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Rellyrell said:
And @Empirical Cane

So this is going to a lonnnng post, but it needs to be stated:

It’s really hard for non blacks to understand this. First off; please don’t use Candace Owens as any, and I mean ANY representation for Black America. Just b/c she has a black skin tone, does not mean she’s socially conscious at all. She’s from Stamford, CT, a predominately Caucasian area, she’s married dated all White men & and is now married to one (which is nothing wrong), but her views are going to conditioned based upon her environment, experience, and what she’s accustomed to. She assimilated to fit in.

Now, to her credit, I’ve been a champion on getting angry on why we, as a community, don’t get up in arms about black on black crime. I agree w her on that. I also agree w her about martyring criminals.....however, let me give you all a little history lesson on how my community became broken, and White Americans might not want to hear this, b/c it’s a course, and path that’s an ugly truth.

It started back w/ slavery.....

1. Property: As slaves were brought over to America to colonized states, who were once proud, strong, people were now regulated to being considered as property. Human beings considered as property, and worst yet, field animals.

2. Emasculation: Families were broken, men forced to watch their “animal wives” taken, brutalized, raped, snatched from them. Some men had genitals cut off of they were “too big.” They were used as breeders to create more slaves, babies sold along w their mothers stating “this baby comes from good stock” as they point to his battered father.

3. Fear: Being that there were more slaves than land owners and their overseers, they used acute violence, systemic violence against slaves to keep them in line. Didn’t pick enough cotton? Public whipping to show what happens if you don’t work hard? Caught outside your shack at a certain time? Public beating, and starvation to set an example. Tried to comfort your raped wife? Double your work load, and get beat. Tried to escape? Public Hanging, or if they are “sympathetic” due to your years of hard work, disfiguring of your important limbs.

Forgetting Your Past: Rewriting history is bad, forcing ones to forget their history is worst. This happened only to African Slaves. They were not to use their history in any sense of the word. Names were changed, language was changed, familial history was changed, and if any were caught trying to hold on to the past, heard speaking of ancestral history, they were whipped or hung. Each generation got further and further, and further away from their past, until it was completely gone.

Lack of knowledge: Beaten for reading, beaten for trying to educate oneself to this new life. Why? B/c knowledge is power.

Using The Bible: The now infamous slave Bible. What was once denounced as to never existed have now come to life. Taking out scriptures, adding to scriptures to justify why the White man was superior to all over races, and that it’s God’s will that Africans be slaves to them.

Division: The best way to get a group of people who are bigger & stronger than you is to divide an conquer. The term “A good ni99er” was used for those who did everything their master & overseer asked of them. Their reward? To sleep in the closet of the house, which was a step up from the barns/sheds. Well, as time goes on, these ones were made to feel superior to those on the outside, some even became overseers, so now you see your once upon a time brother, now exacting punishment to his fellow man. Children who were byproducts of rape, were put on a pedestal as their skin tone was fair, eyes a different color, hair a different texture.

Now what I just shared is the brief highlight of systematic and systemic demoralization of the African race over a 200 yr period. When “freedom” was sought & won, freedom was never given. You see, for 200 yrs this physical & mental warfare was passed along, so many didn’t even know what freedom was. It was scary to venture outside. But eventually time went on and adjustments were made.

Except....................

Freedom was never obtained. You see, Blacks were no longer considered property after the abolishment of slavery, true, but they also weren’t considered citizens along w all it’s amenities as stated by the constitution. U see, Southern States had “black codes” which made sure Blacks did not have the same rights as Whites. Voting rights, educational rights, ownership rights, all suppressed for another 100 yrs.

Furthermore, propaganda filled the US to justify neighborhood saviors (The KKK-the First American gang) to enable further abuse of freed men. Businesses burned; as a matter of fact, in the 1920’s, Blacks were starting to invest in itself, to the point we had our own banks, lending services, businesses out in Tulsa, OK. It was called, Black Wall Street, as we built everything from the ground up. This little known history was known as the Tulsa massacre, as White Americans burned down & killed hundreds of businesses and 1000’s of blacks. Black Wall Street died, and that fear that was once instilled and “slavery”, was rehashed.

It wasn’t until the mid 1950’s that Blacks started to enjoy some of the freedom they were promised, but it still wasn’t the same as their White counterparts. Whether it was soldiers being used as guinea pig test dummies for treatment experiments; Black war heroes being suppressed by history, G.I bills not being garnished to black soldiers, segregated armies, black soldiers coming home and beaten for wearing their uniforms, I mean, there’s a slew of injustices that were instilled to keep reminding the black man he was not the same as a white man; a reminder if u will.

So what does all that have to do w today? Well, the systemic injustice have been instilled. You want to know why people stay in low income housing? It’s not b/c they’re lazy, not all of them, it’s b/c of fear. My great aunt grew up in the segregated South in the 30’s, moved to Chicago in the 40’s, and guess what? It was segregated there, too....not by Jim Crow Laws, but by shear color of her skin. Although she worked on the Northside as a care giver, she better not be caught over there past 7p, or that meant harassment by the police. So what did she tell her kids? “Stay here, and don’t leave from here.” So a certain level of familiarity, and comfort begins to develop, and this invisible wall goes up b/c your conditioned.

