Rewatched the UNC game

[Cane Dynasty]

What is the no play action, pulling a lineman in pass protect called?

I'm dyin ova hea.

A molly block. Some also refer to it as a sink to swivel.

No. I'm not talking about a henway or a dikfer. This is closer to a left handed smoke shifter. Maybe a slimjab but that's taking it to the extreme.

 

[Supercane85]

A few thoughts:

- We ran a ton of 12 and 22 personnel. About a month ago, WestEndZone told me that he felt we played best with two tight ends on the field. Coley must've seen the same thing, because we've been heavy with Dobard and Walford lately. Both guys are big and powerful at the point of attack while still being receiving threats, and it's no coincidence we've been so successful running the ball with them on the field. I'd like this trend to continue against FSU.

I'm curious if this is the case because that's when we're actually focused and patient with there run, or if it's a matter of execution. Because we run great stuff out of 3WR sets, too. But, we happen to have a tendency to lose focus, attempt to be clever, and end up disjointed. As another offering of support to my curiosity, we also look great when we play with a FB and TE - even out of the Gun. The common denominator in those scenarios is that we tend to go to those sets when Coley is on "we're going to run the ****ing ball" mode. It happened a number of times last year - GTech and NC being two prominent examples.

To be clear, I'm not denying we're great in those sets, but rather that it *may* be a result of a clear identity with an emphasis on patience, as opposed to a schematic advantage.

It depends o our defense getting stops. If we are getting shredded we go with the Air assault.

 

[LuCane]

A few thoughts:

- We ran a ton of 12 and 22 personnel. About a month ago, WestEndZone told me that he felt we played best with two tight ends on the field. Coley must've seen the same thing, because we've been heavy with Dobard and Walford lately. Both guys are big and powerful at the point of attack while still being receiving threats, and it's no coincidence we've been so successful running the ball with them on the field. I'd like this trend to continue against FSU.

I'm curious if this is the case because that's when we're actually focused and patient with there run, or if it's a matter of execution. Because we run great stuff out of 3WR sets, too. But, we happen to have a tendency to lose focus, attempt to be clever, and end up disjointed. As another offering of support to my curiosity, we also look great when we play with a FB and TE - even out of the Gun. The common denominator in those scenarios is that we tend to go to those sets when Coley is on "we're going to run the ****ing ball" mode. It happened a number of times last year - GTech and NC being two prominent examples.

To be clear, I'm not denying we're great in those sets, but rather that it *may* be a result of a clear identity with an emphasis on patience, as opposed to a schematic advantage.

It depends o our defense getting stops. If we are getting shredded we go with the Air assault.

I think that's a flawed approach. Even if we're down 14 points, we should have an identity. When we try to get too clever and do too much, it actually plays into the opponent's hands - especially if they're already leading. More than that, having the patience to stick with the run game actually helps out our defense. Beyond time of possession, and you can ask this of probably anyone who's ever played defense, it sets a tone for the overall team.

 

[Miami82]

I know certain people are going to chew me up for this but I really, REALLY like Coley as a coach. He has really grown into the position. . But then again I have no idea what that situation is or was, so I'll just assume at this point Coley has been given the keys and is in the drivers seat while Golden is not in the car with him at all so to speak.

As he has proved multiple times at different schools, he has a clear eye for talent and can recruit the **** out of kids. I would put him toe to toe with any other coach in the country for a recruit, the dude just has the "it" factor with high school ball players, and that shows in any interview where a kid is asked about the coaches. If Coley is actively recruiting a kid, the kid is practically drooling over their relationship with Coley before they even step on campus or even commit. So off the field, Coley has the skills a coach needs down pat, and hes continously proving that he is developing the skills he needs to succeed on the field at a high level.Keep in mind this is his first rodeo as a signal caller and while he started out really ****** he has grown into the position and improved week in and week out. I am really curious to truly understand the rumors of Golden trying to get in his way. It seems like he's backed off and let Coley do what he wants from what I can tell

I would bet a lot of money he will be a head coach at a big time program in five years, and I am really starting to hope its our program here at Miami. The guys just a peoples person. He gets it, and understands what a teams culture needs to be... he did a lot of winning up at FSU and even if he wasn't calling the shots he still experienced everything that they had going on up there. I have a ton of confidence that he knows how to lead and will be able to put the necessary coaches in place at the coordinator and position coach levels and give them the tools that they need to succeed by supporting rather than controlling. He will kill it one day soon at the help.

Ok I'll hop off his **** now I'm not sure where that came from

Obviously something drastic changed. We actually have had an offensive identity the last 3 games. The identity many of us were calling for. Running the rock +60% of the time. It wouldn't surprise me to know there was outside input from somewhere.

