Rewatching the Pinstripe Bowl from 2023…

This is wild-a$$ hyperbole. John Square and Jamal Green were heavy in the rotation for the '01 team. Nice players but come on. Andrew Williams was good, he's not as good as Bain. And you really think Ohio St wouldn't take Bain and plug him in as a starter in a heartbeat?
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Bain would start at OSU not Mesidor. Problem imo is Bain needs more like him on the DL. That was the promise Mario told him when he recruited him, that he would play with other like him. In another reality let’s say Saban did get him to bama he would be unleashed cause he would be playing along side dogs that would free him up and give him 1v1’s regularly.

He needs help along the entire DL, not just names that we think are great or good.
 
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I’m not sure why we do this. Lol.

Let’s see what Aaron Donald did at Pitt:
51 games:
181 Total Tackles (115 solo)
37% of his Total Tackles were for TFLs
29.5 sacks
6 Forced Fumbles

All Bain needs to do is post 11+ sacks, 60+ tackles, 2+ fumbles, & 20+ TFLs to be on the same trajectory of Aaron Donald this season. 🤷🏾‍♂️
Bain has played 22 collegiate games thus far; 21 if you don't count UF last year. If you extrapolate out Bain's numbers, he would have 25.5 sacks (pause), 155 tackles (86 solo). If you use only Bain's freshman season numbers - you know, when he wasn't hurt - his numbers are almost identical to AD's -29.5 sacks (pause) with 173 tackles. I used this for my stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/rueben-bain-jr-1.html.

That said, I didn't choose Aaron Donald to create this debate. I chose him to make fun of the tweeter guy and AD was clearly an anomaly at the position. However, after doing the math here, I may be on to something and that's without taking into account things like scheme, stunts, snap counts, etc.
 
Bain May not be to off Donald’s Comp.
Wasn’t Donald Raw speed But Quickness & Power with Lever age that Made him a HOF.
Let Bain Develop into his own for a Healthy full season at his Best.
I wasn't really serious about the comp when I posted it, but after some stat shuffling, you might be on to something. I will say though that compiling sack stats at Edge is easier than at DT, hence why Bain and Mesidor are acting like high school wrestlers trying to make weight beofre a match right now. I don't recall Aaron Donald playing much at DE while in school, but I could totally be wrong.
 
Bain and Mesidor would barely be 3rd team at Ohio State or on the 01 team.

Trying to win championships here.
nah, Bain and Mesidor are really good players. You can win with those 2 on the edge, you just need to sprinkle in some speed rushers. I don’t want to see Bain playing DT bc the team needs it like Mesidor did, they aren’t undersize DT. If Bain played DT, which I’m sure could, he would need to be just a regular 6-3 290+ DT. If they are playing DE they need to be anywhere between 270-275lbs.
 
Bain and Mesidor would barely be 3rd team at Ohio State or on the 01 team.

Trying to win championships here.
But But Bain & Mesidor would start for Ohio State in ‘25. A player can have an off year for a Myrid of Reasons.Mesidor was our best player on defense in ‘22 & Bain ‘24.
Sawyer one of those DE that Started didn’t go to High in in the Draft. To say that Bain & Mesidor would be 3 team At Ohio State is not a factual statement by any stretch of the of the imagination.
Don’t crap on Players & then be a fan later.
 
Jesus Christ @Calinative Man U oughtta be ashamed of urself with dat kind of talk! Thanks @TrumpyCane for having ur antennas up (Big Pause)!
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Mario needs Bain to have a monster year and send this kid to the league as a top 2 -3 round pick. If this doesn’t happen then we are in serious trouble.

How JT is still on the staff is crazy work.
 
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Bain has played 22 collegiate games thus far; 21 if you don't count UF last year. If you extrapolate out Bain's numbers, he would have 25.5 sacks (pause), 155 tackles (86 solo). If you use only Bain's freshman season numbers - you know, when he wasn't hurt - his numbers are almost identical to AD's -29.5 sacks (pause) with 173 tackles. I used this for my stats: https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/rueben-bain-jr-1.html.

That said, I didn't choose Aaron Donald to create this debate. I chose him to make fun of the tweeter guy and AD was clearly an anomaly at the position. However, after doing the math here, I may be on to something and that's without taking into account things like scheme, stunts, snap counts, etc.

Brother, respectfully:

When u’re attempting to compare a kid to a once in a generational, exception to the rule type player, u’re opening urself up for scrutiny & backlash.

1. Ruben Bain wishes he was on the spectrum of Donald as far as athleticism. U’re talking about a DT that measured in the “elite category” running a sub 4.7 while benching 225 lbs 35x w **** near 10 inch mits.

2. Ur extrapolation to projection is off. Let’s say Bain played all 13 games last season; based upon his #’s, he would’ve been projected for the following stats:
36.5 Total Tkls / 9.5 TFLs / 5.5 sks. (using an 8 game sample)

In 2 full seasons his numbers would’ve been:
26 games: 80.5 Total Tackles/ 22.5 TFLs / 13 sks / 3 FF

Now let’s compare Donald after 2 full seasons:
26 games: 58 Total Tackles/ 19 TFLs / 13 sks / 1 FF

Now on the surface, it’s like “see, this is y Bain compared to Donald is a good comp.” Welllllllll, there’s one glaring issue:
Bain started 12 of the 13 games he played his true freshman year, while Donald didn’t start until his true sophomore year.

So although Bain had a head start on snap counts vs. Donald, Donald’s projections surpassed him. In other words, Bain’s 4-yr body of work falls short of Donald’s 3-yr body of work as their careers progress.

