Richt on the qb order

[Salt]

Pure speculation: But I am buying short stock in williams and investing long in perry. Sold all rosier stock after acccg.

maybe have Weldon as a hedge about 10% of your qb portfolio. I'd probably go Williams long and Perry short, but that's just me. Fundamentals on Williams stock are stronger than Perry's long-term. Would have sold Rosier stock after Pitt and especially after Clemson.

 

[Combo]

I think QBs today jump to fast. Kosar took a shirt while Vinny backed up Kelly and Mark. Next Year Kosar wins NC and Vinny gets shirt. Vinny sticks with The U, plays in to NC games, wins the Heisman, and goes 1st in NFL draft. Mark stayed behind Kelly and ends up HC at major SEC school and then gets the job that really matters -- HC here.

I understand if you are buried at 4th or 5th string and in 2nd or 3rd year, but with injuries coming as they do, why not stick around the place you picked. Mark needs to keep Rosier on the farm regardless of what people here think or say. Kid gave Mark HIS best start ever -- 10 - 0 and won our 1st Coastal title. You have to keep a senior like that even if you know another will get the starting position at some point in the season. What needs to happen is we need to have some blowouts so the the young qbs get live fire time. So if Rosier craps the floor we don't send in someone like a deer in the headlights.

Wow! Four guys on the QB depth chart and all became multi-millionaires. If I'm Richt, I point out that story to every QB we're recruiting. And if I'm recruiting RBs, I point out Portis, McGahee, and Gore all on the same team. Miami has SO much to sell to recruits.

 

[9oh4Cane]

Pure speculation: But I am buying short stock in williams and investing long in perry. Sold all rosier stock after acccg.

Yikes, should've sold rosier stock after PITT game, hope you still came away in the green. I'm long Williams and short Perry. I've been critical of Perry long before Williams was in the picture and nobody wanted to hear it. From someone who is familiar with the QB position, Williams is far more natural as a passer, reads the field well, and flicks the ball downfield with a very smooth/quick release. Perry aint bad but I truly think Williams will be the next great one for us.

For the record, I'm not switching from the "Perry train" to the "Williams train" because I was never on the Perry train (however he is an upgrade over Rosier). It doesn't take a rocket scientist to be able to tell that Williams is a far greater and college ready prospect.
I know some folks on here have compared Perry to Watson.. to me thats a terrible comparison. Watsons style of play really mirrors Williams, whereas Perry's reminds of a Winston type

 

[SWFLSWAGG17]

I’m on the Jarren Williams train. Think he’s going to be a special special player for us. Will be the guy that takes us to the promise land.

Until next year when the M. Johnson hype train comes in.... Then the next year when Richt nephew Max comes and on and on.

 

[CanefaninBuckeyeland]

It’s interesting how so many people can predict the future with nothing more than their confirmation bias. Has Malik reached his ceiling?; is Perry a bust already?; is Williams the savior? None of us really know. I personally don’t care who the trigger man is as long as we win every single game next year. I get the impression that some of you are more interested in being right than having a successful season (which, despite the poor finish, average qb, and a ton of injuries, last year was successful).

 

[Loose Cannon]

LOL just like they shattered Lamar Jackson?

Nkosi got that Remember the Titans Sunshine agility.

" Let em thru "

I don't see Nkosi taking many clean shots to get "shattered"

Every man, no matter size, has a way to defend himself.

I think it's pretty clear that if N'kosi Perry resembled Lamar Jackson in any football related attribute we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Lamar Jackson has enough pure athleticism to overcome his shortcomings regarding being able to read a defense. N'kosi Perry doesn't have the athletic ability to firmly separate himself from Cade Weldon.

 

[Wash140in60]

maybe have Weldon as a hedge about 10% of your qb portfolio. I'd probably go Williams long and Perry short, but that's just me. Fundamentals on Williams stock are stronger than Perry's long-term. Would have sold Rosier stock after Pitt and especially after Clemson.

Outstanding analysis. Glad we were able to cash in the Rosier dividends before the value tanked.

