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Remind me again how Mario is not good enough for us?

filmcane said:
I did.
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Good. Then you definitely saw the part about us not being able to "support" him the way Oregon does. I assume he's smart enough to see that he won't have the booster support and flashy facilities to sell here, as well as more recruiting competition in his backyard. The point is that he's got a better situation in Oregon than he'd have here, and that's making him look better than he would here.
 
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TheEye said:
There are NO rumors that Mario wants to come back to Miami. You are citing old news. He wanted to be head coach when his only HC experience was a job at FIU he was fired from.
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Nope- word was a board member close to Cristobal talked to Carol Soffer and she agreed to his buyout. Cristobal was going to be the HC but James blew up the deal. Cristobal had his backers, but former mayor had more.
 
kryptonite said:
Good. Then you definitely saw the part about us not being able to "support" him the way Oregon does. I assume he's smart enough to see that he won't have the booster support and flashy facilities to sell here, as well as more recruiting competition in his backyard. The point is that he's got a better situation in Oregon than he'd have here, and that's making him look better than he would here.
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The administration was prepared to take monetary action, and they did, when Richt came on board. Maybe in the past, they wouldn't have seen enough evidence to give Mario what he needs, but not only is he doing great right now, Oregon looks like they're going to be running the Pac for at least another year or two.

Point is, I think they would adjust their behavior like they did when Richt came, if they believed they were getting a coach that would raise the level of the profile and recognition for the school.
 
filmcane said:
The administration was prepared to take monetary action, and they did, when Richt came on board. Maybe in the past, they wouldn't have seen enough evidence to give Mario what he needs, but not only is he doing great right now, Oregon looks like they're going to be running the Pac for at least another year or two.

Point is, I think they would adjust their behavior like they did when Richt came, if they believed they were getting a coach that would raise the level of the profile and recognition for the school.
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We're talking 100s of millions of dollars in facilities to catch up to that level, and we don't have that much support. The bigger issue is we don't have to booster support other schools have. We don't have a billionaire or thousands of sort-of-successful businessmen to distribute off-the-books money for us. When these top kids make their choices, money comes into play, and we're just not doing it like these other schools do. And we won't.
 
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The Canes are currently ranked 17th and Oregon 18th. Lets go easy on the whole, "Our class is ranked higher than Oregon stuff." Its all within the margins.
 
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TimeB0mb said:
Nope- word was a board member close to Cristobal talked to Carol Soffer and she agreed to his buyout. Cristobal was going to be the HC but James blew up the deal. Cristobal had his backers, but former mayor had more.
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Nothing personal, but what makes that rumor any better than the others? I can just as easily say I heard we were all in on Mario, but he needed a private plane and a bowl of green m&ms so the BOT bailed on him.
 
kryptonite said:
We're talking 100s of millions of dollars in facilities to catch up to that level, and we don't have that much support. The bigger issue is we don't have to booster support other schools have. We don't have a billionaire or thousands of sort-of-successful businessmen to distribute off-the-books money for us. When these top kids make their choices, money comes into play, and we're just not doing it like these other schools do. And we won't.
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I keep hearing about all this bowl and network TV revenue we're supposedly pulling in. Man, this is depressing.
 
Why is this even being debated?? Of course we would take Mario over the incompetent slogans and gimmicks analytical nerd that we have right now.
 
Katzenboyer said:
He went 10-2 this season and just won the Pac 10. What else, exactly, does he need to do to show you that he's a good coach?
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He has to show me he can beat a 5-5 team when the playoffs are on the line. You and others act like the 10-2 is great, but he should be at least 11-1 and in the playoffs. The PAC12 is the West Coasts version of the ACC and he should roll teams like Clemson is doing. Chip was a superstar there, how is he doing now? Willie T showed progress there, how did he do at FSU?

Now would I take 10-2 at the moment, **** yeah, but not if it meant we underachieved. Mario did, same with 6-6 Manny. Neither are the solution to our problems. We are like $EC teams on date night and it is time we look beyond the framily stump for our next relationship.

Bottom line is Mario should be in the MNC hunt and he is not. Why? Because he is not a great coach. Want to go another four or five years after the failed Manny experiment wondering why we cannot win it all, hire Mario. But at least with Mario we may get back our wait until next year battle cry that we have lost with Manny who has left no hope.
 
kryptonite said:
So recruiter vs. coach...here's the thing. Our recruiting has been fine- not great, but pretty ok. We've got talent but we can't seem to win. That's coaching. So until we win the amount of games our talent says we should (let's say 9+ games 3 years in a row) we don't need better players, we need better coaches.

Recruiting's not our biggest problem, the other aspects of a HC's job are. Let's fix the biggest stuff firsts.
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Finally someone who knows football!!!
 
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The Canes are currently ranked 17th and Oregon 18th. Lets go easy on the whole, "Our class is ranked higher than Oregon stuff." Its all within the margins.
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Espn also has...
Miami 14th
Oregon 17th.

It's not that anyone is bragging about us being a ranked higher than Oregon it's just that everyone is saying Marion is this supreme recruiter and he's basically losing to Manny and the rest of the corches who lost to FIU. While Oregon has Phil Knight and almost unlimited reaources.....Think about that
 
In case you haven't heard, Cristobal went 27-47 in 6 years at FIU

He single handedly lost the Stanford and Auburn games due to poor game management. That is 100% inexcusable for a Professional coach.
 
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ItsAUThing.com said:
This.

Not to mention, Phil Knight ain't letting Mario get out of Eugene—not after four different head coaches for the Ducks between 2012 and 2018. They want stability and will pay Mario a mint to stick around.

Flowe went to Oregon as they've been a successful program for as long as Miami has been irrelevant. Wasn't a stretch for a California kid to head north. Dude wants to play for a winner—hence why Clemson was also his preferred destination, and why he shined Southern Cal just as quickly as he did the Canes.
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Oregon is nice and pretty, with pretty uniforms, for a pretty boy. **** him and his hat troll games.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Everything about Mario will be known next year. Look at his offensive depth chart.

He’ll be starting from scratch in 2020 with his guys.

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That defense though... Offensively they’ll struggle because they're losing a 1st round QB. They are returning the best LT in the country and if they can run the ball, play defense at a high level which they very much should with who they’re returning and bringing in, they’ll be ok. Easily still win the terrible Pac-12
 
It's a straw man argument if it's always framed as Luigi vs our current Lispy Loser.

Maybe let's reassess our love affair after Oregon gets worked in the Rose Bowl, all the Luigi apologists make excuses that Herbert was looking forward to the Draft and Cristobal continues on a pace of losing 3-4 games per year (at least 1-2 per year due specifically to HIS gameday corching) in a weak conference and now without a 1st round veteran QB that he inherited.
 
kryptonite said:
Nothing personal, but what makes that rumor any better than the others? I can just as easily say I heard we were all in on Mario, but he needed a private plane and a bowl of green m&ms so the BOT bailed on him.
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Because I think there are a couple CIS posters are actually friends with BOT members. I suppose you can call them liars, but there really isn't any reason to make up that story. It came out just after Diaz was hired, and lots of people didn't want Cristobal hired immediately after Richt.
 
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