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Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
Leonard ran for 900+ yards and was their short yardage back for all intents and purposes. He was a battering ram for them and was made more effective because he allowed them an extra blocker. Not having a player to replace his production/style of play eliminates a huge portion of what made their offense effective and efficient.
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Which basically means they played according to the strength they had at qb.
And that means we shouldn’t expect the same offense.
But it doesn’t mean they’re gonna completely abandon the run game or qb runs. It’s what they were successful at. And it also doesn’t meant their qb can’t throw based on camp reports.

But for people in here to say they’re gonna suck because they don’t have a qb that runs like Leonard is short sighted.
Your basically saying that their oc can’t adapt or their qb is pure cheeks
I just have a hard time believing that staff botched the qb for position and only had a stable of 3 dudes that sck.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
Said it in several threads. Denbrock’s last 3 teams, the QB has led the team in rushing attempts. That isn’t happening this year. Will they be as efficient on offense? Stay tuned.
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It sort of reminds me of Urban Meyer’s team post Tebow. John Brantley was a composite 5 star recruit. In two years of mop up duty, he completed about 70% of his passes for around 650 yards and a 10/0 TD/INT ratio.he wasn’t a runner but he was a far better passer than Tebow and all Urban had to do was adjust his scheme to better accommodate a pocket passer and Florida was going to keep competing for championships.

Urban’s offense collapsed with a a quarterback who rushed for -100 yards on the season. Florida went 8-5. Meyer faked a heart attack and the gators have sucked balls ever since.

Never assume a coach, no matter how successful, can drastically alter his scheme and system.

Notre Dame’s entire offensive identity revolved around Riley Leonard carrying the ball and to an extent, the entire offense.
 
NDfan said:
Yes, they told Angeli that he was #3 after Spring and he should start looking if he wanted to start somewhere.
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I don't deny he was TOLD THAT.

And I don't believe it was an honest statement, based on his play over his time at Notre Dame. Just be honest and stop bull****ting, Carr is being elevated due to his recruiting ranking and potential, and NOT because he was head-and-shoulders above any other QB on the roster.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I don't deny he was TOLD THAT.

And I don't believe it was an honest statement, based on his play over his time at Notre Dame. Just be honest and stop bull****ting, Carr is being elevated due to his recruiting ranking and potential, and NOT because
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Carr is definitely head and shoulders above the other two. I think Minchey is solid also. They were both clearly better than Angeli, to be honest. Much more talented. If you think Coach Freeman cares about recruiting rankings or pure potential, you don't know Coach Free. That being said, Carr should be just fine. I am optimistic going into the season with Carr. Admittedly, games 1 and 2 will be tough ones to start with.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
I don't deny he was TOLD THAT.

And I don't believe it was an honest statement, based on his play over his time at Notre Dame. Just be honest and stop bull****ting, Carr is being elevated due to his recruiting ranking and potential, and NOT because he was head-and-shoulders above any other QB on the roster.
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There’s also the NIL package he got to sign with ND. Boosters may want to see what their investment is worth.
 
pacusmc said:
Which basically means they played according to the strength they had at qb.
And that means we shouldn’t expect the same offense.
But it doesn’t mean they’re gonna completely abandon the run game or qb runs. It’s what they were successful at. And it also doesn’t meant their qb can’t throw based on camp reports.

But for people in here to say they’re gonna suck because they don’t have a qb that runs like Leonard is short sighted.
Your basically saying that their oc can’t adapt or their qb is pure cheeks
I just have a hard time believing that staff botched the qb for position and only had a stable of 3 dudes that sck.
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ND has pretty much botched QB for 25 yrs just like us. Their 2000s mount Rushmore is Brady Quinn and a bunch of trash
 
NDfan said:
Carr is definitely head and shoulders above the other two. I think Minchey is solid also. They were both clearly better than Angeli, to be honest. Much more talented. If you think Coach Freeman cares about recruiting rankings or pure potential, you don't know Coach Free. That being said, Carr should be just fine. I am optimistic going into the season with Carr. Admittedly, games 1 and 2 will be tough ones to start with.
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Based on what? His high school stats show him having progressively more interceptions. He didn’t run much. He didn’t do anything last season. Were you at all the camp practices? If not, everything you wrote is wishful thinking. You’re just trusting recruiting assessments.
 
pacusmc said:
Which basically means they played according to the strength they had at qb.
And that means we shouldn’t expect the same offense.
But it doesn’t mean they’re gonna completely abandon the run game or qb runs. It’s what they were successful at. And it also doesn’t meant their qb can’t throw based on camp reports.