 

[diminicane]

Where can i rewacht the game? Please

 

[Cane Dynasty]

Where can i rewacht the game? Please

4chan

 

[AUcane]

Fsu's DL is surprisingly not their strength how ballyhooed their guys are. There's no classic FSU speed rush end on that team. Edwards is a DE in a DT's body and featherson is a slim dude. Unless fsu dials up blitzes, I think our OL can hold up. Our offense can move the ball on them - the big issue is how do we stop them?

 

[Rob26480]

ok, I have no shame. What is 12 and 22 personnel?

Lol. You, me, and 99.9% of this board doesn't know what 12 and 22 personal are. I'm glad you manned up and asked.

Full disclosure: I am one of the 99.9%

Didn't read full thread, so SIAP, but the only reason I knew any of this was with this great article that has been posted around over the last week or two. Some good terminology and knowledge in there.

http://smartfootball.com/grab-bag/the-smart-football-glossary#more-4668

 

[badass]

Fsu's DL is surprisingly not their strength how ballyhooed their guys are. There's no classic FSU speed rush end on that team. Edwards is a DE in a DT's body and featherson is a slim dude. Unless fsu dials up blitzes, I think our OL can hold up. Our offense can move the ball on them - the big issue is how do we stop them?

I disagree.

FSU's D-line may not be living up to their potential this year, but they are still very good and if they're up against Feliciano in his second game ever at left tackle and two freshman at other spots on the line they are going to make life very, very difficult.

FSU knows we want to run the ball and on 3rd and long situations they're going to bring the heat. That's why I think our offensive line will be the key to the game.

On defense, FSU is going to score for sure because they are extremely dynamic. But Jameis makes mistakes and forces things (on and off the field)! We have to secure turnovers and then play a perfect game on offense. If we're not +2 or +3 in the turnover margin, we don't really stand a chance.

 

[obcanes]

6.9 per carry in 11 personnel, 7.8 in 12 this year (excluding FAMU).

Both at 8.7 last 3 games, 11 actually a bit more consistent, 12 had a few big plays. 15/37 went 10+ from 11, 12/51 went 10+ from 12.

We're definitely running more from under center than earlier in the year. Probably a bit too much inside zone on under center plays from 11. We almost exclusively run inside zone at the TE in that formation. Hopefully see a nice counter from that against FSU.

Great numbers. You mind posting your numbers after every game. Well help the board see the game objectively and adds more to the discussion.

 

[88]

Is Flowers out for FSU?

 

[obcanes]

Sorry. Just looked back and realized you have. Again great job.

6.9 per carry in 11 personnel, 7.8 in 12 this year (excluding FAMU).

Both at 8.7 last 3 games, 11 actually a bit more consistent, 12 had a few big plays. 15/37 went 10+ from 11, 12/51 went 10+ from 12.

We're definitely running more from under center than earlier in the year. Probably a bit too much inside zone on under center plays from 11. We almost exclusively run inside zone at the TE in that formation. Hopefully see a nice counter from that against FSU.

Great numbers. You mind posting your numbers after every game. Well help the board see the game objectively and adds more to the discussion.

 

[dg151]

http://noonkick.se/2014-north-carolina-at-miami/

 

[BigDikCane]

http://noonkick.se/2014-north-carolina-at-miami/

the vid quits running in the start of the 2nd quarter...

 

[ProjectMKUltra5]

Amazing thread

 

[jerzeycane]

Run the ******* ball until they stop it

 

[The Franchise]

I just watched it for the 7th time, and I still can't convince myself there will be any parallel to what fsu brings and what we'll be faced with on the 15th.

I'm going in for an 8th time Clockwork Orange style with clothes pins prying my eyes open and a vat of eye drops by my side.

 

[Canezum5]

See I want him against Williams or Darby, take those guys out the game at the very least, which will allow Herb and Dorsett more favrable match ups. I think Stacy at the top of his game gives William and Draby all they can handle, I don't think our others guys will really do that. Sure Dorsett is a beast over the top, and may get away with a time or two, but we can't count on that when you have athletes with speed like Darby on him with help over the top from Ramsey. They can be beat, Parker torched them, but we gotta get the most out of our guys, and unfortunately the only guy we have that has the ability to do that consistently is Stacy.

Like you said, I like Stacy in the slot, I like Stacy running deep verticals in the slot, force them to adjust to us and our talent. Also concerning Darby, that dude is a legit 4.3 dude that can cover, but he is soft. We need someone to pop him on a running play, dude is scared of contact. Back to Stacy, I like Stacy in the slot but only if it is effective and early, Im scared that if we put our other 2 guys out wide, PJ and Darby have a field day. Test them deep with Stacy, at least make them account for him. I say Stacy not Dorsett, because Stacy can go up and make a play, Dorsett is more of a guy that slips past your defense than a guy that makes an acrobatic catch.

What you've illustrated and what has been illustrated throughout this thread, is that we've got matchup advantages everywhere. Whether it's Duke vs. their Backers, our TE's against their backers, or our slot against their nickel, we have matchups that Coley needs to take advantage of.