Have you ever seen a battered woman, who even though her husband may be gone, or dead, the years of systematic abuse causes an invisible wall that she can’t get past. You see, blacks are that battered woman, but here’s the thing; when we see anything that remotely reminds us of the past 350 yrs, it triggers us. But, slavery and oppression did something else:

It did divide us, it did cause fear, it did emasculate us. The systemic conditioning has had an invisible wall affect. This protest isn’t about George Floyd; but going back to Candace Owens, I love how she used Floyd’s criminal past, but what Trevon; was he a criminal? Yet, he was made to be one to get George Zimmerman off, even though he had no priors. What about Breonna Taylor? Ezell Ford? Botham Jean in his own apartment b/c the officer didn’t know where “she lived?” Ahmaud Arbery? Was he a past criminal? You see, Floyd’s murder was a reminder that we still get treated inhumanly. If a police officer did that to a rabid dog, PETA would be up in arms.
She states that more white people have been killed by police officers; lol. Is she talking about federal raids like that in WACO or the ****’s Angels in San Bernardino County? We’re not taking about everyday citizens, we’re talking about massive raids.

At the end of the day, unless you’ve walked in a black man shoes, it’s really hard to understand a black man’s plight. It’s not as simple as, get up and get a job. We’re talking 350 yrs of systematic oppression, where til this day, the color of our skin provoked certain feelings. I got co-workers saying “what’s up‘dog’” to me, b/c what? I’m black? B/c Im from the Southside of Chicago, grew up in Compton? Do they say that to one another? **** no, and my colleagues are no racist....we go out all the time, but I had to be overtly nice so they would feel comfortable. Do u know how that feels? Of course many don’t.

Again, it’s systemic. People ask, well who’s oppressing you now? I find that comment laughable. Progress has been made, but if I’m in Atherton CA, driving a Toyota Camry, I get cops called on me. (True Story). I go to the Louis Vuitton store, I get followed (True Story). If I drive my relatives M6 in Inglewood, CA, I get pulled over (True Story). And if I’m walking down State Street in Chicago after 9p, I’m asked what gang I belong to (True Story). I mean for goodness sake, the NFL just realized they need to revamp a rule to get minorities in to coaching? Why is there even a rule in place for that to begin w? Affirmative action was put into place to get minorities job opportunities & schooling opportunities, why?

The color of our skin defines how we move; people like Candace Owens, I know people like her. My closest cousin is the male version of her. He grew up in a predominantly white community, he went out of his way to assimilate; he’s now a US Army Captain, and his brother in arms is everything. He went above and beyond to fight against the stigma of his skin tone, including involving himself in racial jokes to show he was one of the guys. He’s married to a white woman (nothing wrong w that), but he’s so out of touch w the black culture it’s not funny. He doesn’t know the plight, b/c he assimilated. You know what he told me on his birthday in December? He hated the color of his skin, b/c he had to shed the stigma of his skin color his whole life.

That’s the opposite spectrum of our plight. My community has been broken in so many ways, and unless you walk a foot in our shoes, you wouldn’t understand, but that’s OK. It’s like I would never understand what it feels to walk in your shoes, or a woman shoes. Then again, I don’t have the audacity to try to speak on your shoes or a woman shoes, and that’s my biggest problem w these dialogues. We have our opinions, that’s what makes the world of conversation great, but Candace Owens does not speak or represent the black community, neither do the Hodge Twins; they have their own plight of acceptance they have to deal w.

Regardless, I just wanted to give you a relatively brief overview of some of the ingrained injustices that my community have faced since being brought over to this country. If we can all understand each other views, and be empathetic to that, man we would be so much better as a country.
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This is a good post.
 
Rellyrell said:
And @Empirical Cane

So this is going to a lonnnng post, but it needs to be stated:

It’s really hard for non blacks to understand this. First off; please don’t use Candace Owens as any, and I mean ANY representation for Black America. Just b/c she has a black skin tone, does not mean she’s socially conscious at all. She’s from Stamford, CT, a predominately Caucasian area, she’s married dated all White men & and is now married to one (which is nothing wrong), but her views are going to conditioned based upon her environment, experience, and what she’s accustomed to. She assimilated to fit in.

Now, to her credit, I’ve been a champion on getting angry on why we, as a community, don’t get up in arms about black on black crime. I agree w her on that. I also agree w her about martyring criminals.....however, let me give you all a little history lesson on how my community became broken, and White Americans might not want to hear this, b/c it’s a course, and path that’s an ugly truth.

It started back w/ slavery.....

1. Property: As slaves were brought over to America to colonized states, who were once proud, strong, people were now regulated to being considered as property. Human beings considered as property, and worst yet, field animals.

2. Emasculation: Families were broken, men forced to watch their “animal wives” taken, brutalized, raped, snatched from them. Some men had genitals cut off of they were “too big.” They were used as breeders to create more slaves, babies sold along w their mothers stating “this baby comes from good stock” as they point to his battered father.

3. Fear: Being that there were more slaves than land owners and their overseers, they used acute violence, systemic violence against slaves to keep them in line. Didn’t pick enough cotton? Public whipping to show what happens if you don’t work hard? Caught outside your shack at a certain time? Public beating, and starvation to set an example. Tried to comfort your raped wife? Double your work load, and get beat. Tried to escape? Public Hanging, or if they are “sympathetic” due to your years of hard work, disfiguring of your important limbs.

Forgetting Your Past: Rewriting history is bad, forcing ones to forget their history is worst. This happened only to African Slaves. They were not to use their history in any sense of the word. Names were changed, language was changed, familial history was changed, and if any were caught trying to hold on to the past, heard speaking of ancestral history, they were whipped or hung. Each generation got further and further, and further away from their past, until it was completely gone.

Lack of knowledge: Beaten for reading, beaten for trying to educate oneself to this new life. Why? B/c knowledge is power.

Using The Bible: The now infamous slave Bible. What was once denounced as to never existed have now come to life. Taking out scriptures, adding to scriptures to justify why the White man was superior to all over races, and that it’s God’s will that Africans be slaves to them.

