Reflections of a Legend...

[deleted19096]

A majority of Miami fans dont want to hear that Richt/Diaz were out schemed and out coached.

These same fans also dont want to hear Wisconsin has less talent than Miami.

They want Rosier to be the scapegoat. Blame the refs, blame the depth, blame inexperience.

There was a reason why Diaz was fired from Texas and Richt fired from Georgia.

There is also a reason why Richt won an average of 10 games a season at Georgia

How many titles has he won at Georiga?

 

[Consigliere]

Defense really won the UVA game where they got ****ing torched for 4 qtrs and made the Toledo and Cuse QBs look like first round draft picks.

Winning 10 games with Rosier no matter whether it was the D or the O was a complete miracle.

If we are being honest Richt and the offensive staff overperformed this year vs last year with signficantly more talent on the offensive side of the ball in '16 while Diaz and co underperformed this year vs last year

We have actual data, we don't need to bullchit. Here are the actual stats (per game) from our ACC Regular Season Schedule:

2016 (averages): Defense

Points Allowed: 21.75 (This includes the 7 points on the STs TD against Pitt, the 100 Yard Return) [Actual Points Allowed is 20.875]
Yards Allowed: 397.75
Turnovers: 1.5
Sacks: 2.5
Tackles for Loss: 6.75

2016 (averages): Offense

Points Scored: 29.38 (This includes the 14 points the D scored against GT, 2 Fumble TDs) [Actual Points Scored is 27.625]
Yards Gained: 394.13
Turnovers: .63
Sacks: 2
Tackles for Loss: 5.5

2017 (averages): Defense

Points Allowed: 18.75 (This includes the 7 points on the STs onside kick flop against GT) [Actual Points Allowed is 17.875]
Yards Allowed: 368.25
Turnovers: 2.75
Sacks: 3.75
Tackles for Loss: 8.75

2017 (averages): Offense

Points Scored: 27.125 (This includes the 7 points the D scored against UVA, Johnson Pick 6) [Actual Points Scored is 26.25]
Yards Gained: 392.625
Turnovers: 1.25
Sacks: 2.375
Tackles for Loss: 5.375

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On one hand, you have a defense that improved drastically. On the other hand, you have a offense that regressed. Again, the reason why we performed better in 2017 was because of our defense.

Are you claiming our 2017 "improved drastically" over our 2016 defense? Because it didn't no matter how many stats you pull out. Our defense underachieved this year in a big way.

You could argue very easily that Rick got way more out of an offense missing some key players and being led by a below average QB than Diaz did with the material he had to work with on D.

1. Our offense regressed. You can say Richt did a great job or a chit job or somewhere in between but without our defense, we’re not in the ACCCG. A good OC had more than enough talent, a good OC isn’t relying on our defense so much. Please note, I am not saying we had more than enough talent to beat Clemson. I am saying we had more than enough to beat Pitt and Wisc. Like you said, give Chryst our QB, they’re still winning that game. They’re coach gets a lot more out of their inferior talent.

2. Our defense certainly can improve more. (To name some) We need to improve our DB play, on 3rd down and quit with the bullchit zone. But our defense did improve from last year. You don’t like the stats, fine.

3. As I already stated, if I can fix the coaching in only one area, my main concern is on the offense. After that, STs. This doesn’t mean I don’t want to make changes on D. This also doesn’t mean I am giving Diaz a pass. I am just less concerned with the D and more concerned with the primary issues we have.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

Offensive coaching staff did a much better job than the defensive staff. Not even that close. Defensive staff failed miserably

 

[ShadowSpring]

It’s a football discussion on a discussion board. If you think everything’s perfect then cool. Bow out because you’re not furthering the dialogue.

No one intelligent is advocating scrapping everything and starting from scratch.

The purpose of this discussion is to acknowledge the great things we’ve accomplished but to hope for some tweaks that might put us back amongst the elite. To sit there and say “everything’s great we just need better players” is useless.

Did I say improvement wasn't needed? I even stated I expect improvement in 2018.

There is also such a thing as continued improvement over an off-season. Constant improvement everywhere over time.