I'm just hoping that Eddie Goldman doesn't start wrecking everything, because Shane McDermott has done terribly against every big time defensive tackle and honestly that's understandable because you can't really do anything about a great DT, but he can't be getting rag dolled. It was Louis Nix in '12. It was Timmy Jernigan and Lawrence-Stample last year. He's got to have a better performance.

Unfortunately Goldman is beasting this year, and Shane is gonna need major help, but I think we can do a decent enough job here where we can still mitigate that. Duke still had near a hundred by the fourth against Timmy and Goldman last year, we can do the **** thing. The kool aid is flowing over here…...

This is why I'm such an advocate of the zone scheme. As much as I love Shane he just isn't good enough to hold the point of attack to allow the guard to pull for those power plays. I don't know how many timed we have to get stuffed on 3rd and short for the staff to realize this.

 

[Canezum5]

A few thoughts:

- We ran a ton of 12 and 22 personnel. About a month ago, WestEndZone told me that he felt we played best with two tight ends on the field. Coley must've seen the same thing, because we've been heavy with Dobard and Walford lately. Both guys are big and powerful at the point of attack while still being receiving threats, and it's no coincidence we've been so successful running the ball with them on the field. I'd like this trend to continue against FSU.

- Trevor Darling is going to be a good one. He got beat a couple times for playing too high, but for the most part he was excellent. He is blessed with long arms and a powerful lower body, and with another year in the weight room he will become a road grader.

- Phillip Dorsett had a great game without catching a ball. Not only did he have a key block on the safety on Duke's 90 yard TD, but he had several other great blocks that sprung the ballcarrier (including on Walford's catch and run). He has worked himself into a complete player who will be a hot commodity in May.

- Kaaya is deadly accurate. His throws to Walford were put in a place where only he could get the football. That's an encouraging sign with the way we've been recruiting big receivers.

This is one of the best blocking WR's groups I have ever seen from the canes. Someone is taking their job very seriously.

It is one of the reasons Dorsett is going to go to the league and do well. His speed, he blocking. His tape don't lie. He is the most underrated WR we have had here. He is going to the be Hurns, NFL is going to be shocked at how good he is.

I am betting the Jags pick him from the Fisch connection, and they will have Hurns Dorsett. Amazing.

I'd compare Dorsett to Travis Benjamin a ton. I'm not sure why, but in my head I get the feeling that Benjamin is/was faster than Dorsett but the numbers clearly show otherwise. They're either practically the same speed or Dorsett is faster. But either way, if Benjamin was a 3rd rounder (I think he was third, right?) then I see absolutely no reason at all Dorsett isn't also a third rounder. He insantly gives teams an over the top threat, and after getting rid of DJax, he would be a perfect fit for my Eagles. I'd actually be shocked if we don't pick him up in the draft. It just makes too much sense for Chip Kelly considering Phil's character and abilities. Hes a great kid with not even a hiccup of off the field issues. My buddy is a scout for the birds and says that if a kid has even the tiniest inkling of an off the field issue Chip takes him off the draft board immediately, no exceptions [yet]. Anyways, Dorsett has the potential to be a big time threat on Sundays.

I only disagree on one point here. Travis Benjamin is fearless. P dorsett is very timid when it comes to taking a hit and he refuses to cut UP THE FIELD when hes running. Otherwise, pretty good comparison

 

[AUcane]

Fsu's DL is surprisingly not their strength how ballyhooed their guys are. There's no classic FSU speed rush end on that team. Edwards is a DE in a DT's body and featherson is a slim dude. Unless fsu dials up blitzes, I think our OL can hold up. Our offense can move the ball on them - the big issue is how do we stop them?

I disagree.

FSU's D-line may not be living up to their potential this year, but they are still very good and if they're up against Feliciano in his second game ever at left tackle and two freshman at other spots on the line they are going to make life very, very difficult.

FSU knows we want to run the ball and on 3rd and long situations they're going to bring the heat. That's why I think our offensive line will be the key to the game.

On defense, FSU is going to score for sure because they are extremely dynamic. But Jameis makes mistakes and forces things (on and off the field)! We have to secure turnovers and then play a perfect game on offense. If we're not +2 or +3 in the turnover margin, we don't really stand a chance.

You're missing my point. My critique of the FSU DL is that they are lacking that classic WDE pass rushing deamon that they usually have - guys like CJones, Carradine, Jenkins, Werner, et al are missing from this defense. Instead, they have a SDE who is basically a DT (Edwards) and a WDE who is very undersized and doesn't offer a ton of speed (Featherson). Certainly they are stout up the middle, with Goldman and Edwards leading the way by being very physical but my issues with them is their speed on the DL and that they are not physical as they've been (losing McCallister, McdDanniel, and Jernigan are huge losses off that team.