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Richardson... Another gator bust

LuCane said:
I closely followed them last year. He is an absolutely atrocious QB. **** of a thrower. He automatically puts you at a handicap. I bet his offensive teammates are secretly elated - even if they have to deal with Daniel Jones.
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Still the bad long term decision. There is no future in Daniel Jones, period. I mean what hes a ever so slightly higher floor/more consistent AR? Like what the thought is maybe Jones can get them to playoffs while AR can't? But then what? They're in the AFC. What is Jones gonna do for you against Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes?

It seems simple to me. In the NFL you need to take every shot you can at securing a top 10 QB. It will take a lot of swings. What doesn't make literally any sense is taking a swing and not following through literally at all. Securing the 32-36th best QB in the league like Jones may be is useless. Sure Likely AR will be worse. But what if a full season of starting experience ends with him being viewed like top 20 by the end of the year and hope he can take another step after. cause starting this season would essentially double his actual starting experience including college+NFL so far.

And my problem isn't so much going with someone else over AR, I could see that being a game plan to try to actually develop AR. But to me this screams they are just 100% giving up on him and intend to start Jones all year. THAT is the dumb decision imo.
 
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Kn[]_[]ckles3o5 said:
It crazy. Like these idiots compare his talent to Lamar Jackson, a guy who won the Heisman and carried a mid team to a conference championship. I say it all the time give me production over potential 99 times out of 100.
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Amen.

Zach Wilson, Trey Lance, Jason Campbell, Byron Leftwich, JP Losman and so many more. Yes, bad teams drafting most of them didn't help (and it's why I left David Car off the list), but putting up above average numbers for mid teams or having the ability to throw a football 90 yards does not make an NFL QB.
 
Cribby said:
Once again the worst top five qb I’ve ever seen picked. He did literally nothing special at any level including hs . There’s so much more to qb than height , weight and arm strength.
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check the derrick baker kid at qb in next years class same trjectory to me.
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They rank alot of these kids just off how they look in shirts n shorts.
 
Calinative said:
Yes they’re making short term decision, not actually what is best decision for the franchise. For the franchise the best decision is obviously to give Richardson the experience to see if he can turn himself into something. If you’re going to take major swings on QBs that have talent you have to actually give them the opportunity, period.

And again I don’t think he’s good nor do I think he will end up good. But you have to try. What is even the point of going with Daniel Jones? He offers nothing long term.

If I were Colts GM I never would have signed Daniel Jones. I would have signed one of the old ****** backup ls that suck but are good in film room, like the Titans did
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you cant do the bolded when the other players on your team are there in practice and the guy clearly is better than you. It aint a good look. Thats why they couldnt do it.
 
Calinative said:
Still the bad long term decision. There is no future in Daniel Jones, period. I mean what hes a ever so slightly higher floor/more consistent AR? Like what the thought is maybe Jones can get them to playoffs while AR can't? But then what? They're in the AFC. What is Jones gonna do for you against Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes?

It seems simple to me. In the NFL you need to take every shot you can at securing a top 10 QB. It will take a lot of swings. What doesn't make literally any sense is taking a swing and not following through literally at all. Securing the 32-36th best QB in the league like Jones may be is useless. Sure Likely AR will be worse. But what if a full season of starting experience ends with him being viewed like top 20 by the end of the year and hope he can take another step after. cause starting this season would essentially double his actual starting experience including college+NFL so far.

And my problem isn't so much going with someone else over AR, I could see that being a game plan to try to actually develop AR. But to me this screams they are just 100% giving up on him and intend to start Jones all year. THAT is the dumb decision imo.
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Have seen more of Daniel Jones the last few yrs than care to admit. Saying he is serviceable was a kind gesture. He’s not the long term answer. That said, the people in the building aren’t complete idiots. Jones has a few yrs experience & played in a major media market.
At this point, Indy is desperate to salvage Richardson. Maybe they can’t. They obviously know what he is. But if you start the season with him & pull him midseason, then he’s done - at least in Indy. Maybe he replaces Jones at some pt. & the vibe is better.
 
Calinative said:
I mean he didn’t just have the build. He also has the athleticism. He’s literally the best athlete+build to ever come out at qb.

He sucks, and his probability of hitting was always low. Honestly the jets or rams should trade something cheap for him. You never know what could happen with a guy that inexperienced once he gets some.

If I were the Colts I’d have 100% started him over Daniel Jones. With Jones there’s really no hope he ever becomes a legit starter. With Richardson there’s is
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They're tanking. They don't want the light bulb to come on, that takes them out of the Arch sweepstakes.
 