Division: The best way to get a group of people who are bigger & stronger than you is to divide an conquer. The term “A good ni99er” was used for those who did everything their master & overseer asked of them. Their reward? To sleep in the closet of the house, which was a step up from the barns/sheds. Well, as time goes on, these ones were made to feel superior to those on the outside, some even became overseers, so now you see your once upon a time brother, now exacting punishment to his fellow man. Children who were byproducts of rape, were put on a pedestal as their skin tone was fair, eyes a different color, hair a different texture.

Now what I just shared is the brief highlight of systematic and systemic demoralization of the African race over a 200 yr period. When “freedom” was sought & won, freedom was never given. You see, for 200 yrs this physical & mental warfare was passed along, so many didn’t even know what freedom was. It was scary to venture outside. But eventually time went on and adjustments were made.

Except....................

Freedom was never obtained. You see, Blacks were no longer considered property after the abolishment of slavery, true, but they also weren’t considered citizens along w all it’s amenities as stated by the constitution. U see, Southern States had “black codes” which made sure Blacks did not have the same rights as Whites. Voting rights, educational rights, ownership rights, all suppressed for another 100 yrs.

Furthermore, propaganda filled the US to justify neighborhood saviors (The KKK-the First American gang) to enable further abuse of freed men. Businesses burned; as a matter of fact, in the 1920’s, Blacks were starting to invest in itself, to the point we had our own banks, lending services, businesses out in Tulsa, OK. It was called, Black Wall Street, as we built everything from the ground up. This little known history was known as the Tulsa massacre, as White Americans burned down & killed hundreds of businesses and 1000’s of blacks. Black Wall Street died, and that fear that was once instilled and “slavery”, was rehashed.

It wasn’t until the mid 1950’s that Blacks started to enjoy some of the freedom they were promised, but it still wasn’t the same as their White counterparts. Whether it was soldiers being used as guinea pig test dummies for treatment experiments; Black war heroes being suppressed by history, G.I bills not being garnished to black soldiers, segregated armies, black soldiers coming home and beaten for wearing their uniforms, I mean, there’s a slew of injustices that were instilled to keep reminding the black man he was not the same as a white man; a reminder if u will.

So what does all that have to do w today? Well, the systemic injustice have been instilled. You want to know why people stay in low income housing? It’s not b/c they’re lazy, not all of them, it’s b/c of fear. My great aunt grew up in the segregated South in the 30’s, moved to Chicago in the 40’s, and guess what? It was segregated there, too....not by Jim Crow Laws, but by shear color of her skin. Although she worked on the Northside as a care giver, she better not be caught over there past 7p, or that meant harassment by the police. So what did she tell her kids? “Stay here, and don’t leave from here.” So a certain level of familiarity, and comfort begins to develop, and this invisible wall goes up b/c your conditioned.

Have you ever seen a battered woman, who even though her husband may be gone, or dead, the years of systematic abuse causes an invisible wall that she can’t get past. You see, blacks are that battered woman, but here’s the thing; when we see anything that remotely reminds us of the past 350 yrs, it triggers us. But, slavery and oppression did something else:

It did divide us, it did cause fear, it did emasculate us. The systemic conditioning has had an invisible wall affect. This protest isn’t about George Floyd; but going back to Candace Owens, I love how she used Floyd’s criminal past, but what Trevon; was he a criminal? Yet, he was made to be one to get George Zimmerman off, even though he had no priors. What about Breonna Taylor? Ezell Ford? Botham Jean in his own apartment b/c the officer didn’t know where “she lived?” Ahmaud Arbery? Was he a past criminal? You see, Floyd’s murder was a reminder that we still get treated inhumanly. If a police officer did that to a rabid dog, PETA would be up in arms.
She states that more white people have been killed by police officers; lol. Is she talking about federal raids like that in WACO or the ****’s Angels in San Bernardino County? We’re not taking about everyday citizens, we’re talking about massive raids.

At the end of the day, unless you’ve walked in a black man shoes, it’s really hard to understand a black man’s plight. It’s not as simple as, get up and get a job. We’re talking 350 yrs of systematic oppression, where til this day, the color of our skin provoked certain feelings. I got co-workers saying “what’s up‘dog’” to me, b/c what? I’m black? B/c Im from the Southside of Chicago, grew up in Compton? Do they say that to one another? **** no, and my colleagues are no racist....we go out all the time, but I had to be overtly nice so they would feel comfortable. Do u know how that feels? Of course many don’t.

Again, it’s systemic. People ask, well who’s oppressing you now? I find that comment laughable. Progress has been made, but if I’m in Atherton CA, driving a Toyota Camry, I get cops called on me. (True Story). I go to the Louis Vuitton store, I get followed (True Story). If I drive my relatives M6 in Inglewood, CA, I get pulled over (True Story). And if I’m walking down State Street in Chicago after 9p, I’m asked what gang I belong to (True Story). I mean for goodness sake, the NFL just realized they need to revamp a rule to get minorities in to coaching? Why is there even a rule in place for that to begin w? Affirmative action was put into place to get minorities job opportunities & schooling opportunities, why?

The color of our skin defines how we move; people like Candace Owens, I know people like her. My closest cousin is the male version of her. He grew up in a predominantly white community, he went out of his way to assimilate; he’s now a US Army Captain, and his brother in arms is everything. He went above and beyond to fight against the stigma of his skin tone, including involving himself in racial jokes to show he was one of the guys. He’s married to a white woman (nothing wrong w that), but he’s so out of touch w the black culture it’s not funny. He doesn’t know the plight, b/c he assimilated. You know what he told me on his birthday in December? He hated the color of his skin, b/c he had to shed the stigma of his skin color his whole life.

That’s the opposite spectrum of our plight. My community has been broken in so many ways, and unless you walk a foot in our shoes, you wouldn’t understand, but that’s OK. It’s like I would never understand what it feels to walk in your shoes, or a woman shoes. Then again, I don’t have the audacity to try to speak on your shoes or a woman shoes, and that’s my biggest problem w these dialogues. We have our opinions, that’s what makes the world of conversation great, but Candace Owens does not speak or represent the black community, neither do the Hodge Twins; they have their own plight of acceptance they have to deal w.