 

[Salt]

Outstanding analysis. Glad we were able to cash in the Rosier dividends before the value tanked.

meh, you never know. Crazy qb market right now.

 

[Calinative]

I could care less which Freshman QB wins the job. Ppl are counting out Weldon when the fact is Spring doesn't even matter all that much compared to the competition in the summer. By EVERY account Rosier was trash in the Spring (which is why everyone said he'd never start here), then in the summer he performed equally as well as Perry, and slightly won the competition. I wouldn't crown ANYONE QB until August.

All I will say is Our QB should not in any way be Malik Rosier. I literally don't care if he "slightly wins" the competition again. Only way in **** he should start another game for us is if he absolutely dominates the **** out of summer and the freshman blow.

 

[Canezum5]

I think it's pretty clear that if N'kosi Perry resembled Lamar Jackson in any football related attribute we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Lamar Jackson has enough pure athleticism to overcome his shortcomings regarding being able to read a defense. N'kosi Perry doesn't have the athletic ability to firmly separate himself from Cade Weldon.

I completely disagree.

You only know that because Petrino threw him to the wolves to learn on the fly.

It clearly worked for him. Who is to say it cant work for Nkosi just because Richt has not done it? I don't think any of us can truly speculate on what Nkosi does or doesn't know about reading a defense AT THIS POINT.

Nkosi may not be as fast as Lamar but he is definitely as quick and has just as good peripheral vision and pocket awareness.

Youre making to bold a statement for someone who doesn't coach the QBs themselves. youre too smart to get caught up in all of the coach speak and snippet dissection.

For all you know Nkosi is far and away the leader of the QB race and Richt isn't sharing that cuz he wants to keep him focused and he also doesn't want his competition to transfer out. No one really knows.

 

[Loose Cannon]

I completely disagree.

You only know that because Petrino threw him to the wolves to learn on the fly.

It clearly worked for him. Who is to say it cant work for Nkosi just because Richt has not done it? I don't think any of us can truly speculate on what Nkosi does or doesn't know about reading a defense AT THIS POINT.

Nkosi may not be as fast as Lamar but he is definitely as quick and has just as good peripheral vision and pocket awareness.

Youre making to bold a statement for someone who doesn't coach the QBs themselves. youre too smart to get caught up in all of the coach speak and snippet dissection.

For all you know Nkosi is far and away the leader of the QB race and Richt isn't sharing that cuz he wants to keep him focused and he also doesn't want his competition to transfer out. No one really knows.

I'm making a bold statement?! You're comparing a guy whom you've never seen take a live snap to a Heisman Trophy winner. You don't "throw a guy to the wolves" and hope you have a Heisman Trophy. This may have been the dumbest statement I've ever seen posted on this board, and that is saying a lot. Bobby Petrino did not become head football coach at a Power 5 Division-I program by making stupid decisions like just throw a guy out there and see what happens. At this level, you better ******* know something about what you're doing and better be able to explain why you did it.

 

[Canezum5]

I'm making a bold statement?! You're comparing a guy whom you've never seen take a live snap to a Heisman Trophy winner. You don't "throw a guy to the wolves" and hope you have a Heisman Trophy. This may have been the dumbest statement I've ever seen posted on this board, and that is saying a lot. Bobby Petrino did not become head football coach at a Power 5 Division-I program by making stupid decisions like just throw a guy out there and see what happens. At this level, you better ******* know something about what you're doing and better be able to explain why you did it.

Petrino has never been an RPO/ zone read coach. ever. He is a true tactician of offense and quarterbacking. Lamar Jackson fits no mold he has ever coached. Mentally or physically.

Petrino was platooning because of Lamars inability to pick up the offense in the way Petrino wanted but he was way too dynamic of an athlete to keep of the field so he was willing to stick with the growing pains.

Im comparing a similar attribute that can show up in both players high school film. that's it. You're going way too far in the whole " comparing to a Heisman winner".

Its 2 attributes, peripheral vision and agility in the pocket. two things that show up on both highly touted QBs high school tape.