Brooklyndee said:
I'd make the case emmit shouldn't qualify either. What serviceable running back couldn't have put up numbers on that same team? Offensive line, multiple hall of famers & consistent pro bowlers, QB hall of famer, wr hall of famer and couple consistent pro bowlers when that meant something, fb pro bowler at a position anyone would acknowledge for his job he was one of the best ever, te hall of famer... A defense stacked with hall of famers and pro bowlers... What else you need to be a running back that can stack stats... I'm not saying he wasn't good. Not just gonna blindly hate on his success. But for the people who say his stats speak for themselves, he's one of the best ever, they trippin. Put any of the people who are legit in that conversation on that team and good Lawd it would've been wild personally I think Erict Rhett when he was healthy was a better back from them Fred hands down was 10x the back.
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Imagine if the Lions and Cowboys straight-up traded Barry Sanders for Emmitt Smith in their primes...

What would those career numbers have looked like...
 
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Calinative said:
Still the bad long term decision. There is no future in Daniel Jones, period. I mean what hes a ever so slightly higher floor/more consistent AR? Like what the thought is maybe Jones can get them to playoffs while AR can't? But then what? They're in the AFC. What is Jones gonna do for you against Burrow, Lamar, Allen, Mahomes?

It seems simple to me. In the NFL you need to take every shot you can at securing a top 10 QB. It will take a lot of swings. What doesn't make literally any sense is taking a swing and not following through literally at all. Securing the 32-36th best QB in the league like Jones may be is useless. Sure Likely AR will be worse. But what if a full season of starting experience ends with him being viewed like top 20 by the end of the year and hope he can take another step after. cause starting this season would essentially double his actual starting experience including college+NFL so far.

And my problem isn't so much going with someone else over AR, I could see that being a game plan to try to actually develop AR. But to me this screams they are just 100% giving up on him and intend to start Jones all year. THAT is the dumb decision imo.
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When you’re as bad as AR has been, using an entire team’s season and negatively impacting other people’s livelihoods is a **** of a risk to take with a kid who some have said quit on his team once already. I have no idea if AR will suddenly grow into something he’s never previously shown, but he should likely earn his way there. As others have stated, he was a mid round value who should have spent time on the bench trying to become a professional. Instead, they set him up for failure.
 
LuCane said:
When you’re as bad as AR has been, using an entire team’s season and negatively impacting other people’s livelihoods is a **** of a risk to take with a kid who some have said quit on his team once already. I have no idea if AR will suddenly grow into something he’s never previously shown, but he should likely earn his way there. As others have stated, he was a mid round value who should have spent time on the bench trying to become a professional. Instead, they set him up for failure.
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If AR is a fail or not even getting a chance, why is the GM there or why on earth would he be back and given the keys to select their QB next year in 1st?
If the Coaching staff thinks Daniel Jones is going to be their salvation, they are trippin and will be out next year.
If the fans think there is any hope with Daniel Jones they are trippin. AR will at the very least be more exciting to watch just due to his athleticism and the fact he bombs balls. Jones can run decent but sucks as well. And of course there is hope AR could improve with experience while Jones has the experience and has been crap.
As far as the rest of the teams season and pepoples livelihood... you have a crap QB either way. The best thing for the franchise and it's future is ALL about solving the Qb problem. We know Jones will not be that answer. For as bad as AR has been there is still potential there. Again what the **** was the point of drafting a guy who had no experience but was built like megatron if you aren't going to give him that experience? If the entire idea is just oh lets be bad but not so bad that some guys on the roster can still be respected, thats just a bad strategy. Ultimately everything about this franchise over the next 4+ years will hinge on Anthony Richardson and/or who they draft at QB next year. If I were Colts GM I'd be doing what Brad Pitt did in moneyball - trade away or get rid of the other qbs until the coach starts the guy I want him to start. Thats why I'm saying he shouldn't have even signed Daniel Jones.

Regardless what they did last year to set him up, to me THIS decision isn't setting him up for potential success. Thats my point. This wasn't a decision being made in an attempt to further develop him. To me this decision is literally saying You're on the trade block, you have no future here any more. Like when the Panthers benched Bryce Young I didn't feel they were saying they were definitely done. I think that was a benching to try to clean the slate with the intention of him returning back to the starting lineup. With this situation do you think Daniel Jones is getting benched without getting injured? I don't feel he likely is unless he's absolutely more horrendous than we already know him to be...
 
gogeta4 said:
you cant do the bolded when the other players on your team are there in practice and the guy clearly is better than you. It aint a good look. Thats why they couldnt do it.
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very much doubt he's even clearly better. But yes you can. But what I actually would have done is not have anyone else that is clearly better but has no hope of being more than a 1 yr rental. I'd have had older Qbs with experience who can serve as more of a mentor. Kinda how Flacco was but a guy thats more of a bum who is obviously there just for the young qb. Like a case keenum or boyle type.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Imagine if the Lions and Cowboys straight-up traded Barry Sanders for Emmitt Smith in their primes...