Regardless, I just wanted to give you a relatively brief overview of some of the ingrained injustices that my community have faced since being brought over to this country. If we can all understand each other views, and be empathetic to that, man we would be so much better as a country.
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This was articulated so well man. Salute to you.
 
88 said:
People really think DDay saved the world?
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I could care less what people think. I know that their was thousands of men who had the balls to storm that beach knowing what was waiting for them. And didn't cry or *****. So now what?
 
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gruntking said:
I hear you brother. I haven't walked in your shoes but I have heard the stories from different people, written and spoken. I know this country's past and I know racism exists. But all we can do is be who we are and hopefully who we are doesn't help further racial division... and that means both whites and blacks. Before Dan E. Dangerously suggested that I put a shotgun down my throat and pull the trigger... in a post I spoke about that there have been two murders of my family members since I can remember... one in the mid 60's in NYC where my dad's cousin was killed by black men in a robbery... and 5 years ago I have a cousin who's son who was shot to death by a black guy in Miami. Violence impacts people of all colors.

I have lots to be grateful for and one of them is that I was raised by my mother and father and they were compassionate good people who taught me right from wrong and they didn't allow me to stray because they knew what would become of me. They also didn't teach me to be racial, but to look at peoples character not their skin color or race. I was blessed with a good and decent upbringing... if I hadn't had that upbringing my life probably would have been very different.

Relly you are a good soul and if you were in Miami we could have a beer and shoot some pool... same thing I do with my friends.
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Ill spark up Relly, also. That's if I'm invited...
 
Rellyrell said:
And @Empirical Cane

So this is going to a lonnnng post, but it needs to be stated:

It’s really hard for non blacks to understand this. First off; please don’t use Candace Owens as any, and I mean ANY representation for Black America. Just b/c she has a black skin tone, does not mean she’s socially conscious at all. She’s from Stamford, CT, a predominately Caucasian area, she’s married dated all White men & and is now married to one (which is nothing wrong), but her views are going to conditioned based upon her environment, experience, and what she’s accustomed to. She assimilated to fit in.

Now, to her credit, I’ve been a champion on getting angry on why we, as a community, don’t get up in arms about black on black crime. I agree w her on that. I also agree w her about martyring criminals.....however, let me give you all a little history lesson on how my community became broken, and White Americans might not want to hear this, b/c it’s a course, and path that’s an ugly truth.

It started back w/ slavery.....

1. Property: As slaves were brought over to America to colonized states, who were once proud, strong, people were now regulated to being considered as property. Human beings considered as property, and worst yet, field animals.

2. Emasculation: Families were broken, men forced to watch their “animal wives” taken, brutalized, raped, snatched from them. Some men had genitals cut off of they were “too big.” They were used as breeders to create more slaves, babies sold along w their mothers stating “this baby comes from good stock” as they point to his battered father.

3. Fear: Being that there were more slaves than land owners and their overseers, they used acute violence, systemic violence against slaves to keep them in line. Didn’t pick enough cotton? Public whipping to show what happens if you don’t work hard? Caught outside your shack at a certain time? Public beating, and starvation to set an example. Tried to comfort your raped wife? Double your work load, and get beat. Tried to escape? Public Hanging, or if they are “sympathetic” due to your years of hard work, disfiguring of your important limbs.

Forgetting Your Past: Rewriting history is bad, forcing ones to forget their history is worst. This happened only to African Slaves. They were not to use their history in any sense of the word. Names were changed, language was changed, familial history was changed, and if any were caught trying to hold on to the past, heard speaking of ancestral history, they were whipped or hung. Each generation got further and further, and further away from their past, until it was completely gone.

Lack of knowledge: Beaten for reading, beaten for trying to educate oneself to this new life. Why? B/c knowledge is power.

Using The Bible: The now infamous slave Bible. What was once denounced as to never existed have now come to life. Taking out scriptures, adding to scriptures to justify why the White man was superior to all over races, and that it’s God’s will that Africans be slaves to them.

Division: The best way to get a group of people who are bigger & stronger than you is to divide an conquer. The term “A good ni99er” was used for those who did everything their master & overseer asked of them. Their reward? To sleep in the closet of the house, which was a step up from the barns/sheds. Well, as time goes on, these ones were made to feel superior to those on the outside, some even became overseers, so now you see your once upon a time brother, now exacting punishment to his fellow man. Children who were byproducts of rape, were put on a pedestal as their skin tone was fair, eyes a different color, hair a different texture.

Now what I just shared is the brief highlight of systematic and systemic demoralization of the African race over a 200 yr period. When “freedom” was sought & won, freedom was never given. You see, for 200 yrs this physical & mental warfare was passed along, so many didn’t even know what freedom was. It was scary to venture outside. But eventually time went on and adjustments were made.

Except....................

Freedom was never obtained. You see, Blacks were no longer considered property after the abolishment of slavery, true, but they also weren’t considered citizens along w all it’s amenities as stated by the constitution. U see, Southern States had “black codes” which made sure Blacks did not have the same rights as Whites. Voting rights, educational rights, ownership rights, all suppressed for another 100 yrs.

Furthermore, propaganda filled the US to justify neighborhood saviors (The KKK-the First American gang) to enable further abuse of freed men. Businesses burned; as a matter of fact, in the 1920’s, Blacks were starting to invest in itself, to the point we had our own banks, lending services, businesses out in Tulsa, OK. It was called, Black Wall Street, as we built everything from the ground up. This little known history was known as the Tulsa massacre, as White Americans burned down & killed hundreds of businesses and 1000’s of blacks. Black Wall Street died, and that fear that was once instilled and “slavery”, was rehashed.