But for people in here to say they’re gonna suck because they don’t have a qb that runs like Leonard is short sighted.
Your basically saying that their oc can’t adapt or their qb is pure cheeks
I just have a hard time believing that staff botched the qb for position and only had a stable of 3 dudes that sck.
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i can't speak for anyone else, but i personally said they're a good team as the first sentence on the first post of this thread ... my point was that they rode riley leonard ... now he's gone and they've replaced him with a far less mobile guy who happens to be a redshirt frosh ... don't believe me ... watch

 
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ageezy said:


nd is good team so no shade ... but to act as if they're gonna easily replace riley leonard is a stretch ... he was their offense ... oline look better when you have a mobile qb ... they're now faced with a more traditional approach ... with a guy that hasn't taken a college snap ... cmon now
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1000%. I got tired of the rhetoric from the media and ND fans about their running game. Leonard was the 2nd leading rusher on the team with 906 yards. ND fans think those yards are going to be absorbed by their 2 RBs Love and Price. The carries, yes The results, maybe not.

I looked at ND's running game against top 40 run defenses. I didn't want to waste time at irrelevant stats against Army, Navy, Miami(OH), Northern Illinois, etc.

This is what I found: In the CFP, Love and Price had 29 and 31 carries each for a total of 60 carries in 4 games. Of those 60 carries, they had ONLY 3 runs of 10 yards or more. Love had a 98 yard TD against Indiana. Price had a 20-yard run against Indiana and a 12-yard run against Penn State. That's it for their post season. They were basically shut down outside of those 3 runs for the entire CFP.

Indiana, Ohio State, and Penn State were top 10 run defenses. Georgia was 36th.

Against ACC foes FSU, GT, and Louisville, Love averaged 2.1, 2.6, and 3.1 yards per attempt. FSU was 106th against the run. GT 30th, and Louisville 40th. For reference, Miami was 19th.

Love had only 1 run of 10 yards or more against top 40 defenses. Price had a few more. What the stats tell you is that, although they are explosive RBs, the big runs are rare against to 40 run defenses and their 7 yrd/att averages were padded against weaker run defenses outside of the top 40.
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Leonard really was a huge part in the ND run game. They are not going to be able to replace that production simply by giving Love and Price more carries. It's a different dynamic with the QB run. You have one less defender to account for and the read option makes defenders play slower with deception of who has the ball. That all goes away.

By all indications, Minchey actually won the QB battle and the coaches were torn on who they wanted as the starter. It's been said that Freeman wanted Minchey, but OC Denbrock wanted Carr because Carr has the vertical passing game and a higher ceiling.

We know Carr has been named the starter. It's clear what ND wants to do with their offense. They want the vertical passing game to keep safeties out of the box to open up their running game. Without safety help, they expect to have more explosive runs and larger gaines in general. It may work, but I expect some growing pains. They could see more turnovers and a lot of 3rd and longs from incomplete vertical passes on 1st and 2nd downs. I don't expect much of a vertical passing game against Miami unless Denbrock really trusts Carr. they will take a few shots, but I think they will script some easy throws and rely on their running game to create 3rd and short situations. Miami's job is to put ND in 3rd & long and make Carr uncomfortable.

I think Minchey will play with certain packages and if Carr struggles.
 