What would those career numbers have looked like...
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Flat out unstoppable. But I'd argue it wouldn't even have to be that extreme to get those same results. I honestly think the same for about ten RB just off the top of my head.
 
Calinative said:
very much doubt he's even clearly better. But yes you can. But what I actually would have done is not have anyone else that is clearly better but has no hope of being more than a 1 yr rental. I'd have had older Qbs with experience who can serve as more of a mentor. Kinda how Flacco was but a guy thats more of a bum who is obviously there just for the young qb. Like a case keenum or boyle type.
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Considering the investment they have in him and how much they stand to lose by continually coddling buddy i'd disagree. But just for dialogues sake other than the age part does Daniel ***** *** Jones not match that description? If I'm a QB and I see the colts bring in Danny pesos as competition I'm licking my chops of what light work that is. Dude just sucks. Has his moments but just like Daniel Jones they are few and far between. If neither were able to scramble and get out of the pocket even the CFL wouldn't want them. I'm not wasting my squad on any of these QBs. The problem fans don't get sometimes is the team isn't just invested in one player. They've gotta have synergy and honest conversation with each player atleast out of your top 2. You can't have a rb like Taylor (just like giants with saquan)and allow your team to be **** because you won't deal with a QB issue. That's what gets gms and corches fired.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
Flat out unstoppable. But I'd argue it wouldn't even have to be that extreme to get those same results. I honestly think the same for about ten RB just off the top of my head.
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Agreed. I picked Barry because he and Emmitt were drafted one year apart, and those Lions teams were just BAD. Saw them twice a year as a Bucs fan (grew up in Orlando).

Barry > Emmitt
 
Brooklyndee said:
Considering the investment they have in him and how much they stand to lose by continually coddling buddy i'd disagree. But just for dialogues sake other than the age part does Daniel ***** *** Jones not match that description? If I'm a QB and I see the colts bring in Danny pesos as competition I'm licking my chops of what light work that is. Dude just sucks. Has his moments but just like Daniel Jones they are few and far between. If neither were able to scramble and get out of the pocket even the CFL wouldn't want them. I'm not wasting my squad on any of these QBs. The problem fans don't get sometimes is the team isn't just invested in one player. They've gotta have synergy and honest conversation with each player atleast out of your top 2. You can't have a rb like Taylor (just like giants with saquan)and allow your team to be **** because you won't deal with a QB issue. That's what gets gms and corches fired.
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Sure but im saying is what the **** was the point in not firing the gm this offseason if you weren't just going to basically force AR to get experieince and see what happens. The fact is he was always a longshot swing that they simply are refusing to actually let swing.

imo building a sustainable longterm successful team is all hingest on getting a good qb.
 
Calinative said:
Sure but im saying is what the **** was the point in not firing the gm this offseason if you weren't just going to basically force AR to get experieince and see what happens. The fact is he was always a longshot swing that they simply are refusing to actually let swing.

imo building a sustainable longterm successful team is all hingest on getting a good qb.
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I mean sure it definitely does hinge on getting that QB. But if you think they haven't gave him the opportunity to prove if he's that QB I would drastically disagree. Buddy has shown twice that he's not capable and he's also gave up on his team. To allow him to still make all that money and have job security to go along with it is absurd in my eyes. Daniel Jones and him are no different they are very much the same quarterback simply one having some melanin. They're both bums neither of them is a long-term fix. But at least Daniel Jones hasn't quit on anybody. **** of a bar to set I guess. Far as the GM goes he's had his moments I guess. But Anthony Richardson sure the **** ain't one of them. Obviously the relationship he has with the owners keep him employed. I would've fired him in 22. But it's hard to see what a team really is if your starting QB is one of these guys
 
Calinative said:
very much doubt he's even clearly better. But yes you can. But what I actually would have done is not have anyone else that is clearly better but has no hope of being more than a 1 yr rental. I'd have had older Qbs with experience who can serve as more of a mentor. Kinda how Flacco was but a guy thats more of a bum who is obviously there just for the young qb. Like a case keenum or boyle type.
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like what my dolphins do every year to preserve tuas confidence?. oh yea **** no.

they are in the worst division in football ....with daniel **** jones they might have a chance....its why ppl think the texans are good...that division is dog doo doo...and im still trying to figure out why they dont edit the divisions putting the dolphins in the afc south and swap indy outta there.
 
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