It wasn’t until the mid 1950’s that Blacks started to enjoy some of the freedom they were promised, but it still wasn’t the same as their White counterparts. Whether it was soldiers being used as guinea pig test dummies for treatment experiments; Black war heroes being suppressed by history, G.I bills not being garnished to black soldiers, segregated armies, black soldiers coming home and beaten for wearing their uniforms, I mean, there’s a slew of injustices that were instilled to keep reminding the black man he was not the same as a white man; a reminder if u will.

So what does all that have to do w today? Well, the systemic injustice have been instilled. You want to know why people stay in low income housing? It’s not b/c they’re lazy, not all of them, it’s b/c of fear. My great aunt grew up in the segregated South in the 30’s, moved to Chicago in the 40’s, and guess what? It was segregated there, too....not by Jim Crow Laws, but by shear color of her skin. Although she worked on the Northside as a care giver, she better not be caught over there past 7p, or that meant harassment by the police. So what did she tell her kids? “Stay here, and don’t leave from here.” So a certain level of familiarity, and comfort begins to develop, and this invisible wall goes up b/c your conditioned.

Have you ever seen a battered woman, who even though her husband may be gone, or dead, the years of systematic abuse causes an invisible wall that she can’t get past. You see, blacks are that battered woman, but here’s the thing; when we see anything that remotely reminds us of the past 350 yrs, it triggers us. But, slavery and oppression did something else:

It did divide us, it did cause fear, it did emasculate us. The systemic conditioning has had an invisible wall affect. This protest isn’t about George Floyd; but going back to Candace Owens, I love how she used Floyd’s criminal past, but what Trevon; was he a criminal? Yet, he was made to be one to get George Zimmerman off, even though he had no priors. What about Breonna Taylor? Ezell Ford? Botham Jean in his own apartment b/c the officer didn’t know where “she lived?” Ahmaud Arbery? Was he a past criminal? You see, Floyd’s murder was a reminder that we still get treated inhumanly. If a police officer did that to a rabid dog, PETA would be up in arms.
She states that more white people have been killed by police officers; lol. Is she talking about federal raids like that in WACO or the ****’s Angels in San Bernardino County? We’re not taking about everyday citizens, we’re talking about massive raids.

At the end of the day, unless you’ve walked in a black man shoes, it’s really hard to understand a black man’s plight. It’s not as simple as, get up and get a job. We’re talking 350 yrs of systematic oppression, where til this day, the color of our skin provoked certain feelings. I got co-workers saying “what’s up‘dog’” to me, b/c what? I’m black? B/c Im from the Southside of Chicago, grew up in Compton? Do they say that to one another? **** no, and my colleagues are no racist....we go out all the time, but I had to be overtly nice so they would feel comfortable. Do u know how that feels? Of course many don’t.

Again, it’s systemic. People ask, well who’s oppressing you now? I find that comment laughable. Progress has been made, but if I’m in Atherton CA, driving a Toyota Camry, I get cops called on me. (True Story). I go to the Louis Vuitton store, I get followed (True Story). If I drive my relatives M6 in Inglewood, CA, I get pulled over (True Story). And if I’m walking down State Street in Chicago after 9p, I’m asked what gang I belong to (True Story). I mean for goodness sake, the NFL just realized they need to revamp a rule to get minorities in to coaching? Why is there even a rule in place for that to begin w? Affirmative action was put into place to get minorities job opportunities & schooling opportunities, why?

The color of our skin defines how we move; people like Candace Owens, I know people like her. My closest cousin is the male version of her. He grew up in a predominantly white community, he went out of his way to assimilate; he’s now a US Army Captain, and his brother in arms is everything. He went above and beyond to fight against the stigma of his skin tone, including involving himself in racial jokes to show he was one of the guys. He’s married to a white woman (nothing wrong w that), but he’s so out of touch w the black culture it’s not funny. He doesn’t know the plight, b/c he assimilated. You know what he told me on his birthday in December? He hated the color of his skin, b/c he had to shed the stigma of his skin color his whole life.

That’s the opposite spectrum of our plight. My community has been broken in so many ways, and unless you walk a foot in our shoes, you wouldn’t understa?nd, but that’s OK. It’s like I would never understand what it feels to walk in your shoes, or a woman shoes. Then again, I don’t have the audacity to try to speak on your shoes or a woman shoes, and that’s my biggest problem w these dialogues. We have our opinions, that’s what makes the world of conversation great, but Candace Owens does not speak or represent the black community, neither do the Hodge Twins; they have their own plight of acceptance they have to deal w.

Regardless, I just wanted to give you a relatively brief overview of some of the ingrained injustices that my community have faced since being brought over to this country. If we can all understand each other views, and be empathetic to that, man we would be so much better as a country.
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Great post! We do know what happened in the past that's why many of our forefathers fought and died to right that ship. So how long does the country have to wait for the black community to assimilate so we can become one? We are the greatest country on the planet. Do we ague for another 350 years, burn down businesses, kill good people like the 77 year old black cop when a black man is murdered by a white man? At some point for it to stop there has to be some way where you stop projecting the pain to you kids and let them have a better life and focus on that? Nobody is saying forget it, none of us will.

Do you think just because I am or others are white and our forefathers were white who had nothing to do with slavery should have to bear the burden the same as the slave owners? On my fathers side of the family they fought to free slaves. On my mothers side they weren't even here yet.