Bobby Petrion became a successful coach because he is willing to adapt and scrap his decades of experience for a unique talent like Lamar.

Bobby didn't know if lamar would be Heisman or not. No one knew. He just wanted to win football games. The rest was just the ending result.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Petrino has never been an RPO/ zone read coach. ever. He is a true tactician of offense and quarterbacking. Lamar Jackson fits no mold he has ever coached. Mentally or physically.

Petrino was platooning because of Lamars inability to pick up the offense in the way Petrino wanted but he was way too dynamic of an athlete to keep of the field so he was willing to stick with the growing pains.

Im comparing a similar attribute that can show up in both players high school film. that's it. You're going way too far in the whole " comparing to a Heisman winner".

Its 2 attributes, peripheral vision and agility in the pocket. two things that show up on both highly touted QBs high school tape.

Bobby Petrion became a successful coach because he is willing to adapt and scrap his decades of experience for a unique talent like Lamar.

Bobby didn't know if lamar would be Heisman or not. No one knew. He just wanted to win football games. The rest was just the ending result.

I've seen many reports that Cade Weldon is more athletic and more dynamic than Nkosi Perry. Petrino was platooning because he did not have a returning Senior coming off a 10 win season, a berth in the conference championship, and a NY6 appearance. He was platooning because even WITH a Heisman Trophy winner under center Louisville is an 8-5, 9-4, 8-5 team. He's platooning because he can. He's platooning because 8-5 and a losing effort in the Belk Bowl is acceptable at Louisville. We would fire Richt if at the end of three seasons, a 9-4 record with a win in the Music City bowl was his best season. We won 10 games last year. We're not about to "throw Perry to the wolves" and hope for the best. We're likely going to be favored in at least 10, if not all, of our games. Only an absolute idiot would gamble with an unknown quantity.

 

[Canezum5]

I've seen many reports that Cade Weldon is more athletic and more dynamic than Nkosi Perry. Petrino was platooning because he did not have a returning Senior coming off a 10 win season, a berth in the conference championship, and a NY6 appearance. He was platooning because even WITH a Heisman Trophy winner under center Louisville is an 8-5, 9-4, 8-5 team. He's platooning because he can. He's platooning because 8-5 and a losing effort in the Belk Bowl is acceptable at Louisville. We would fire Richt if at the end of three seasons, a 9-4 record with a win in the Music City bowl was his best season. We won 10 games last year. We're not about to "throw Perry to the wolves" and hope for the best. We're likely going to be favored in at least 10, if not all, of our games. Only an absolute idiot would gamble with an unknown quantity.

We will have to agree to disagree on Petrino then cause I think its quite obvious why he was platooning and that's because of Lamar Jackson being a green af but too dynamic to keep off the field.

Same way Saban threw a true freshman to the wolves in a title game. great coaches adapt and make unorthodox decisions to win.


As far as Cade Weldon goes, he may be more athletic. but im talking about peripheral vision and pocket agility. Tom Brady is elite with those two attributes with little to know athleticism.

Show me Cade Weldon doing this in the pocket.

Elite level quickness and awareness.

https://247sports.com/college/miami/Bolt/WATCH-NKosi-Perry-Jukes-Defender-in-Scrimmage-106332086

 

[Loose Cannon]

We will have to agree to disagree on Petrino then cause I think its quite obvious why he was platooning and that's because of Lamar Jackson being a green af but too dynamic to keep off the field.

Same way Saban threw a true freshman to the wolves in a title game. great coaches adapt and make unorthodox decisions to win.


As far as Cade Weldon goes, he may be more athletic. but im talking about peripheral vision and pocket agility. Tom Brady is elite with those two attributes with little to know athleticism.

Show me Cade Weldon doing this in the pocket.