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Pay attention to ND’s Defense, don’t believe they lost too many players.
They look solid and will bring pressure.
 
pacusmc said:
Which basically means they played according to the strength they had at qb.
And that means we shouldn’t expect the same offense.
But it doesn’t mean they’re gonna completely abandon the run game or qb runs. It’s what they were successful at. And it also doesn’t meant their qb can’t throw based on camp reports.

But for people in here to say they’re gonna suck because they don’t have a qb that runs like Leonard is short sighted.
Your basically saying that their oc can’t adapt or their qb is pure cheeks
I just have a hard time believing that staff botched the qb for position and only had a stable of 3 dudes that sck.
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who is saying they’re gonna suck?

Caping for ND to this extreme is pretty weird

Like ya bro they’re ranked #6 and favored against us. They made the championship game. They’re good

The **** are you getting worked up about
 
I turned on the TV a day or two ago and the channel was on ACC Network randomly showing the Miami v NC State 2004 game. We were up by 3 scores so Coker did what Coker always did and started to run the ball straight up the gut. NC State knew it was coming.

Our RBs were Tyrone Moss and HOF, one of the best RBs in the history of the game, Frank Gore. Both got stuffed repeatedly. They maybe gained 10-15 yards on 10-15 carries late in the second half. Punt, punt, punt, run out the clock. ******* Coker smh.

My point is simple. You can have one of the greatest RBs in the history of the game as your RB, and if a good defense knows he's getting the ball, they're going to stop him. I think Love is the real deal, he is a very good back. The others are very good, too. But I think we stop them all because Carr is not going to be able to throw the ball despite us going man coverage with a single high safety. And Carr is also not a true runner. ND is one dimensional. We'll load the box and control the LOS.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
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canefan96 said:
Pay attention to ND’s Defense, don’t believe they lost too many players.
They look solid and will bring pressure.
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i made it about riley leonard, but i've looked on that too ... they have two nice corners ... they lost a big time safety and linebacker ... they were their top tacklers ... their top tackling dlineman went to the league, he also led them in sacks ... they're replacing some top guys ... they also aren't the biggest up front ... one of their starters is sub 300lbs ... they have flaws, the question is can we exploit them
 
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NDfan said:
Carr is definitely head and shoulders above the other two. I think Minchey is solid also. They were both clearly better than Angeli, to be honest. Much more talented. If you think Coach Freeman cares about recruiting rankings or pure potential, you don't know Coach Free. That being said, Carr should be just fine. I am optimistic going into the season with Carr. Admittedly, games 1 and 2 will be tough ones to start with.
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You're kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth with this statement.

Cast is head and shoulders above the rest and doesn't care about rankings and same with Minchey, yet last yet he has Angeli above both as QB2?

Like he may well be, but don't start talking like a blind follower like he is this prophecy of a coach who never makes a depth chart that politically motivated.

I watched Rudy! They had a walk on the team only because of his father!
 
Arehel said:
You're kind of talking out of both sides of your mouth with this statement.

Cast is head and shoulders above the rest and doesn't care about rankings and same with Minchey, yet last yet he has Angeli above both as QB2?

Like he may well be, but don't start talking like a blind follower like he is this prophecy of a coach who never makes a depth chart that politically motivated.

I watched Rudy! They had a walk on the team only because of his father!
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Carr was better last year, just injured. I like Angeli, but he just doesn't have the arm strength and hangs onto the ball too long. I do think Angeli was ahead of Minchey last year, but Minchey passed him in the spring. ND told the QB's that they were going to have to go with the top 2 to get the majority of the fall camp reps. After spring, they chose Carr and Minchey over Angeli for the top 2 spots. Steve then started looking around and found a good spot in Syracuse a couple weeks later.

Minchey is solid, but CJ has better command of the offense, has a much stronger arm, and is very accurate. Minchey doesn't attack downfield as much. That's one thing that is concerning. CJ is very accurate and has a strong arm, so sometimes he is too aggressive at throwing it into tight windows.
 
We need a shipping container full of Pantene Pro-V. The amount of hair-splitting going on here is absolutely out of control. 8/31 can't come quickly enough.
 
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