We all have our burdens. MY mother left when I was 5 and a half my sister was 2, she left us for a dentist. For many years I wanted to beat him to a pulp like my amputee father did. Well one day when I was about 24 I saw him in my friends bar, I was ready, my friend stopped me with words of good common sense. If you do this it's going to hurt you in the long run you will have a record and will be going to jail. I said but this ****** destroyed out family. He said that was in the past you have your life to live now, don't ***** it up. I had to let it go or the hate would make things much worse. My mother was equally to blame but she was my mother. Took me 30 years to get over what happened to my family but I'll never forget it. I didn't make things worse. Third grade, ''Teacher'' We need to schedule your meeting for parents teachers conference. Me, I don't have a mother she left us, will tears in my eyes.

If I had my way I'd have every parent who doesn't do right by their kids executed. It's going on more than ever in every race now. I know what those kids are going through. Stop poisoning them with hate it hurts them in the long run. Forget No! None of us will ever forget that horrible time in history but when does the hate stop? The cop should have already been executed IMO, but for gosh sakes not all of us did that. He should pay the price for his actions not the entire country. I didn't want entire black community to pay the price when the black cop killed an unarmed white woman 3 years before in the same city. One country, all races fought and died to make it what it is today. We can thank all of them for making it better for us, is it perfect, no. Do we still have work to do, yes.


We know what the problem was, we know what some did but we can't change the past we can only learn from it.
 
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I agree w both Candace & Burgess to an extent. However my thing w Candace is that she tends to trivialize issues and use inaccurate statistics to back up her views....kinda like we do here on CIS to defend Manny’s defense. LMAO.
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Did she use any inaccurate stats in her last video, the one I posted?
 
When I said our rights are being destroyed right before our eyes, this is an example of what I was talking about. The editor of the NYT Opinion page forced out for publishing a piece by Tom Cotton, a sitting US Senator.

The 1st Amendment is under total siege as we speak. We are living in an incredibly dangerous time.

 
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Let me gun down some brothas who looked at me wrong and then take to the streets and riot in the name of black lives matter.
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Look at all the attempts to DISTRACT from the point. Pathetic

Black people are being gunned down and assaulted by tax dollar paid, sworn to protect and serve, public servants called police 👮.

That’s the issue and we are gonna stick to it.
 
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Go Canes!! said:
When I said our rights are being destroyed right before our eyes, this is what I was talking about. The editor of the NYT Opinion page forced out for publishing a piece by Tom Cotton, a sitting US Senator.

The 1st Amendment is being under total siege as we speak. We are living in an incredibly dangerous time.

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Caneoil. Respect given to you, also. Being able to express your point of view in a way to open up conversation is commendable. Just want an even playing field...
Sorry Go. I hijacked your post....
 
HarrietTubmanCane said:
Look at all the attempts to DISTRACT from the point. Pathetic

Black people are being gunned down and assaulted by tax dollar paid, sworn to protect and serve, public servants called police 👮.

That’s the issue and we are gonna stick to it.
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CaneOil said:
Great post! We do know what happened in the past that's why many of our forefathers fought and died to right that ship. So how long does the country have to wait for the black community to assimilate so we can become one? We are the greatest country on the planet. Do we ague for another 350 years, burn down businesses, kill good people like the 77 year old black cop when a black man is murdered by a white man? At some point for it to stop there has to be some way where you stop projecting the pain to you kids and let them have a better life and focus on that? Nobody is saying forget it, none of us will.

Do you think just because I am or others are white and our forefathers were white who had nothing to do with slavery should have to bear the burden the same as the slave owners? On my fathers side of the family they fought to free slaves. On my mothers side they weren't even here yet.

We all have our burdens. MY mother left when I was 5 and a half my sister was 2, she left us for a dentist. For many years I wanted to beat him to a pulp like my amputee father did. Well one day when I was about 24 I saw him in my friends bar, I was ready, my friend stopped me with words of good common sense. If you do this it's going to hurt you in the long run you will have a record and will be going to jail. I said but this ****** destroyed out family. He said that was in the past you have your life to live now, don't ***** it up. I had to let it go or the hate would make things much worse. My mother was equally to blame but she was my mother. Took me 30 years to get over what happened to my family but I'll never forget it. I didn't make things worse. Third grade, ''Teacher'' We need to schedule your meeting for parents teachers conference. Me, I don't have a mother she left us, will tears in my eyes.

If I had my way I'd have every parent who doesn't do right by their kids executed. It's going on more than ever in every race now. I know what those kids are going through. Stop poisoning them with hate it hurts them in the long run. Forget No! None of us will ever forget that horrible time in history but when does the hate stop? The cop should have already been executed IMO, but for gosh sakes not all of us did that. He should pay the price for his actions not the entire country. I didn't want entire black community to pay the price when the black cop killed an unarmed white woman 3 years before in the same city. One country, all races fought and died to make it what it is today. We can thank all of them for making it better for us, is it perfect, no. Do we still have work to do, yes.


We know what the problem was, we know what some did but we can't change the past we can only learn from it.
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Man, I’m sorry for your experience as a child man. My heart truly goes out to you and your sister bro.

Your last sentence is the key; learning from it. It appears some have not learned from the past, but rather are still perpetuating the past by other means. And I believe that’s where this outrage is stemming from.

Right now, there this blurred line, but the point is at least there is a line, when once upon a time there was no line. We just gotta work together and continue to work together to unblur that line, and that starts w our views. I can see how people become prejudice; ****, admittedly I was prejudice against Mexicans b/c back in high school, we fought, and I was stabbed by one. BUT my closest homies are Mexican, and they shared things w me that blacks did to them while in South L.A. Once we had that open dialogue, they gave me a history lesson of what they and their families experienced, not just from the white community, but also the black community, and I shared my stories, man we just realized we ALL have f’d up stories, but that doesn’t mean we’re all f’d up.