Elite level quickness and awareness.

https://247sports.com/college/miami/Bolt/WATCH-NKosi-Perry-Jukes-Defender-in-Scrimmage-106332086

2 things:

1. Darrion Owens was not good enough to play here. He managed 41 tackles in 4 years and transferred back to G5 Houston to be with Dorito.
2. Owens had contain on that play. Perry stepped up into a clean pocket and instead of looking down field decided to run INTO the contain man.

You see elite quickness. I see a ****-poor decision meeting a LB who transferred because he was about to lose his spot on 2nd string. Had Perry met actual elite talent on that play, say an LB like Roquan Smith, Howard Landry, or Tremaine Edmunds, we could have just put a head stone in that spot because Perry would have been killed.

 

[Milkcane]

We will have to agree to disagree on Petrino then cause I think its quite obvious why he was platooning and that's because of Lamar Jackson being a green af but too dynamic to keep off the field.

Same way Saban threw a true freshman to the wolves in a title game. great coaches adapt and make unorthodox decisions to win.


As far as Cade Weldon goes, he may be more athletic. but im talking about peripheral vision and pocket agility. Tom Brady is elite with those two attributes with little to know athleticism.

Show me Cade Weldon doing this in the pocket.

Elite level quickness and awareness.

https://247sports.com/college/miami/Bolt/WATCH-NKosi-Perry-Jukes-Defender-in-Scrimmage-106332086

Show me too. In fact Richt said last year that Perry Is the type that can take it 60 yds for a score and Weldon doesn't have that ability.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Show me too. In fact Richt said last year that Perry Is the type that can take it 60 yds for a score and Weldon doesn't have that ability.

I don't want, nor do we need a qb who has the legs to take it 60 yards. I need a qb who has the brains and ability to read the defense and distribute the ball to one of our numerous weapons, of which are all more athletic than Perry. Ball in his hands past the LOS, do you want that guy to be:
a. Nkosi Perry
b. Ahmmon Richards
c. Jeff Thomas
d. Mike Harley
e. Travis Homer
f. DeeJay Dallas
g. Lorenzo Lingard

The play above is a prime example of why I believe Perry isn't already QB#1. He decided to run as soon as his back foot hit the top of his drop. He never once looked down field. He ran out of a clean pocket in less than two seconds INTO the only defender on the field directly responsible for the QB. It was only luck that that guy happened to be Darrion Owens.

 

[Cribby]

Show me too. In fact Richt said last year that Perry Is the type that can take it 60 yds for a score and Weldon doesn't have that ability.

Richt and multiple coaches have said Weldon is the best athlete at qb. Kosi is not faster than Weldon

 

[Milkcane]

Richt and multiple coaches have said Weldon is the best athlete at qb. Kosi is not faster than Weldon

That does not mean dynamic. Straight line speed and quickness plus the ability to make people miss are totally different things.

“There are two kinds of quarterbacks,” St. Louis said. “There’s the ones that run whenever they want to and run when they have to. With him, he’s the kind of quarterback that can run whenever he wants to and he can run when he has to.”
During a recent workout, Perry dropped a few jaws when he caused a blitzing cornerback to fall with a juke move and raced down the field for a large gain. St. Louis refused to name the defender, but the play has provided plenty of laughter throughout the offseason.
“The corner just fell down and he just took off,” St. Louis said. “I was like, `****.’ I said, yeah, I’m glad we got that on tape.”

 

[Milkcane]

I don't want, nor do we need a qb who has the legs to take it 60 yards. I need a qb who has the brains and ability to read the defense and distribute the ball to one of our numerous weapons, of which are all more athletic than Perry. Ball in his hands past the LOS, do you want that guy to be:
a. Nkosi Perry
b. Ahmmon Richards
c. Jeff Thomas
d. Mike Harley
e. Travis Homer
f. DeeJay Dallas
g. Lorenzo Lingard

The play above is a prime example of why I believe Perry isn't already QB#1. He decided to run as soon as his back foot hit the top of his drop. He never once looked down field. He ran out of a clean pocket in less than two seconds INTO the only defender on the field directly responsible for the QB. It was only luck that that guy happened to be Darrion Owens.

Just keep watching, you'll see he has plenty of both.