So let’s extend this out & project Bain to play the same total amount of games as Donald (51):

Bain: 51 g: 161 total tackles / 45 TFLs / 26 sks / 6 FF
Donald: 51 g: 181 total tackles / 67 TFLs / 29.5 sks / 6 FF

% of plays behind L.O.S: Bain: 28%
% of plays behind L.O.S: Donald: 37%

This type of production + off the charts athleticism have lent Donald to be in the convo of GOAT DTs in NFL history.

Instead of comparing Bain to Donald in respects to tweeners, the better comparison should’ve been another So. Fla player that played at Pitt, Calijah Kancey, who also happened to be a 1st Rounder.

They’ve put up similar stats as starters, & Kancey really asserted himself in his 2nd yr w/ Tampa Bay. They also have similar builds, as well. If Bain can produce like he did his true frosh yr, then he can position himself as a 3 & done. Even though Kancey technically played 4 yrs at Pitt, he started only 2.5 of those 4 yrs.
 
Brother, respectfully:

When u’re attempting to compare a kid to a once in a generational, exception to the rule type player, u’re opening urself up for scrutiny & backlash.

1. Ruben Bain wishes he was on the spectrum of Donald as far as athleticism. U’re talking about a DT that measured in the “elite category” running a sub 4.7 while benching 225 lbs 35x w **** near 10 inch mits.

2. Ur extrapolation to projection is off. Let’s say Bain played all 13 games last season; based upon his #’s, he would’ve been projected for the following stats:
36.5 Total Tkls / 9.5 TFLs / 5.5 sks. (using an 8 game sample)

In 2 full seasons his numbers would’ve been:
26 games: 80.5 Total Tackles/ 22.5 TFLs / 13 sks / 3 FF

Now let’s compare Donald after 2 full seasons:
26 games: 58 Total Tackles/ 19 TFLs / 13 sks / 1 FF

Now on the surface, it’s like “see, this is y Bain compared to Donald is a good comp.” Welllllllll, there’s one glaring issue:
Bain started 12 of the 13 games he played his true freshman year, while Donald didn’t start until his true sophomore year.

So although Bain had a head start on snap counts vs. Donald, Donald’s projections surpassed him. In other words, Bain’s 4-yr body of work falls short of Donald’s 3-yr body of work as their careers progress.

So let’s extend this out & project Bain to play the same total amount of games as Donald (51):

Bain: 51 g: 161 total tackles / 45 TFLs / 26 sks / 6 FF
Donald: 51 g: 181 total tackles / 67 TFLs / 29.5 sks / 6 FF

% of plays behind L.O.S: Bain: 28%
% of plays behind L.O.S: Donald: 37%

This type of production + off the charts athleticism have lent Donald to be in the convo of GOAT DTs in NFL history.

Instead of comparing Bain to Donald in respects to tweeners, the better comparison should’ve been another So. Fla player that played at Pitt, Calijah Kancey, who also happened to be a 1st Rounder.

They’ve put up similar stats as starters, & Kancey really asserted himself in his 2nd yr w/ Tampa Bay. They also have similar builds, as well. If Bain can produce like he did his true frosh yr, then he can position himself as a 3 & done. Even though Kancey technically played 4 yrs at Pitt, he started only 2.5 of those 4 yrs.
I get all that. I’m not going to wrestle with you over the numbers because I know better. AD was the first name that came to mind when I was making a snarky comment originally.

I don’t really think Bain is AD 2.0. I think IF he is healthy and returns to form this fall, he’s a solid NFL player for 5-10 years. To what level, God only knows.
 
Respectfully, re-watching the 2023 pinstripe bowl is a level of sicko that must be respected or investigated by the authorities.

I love all of you sick SOBs on this site. We're all going to die - hope they play this **** at our funerals. GoCanes.
 
Agree

Bain would start at OSU not Mesidor. Problem imo is Bain needs more like him on the DL. That was the promise Mario told him when he recruited him, that he would play with other like him. In another reality let’s say Saban did get him to bama he would be unleashed cause he would be playing along side dogs that would free him up and give him 1v1’s regularly.

He needs help along the entire DL, not just names that we think are great or good.
I don't know who is gonna develop vs. bust but IIRC 247 said the Justin Scott class was the best DL class in the country for that year so there should be some dudes.

I think a simpler defense with DL pinning their ears back instead of doing pass coverage, and with better DB talent behind them, is going to unlock the DL group and have them looking like they are supposed to look.
 
I don't know who is gonna develop vs. bust but IIRC 247 said the Justin Scott class was the best DL class in the country for that year so there should be some dudes.

I think a simpler defense with DL pinning their ears back instead of doing pass coverage, and with better DB talent behind them, is going to unlock the DL group and have them looking like they are supposed to look.
Let’s hope they were the best DL class. Usually when they say that before they play it’s usually not. Someone else probably had a better hit rate that cycle. Let’s see them on the field first so I can believe it was the best DL class
 
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…and I’m reminded of how dominant Rueben Bain can be. He completely wrecked the game, commanded double teams and played with unreal power against the run and pass.

If this team is going to turn the page on defense, Bain needs to be that guy again.
Correction* Bain needs to be better than that guy! Be the best DE in the country
 
…and I’m reminded of how dominant Rueben Bain can be. He completely wrecked the game, commanded double teams and played with unreal power against the run and pass.

If this team is going to turn the page on defense, Bain needs to be that guy again.

Is he still fat and injured?
 
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