Life experiences taint people’s minds, brother. It’s time to un-taint our minds and understand the past is the past; we gotta keep moving forward, and if anything reminds us of the past, use our voices, platforms to continue to influence change. Although once upon a time, I was a very, VERY violent person (like the type that would make up anything to get in to fist fight), violence is never the answer; it took time for me to mature to realize that. Like I told my boys, these riots, looting, beating innocent people is for what? What message are sending? “That we’re not going to take it anymore?” Naw, the message we’re sending is we’re unruly and the real message that we, as a country, still got work to do, is now losing it’s focus.
 
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And @Empirical Cane

So this is going to a lonnnng post, but it needs to be stated:

It’s really hard for non blacks to understand this. First off; please don’t use Candace Owens as any, and I mean ANY representation for Black America. Just b/c she has a black skin tone, does not mean she’s socially conscious at all. She’s from Stamford, CT, a predominately Caucasian area, she’s married dated all White men & and is now married to one (which is nothing wrong), but her views are going to conditioned based upon her environment, experience, and what she’s accustomed to. She assimilated to fit in.

Now, to her credit, I’ve been a champion on getting angry on why we, as a community, don’t get up in arms about black on black crime. I agree w her on that. I also agree w her about martyring criminals.....however, let me give you all a little history lesson on how my community became broken, and White Americans might not want to hear this, b/c it’s a course, and path that’s an ugly truth.

It started back w/ slavery.....

1. Property: As slaves were brought over to America to colonized states, who were once proud, strong, people were now regulated to being considered as property. Human beings considered as property, and worst yet, field animals.

2. Emasculation: Families were broken, men forced to watch their “animal wives” taken, brutalized, raped, snatched from them. Some men had genitals cut off of they were “too big.” They were used as breeders to create more slaves, babies sold along w their mothers stating “this baby comes from good stock” as they point to his battered father.

3. Fear: Being that there were more slaves than land owners and their overseers, they used acute violence, systemic violence against slaves to keep them in line. Didn’t pick enough cotton? Public whipping to show what happens if you don’t work hard? Caught outside your shack at a certain time? Public beating, and starvation to set an example. Tried to comfort your raped wife? Double your work load, and get beat. Tried to escape? Public Hanging, or if they are “sympathetic” due to your years of hard work, disfiguring of your important limbs.

Forgetting Your Past: Rewriting history is bad, forcing ones to forget their history is worst. This happened only to African Slaves. They were not to use their history in any sense of the word. Names were changed, language was changed, familial history was changed, and if any were caught trying to hold on to the past, heard speaking of ancestral history, they were whipped or hung. Each generation got further and further, and further away from their past, until it was completely gone.

Lack of knowledge: Beaten for reading, beaten for trying to educate oneself to this new life. Why? B/c knowledge is power.

Using The Bible: The now infamous slave Bible. What was once denounced as to never existed have now come to life. Taking out scriptures, adding to scriptures to justify why the White man was superior to all over races, and that it’s God’s will that Africans be slaves to them.

Division: The best way to get a group of people who are bigger & stronger than you is to divide an conquer. The term “A good ni99er” was used for those who did everything their master & overseer asked of them. Their reward? To sleep in the closet of the house, which was a step up from the barns/sheds. Well, as time goes on, these ones were made to feel superior to those on the outside, some even became overseers, so now you see your once upon a time brother, now exacting punishment to his fellow man. Children who were byproducts of rape, were put on a pedestal as their skin tone was fair, eyes a different color, hair a different texture.

Now what I just shared is the brief highlight of systematic and systemic demoralization of the African race over a 200 yr period. When “freedom” was sought & won, freedom was never given. You see, for 200 yrs this physical & mental warfare was passed along, so many didn’t even know what freedom was. It was scary to venture outside. But eventually time went on and adjustments were made.

Except....................

Freedom was never obtained. You see, Blacks were no longer considered property after the abolishment of slavery, true, but they also weren’t considered citizens along w all it’s amenities as stated by the constitution. U see, Southern States had “black codes” which made sure Blacks did not have the same rights as Whites. Voting rights, educational rights, ownership rights, all suppressed for another 100 yrs.

Furthermore, propaganda filled the US to justify neighborhood saviors (The KKK-the First American gang) to enable further abuse of freed men. Businesses burned; as a matter of fact, in the 1920’s, Blacks were starting to invest in itself, to the point we had our own banks, lending services, businesses out in Tulsa, OK. It was called, Black Wall Street, as we built everything from the ground up. This little known history was known as the Tulsa massacre, as White Americans burned down & killed hundreds of businesses and 1000’s of blacks. Black Wall Street died, and that fear that was once instilled and “slavery”, was rehashed.

It wasn’t until the mid 1950’s that Blacks started to enjoy some of the freedom they were promised, but it still wasn’t the same as their White counterparts. Whether it was soldiers being used as guinea pig test dummies for treatment experiments; Black war heroes being suppressed by history, G.I bills not being garnished to black soldiers, segregated armies, black soldiers coming home and beaten for wearing their uniforms, I mean, there’s a slew of injustices that were instilled to keep reminding the black man he was not the same as a white man; a reminder if u will.

So what does all that have to do w today? Well, the systemic injustice have been instilled. You want to know why people stay in low income housing? It’s not b/c they’re lazy, not all of them, it’s b/c of fear. My great aunt grew up in the segregated South in the 30’s, moved to Chicago in the 40’s, and guess what? It was segregated there, too....not by Jim Crow Laws, but by shear color of her skin. Although she worked on the Northside as a care giver, she better not be caught over there past 7p, or that meant harassment by the police. So what did she tell her kids? “Stay here, and don’t leave from here.” So a certain level of familiarity, and comfort begins to develop, and this invisible wall goes up b/c your conditioned.

Have you ever seen a battered woman, who even though her husband may be gone, or dead, the years of systematic abuse causes an invisible wall that she can’t get past. You see, blacks are that battered woman, but here’s the thing; when we see anything that remotely reminds us of the past 350 yrs, it triggers us. But, slavery and oppression did something else:

It did divide us, it did cause fear, it did emasculate us. The systemic conditioning has had an invisible wall affect. This protest isn’t about George Floyd; but going back to Candace Owens, I love how she used Floyd’s criminal past, but what Trevon; was he a criminal? Yet, he was made to be one to get George Zimmerman off, even though he had no priors. What about Breonna Taylor? Ezell Ford? Botham Jean in his own apartment b/c the officer didn’t know where “she lived?” Ahmaud Arbery? Was he a past criminal? You see, Floyd’s murder was a reminder that we still get treated inhumanly. If a police officer did that to a rabid dog, PETA would be up in arms.
She states that more white people have been killed by police officers; lol. Is she talking about federal raids like that in WACO or the ****’s Angels in San Bernardino County? We’re not taking about everyday citizens, we’re talking about massive raids.

At the end of the day, unless you’ve walked in a black man shoes, it’s really hard to understand a black man’s plight. It’s not as simple as, get up and get a job. We’re talking 350 yrs of systematic oppression, where til this day, the color of our skin provoked certain feelings. I got co-workers saying “what’s up‘dog’” to me, b/c what? I’m black? B/c Im from the Southside of Chicago, grew up in Compton? Do they say that to one another? **** no, and my colleagues are no racist....we go out all the time, but I had to be overtly nice so they would feel comfortable. Do u know how that feels? Of course many don’t.

Again, it’s systemic. People ask, well who’s oppressing you now? I find that comment laughable. Progress has been made, but if I’m in Atherton CA, driving a Toyota Camry, I get cops called on me. (True Story). I go to the Louis Vuitton store, I get followed (True Story). If I drive my relatives M6 in Inglewood, CA, I get pulled over (True Story). And if I’m walking down State Street in Chicago after 9p, I’m asked what gang I belong to (True Story). I mean for goodness sake, the NFL just realized they need to revamp a rule to get minorities in to coaching? Why is there even a rule in place for that to begin w? Affirmative action was put into place to get minorities job opportunities & schooling opportunities, why?

The color of our skin defines how we move; people like Candace Owens, I know people like her. My closest cousin is the male version of her. He grew up in a predominantly white community, he went out of his way to assimilate; he’s now a US Army Captain, and his brother in arms is everything. He went above and beyond to fight against the stigma of his skin tone, including involving himself in racial jokes to show he was one of the guys. He’s married to a white woman (nothing wrong w that), but he’s so out of touch w the black culture it’s not funny. He doesn’t know the plight, b/c he assimilated. You know what he told me on his birthday in December? He hated the color of his skin, b/c he had to shed the stigma of his skin color his whole life.

That’s the opposite spectrum of our plight. My community has been broken in so many ways, and unless you walk a foot in our shoes, you wouldn’t understand, but that’s OK. It’s like I would never understand what it feels to walk in your shoes, or a woman shoes. Then again, I don’t have the audacity to try to speak on your shoes or a woman shoes, and that’s my biggest problem w these dialogues. We have our opinions, that’s what makes the world of conversation great, but Candace Owens does not speak or represent the black community, neither do the Hodge Twins; they have their own plight of acceptance they have to deal w.

Regardless, I just wanted to give you a relatively brief overview of some of the ingrained injustices that my community have faced since being brought over to this country. If we can all understand each other views, and be empathetic to that, man we would be so much better as a country.
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Very well said friend.

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The anger is not about cops shootings whites and blacks; it’s about cops shooting unarmed blacks, choking to death blacks begging for their lives over petty crimes. So what the police data is not going to show is how many of these victims were shot due to a shoot out v. being unarmed or being in the wrong neighborhood & “fitting” a description.

Stats w no context are just empty numbers.
 
“We know what happened in the past”

“We know American History”

They totally missed the point of Rellyrell’s post. There is NO/ZERO way you understand or understood how the history he detailed has impacted black people mentally, emotionally and psychologically. That was the new info in his post and what made it different and a great post. Y’all totally ignored that part, “yea yea...we know and heard all dat ish...but when y’all gon snap outta it”.

Y’all didn’t know that, y’all don’t understand that and most impacting, y’all don’t care to. Never have and never will. Gonna keep to those tired retread talking points gripped to your molar teeth no matter what happens or who dies.

How it has collectively impacted us was the take away and y’all purposely missed again.

The issue is that White Supremacy is the ANTONYM for JUSTICE. The direct opposite. Racism is white supremacy the ideology in action, so there’s hundreds of ways to act the ideology out. But at its core White Supremacy is the belief that my innately superior self and people have the sovereign inalienable right to physically, mentally, emotionally and politically harm, oppress and subjugate black people WITH IMPUNITY.

That’s the motivation of all these posts whether conscious or subconscious. They feel a glitch in their Matrix.

Is Accountability on the horizon finally?

Yes it is. And that’s at the core, what they fear.

If deer 🦌 had guns they would never enter a forest 🌳 to hunt one, that “hobby” would totally disappear from existence and they’d move on to another creation that can’t fight back. They don’t want any recourse or even a smidgen of chance that what they dish, might be responded to in the like.

Narcissistic. Psychopathic. Bully. Cowards. At their Core.

Terrified right now and attempting to distract by any means necessary to the attempt and push to JUSTICE right now.

JUSTICE is terrifying to them, so let’s talk Candace Owens, the 77 year old black man, the First Amendment, the false phenomenon of “black on black crime”, Trump’s behavior, liberal, snowflakes ❄️, alphas and betas, conservatives, the Right Wing, Obama, Drew Brees has a right to an opinion, etc etc etc.............it’s all FOLLY.

They don’t want and FEAR JUSTICE.
 
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