If you admit improvement is needed, then why did you make the dramatic "I don't get it" comment? Clearly, you do get it if you acknowledge that he needs to improve.

I don't get the negativity on this board in general right now. I especially don't understand the doubting of Richt as an offensive coach. They guys resume speaks for itself. He knows where we need to be and how to get there. The future of this squad under Richt in 2018 is really bright. If he lays an egg in 2018 then it'll be time to doubt.

I don't disagree with your OP. Was well written and objective. Well done.

Not sold on our OL coach. Maybe a move there would be worth a thought.

What about Richt's resume screams "offensive genius"? I'll hang up and listen.

Really?

For **** sakes.

When the guy gets a QB and OL some of y'all gonna have a short memory.

 

[ShadowSpring]

Offensive coaching staff did a much better job than the defensive staff. Not even that close. Defensive staff failed miserably

They definitely had a lot more to work with. Wouldn't describe it as a miserable failure myself but I feel ya.

 

[simplycanes]

Half glass empty, half glass full. You still can't take away the 10 wins. And don't give me that sh*t about how they should have been blow outs. Under Golden Showers we would have LOST those games. Rick has much room for improvement as anyone does. But the program is on the way up not down. That's a fact. Record and recruiting speaks for itself.

In regards to the offense, that wasn't why we won 10 games. It was because of the defense.

Defense really won the UVA game where they got ****ing torched for 4 qtrs and made the Toledo and Cuse QBs look like first round draft picks.


Winning 10 games with Rosier no matter whether it was the D or the O was a complete miracle.

If we are being honest Richt and the offensive staff overperformed this year vs last year with signficantly more talent on the offensive side of the ball in '16 while Diaz and co underperformed this year vs last year

I fail to to recall the Syracuse quarterback doing much of anything against us in the air.

He was 13/41 for 137 yards.

 

[Consigliere]

Did I say improvement wasn't needed? I even stated I expect improvement in 2018.

There is also such a thing as continued improvement over an off-season. Constant improvement everywhere over time.

If you admit improvement is needed, then why did you make the dramatic "I don't get it" comment? Clearly, you do get it if you acknowledge that he needs to improve.

I don't get the negativity on this board in general right now. I especially don't understand the doubting of Richt as an offensive coach. They guys resume speaks for itself. He knows where we need to be and how to get there. The future of this squad under Richt in 2018 is really bright. If he lays an egg in 2018 then it'll be time to doubt.

I don't disagree with your OP. Was well written and objective. Well done.

Not sold on our OL coach. Maybe a move there would be worth a thought.

What about Richt's resume screams "offensive genius"? I'll hang up and listen.

Really?

For **** sakes.

When the guy gets a QB and OL some of y'all gonna have a short memory.

Enjoy...

If you want to talk about the offense, then it is clear they did better on offense when Richt wasn't calling plays.

[Average Per Game Stats]

Richt as the OC

2001

Total Offense: 433
Scoring Offense: 29

2002

Total Offense: 385
Scoring Offense: 32

2003

Total Offense: 380
Scoring Offense: 27

2004

Total Offense: 405
Scoring Offense: 28

2005

Total Offense: 391
Scoring Offense: 30

2006

Total Offense: 312
Scoring Offense: 25

Average with Richt as the OC

Total Offense (avg): 384
Scoring Offense (avg): 28.5



Bobo as the OC

2007

Total Offense: 376
Scoring Offense: 33

2008

Total Offense: 426
Scoring Offense: 31

2009

Total Offense: 362
Scoring Offense: 29

2010

Total Offense: 385
Scoring Offense: 32

2011

Total Offense: 409
Scoring Offense: 32

2012

Total Offense: 468
Scoring Offense: 38


2013

Total Offense: 484
Scoring Offense: 37


2014

Total Offense: 459
Scoring Offense: 41

Average with Bobo as the OC

Total Offense (avg): 421
Scoring Offense (avg): 34.1

 

[ChosenOne]

FAU, UCF this year, Wiscy, VaTech and TCU are prime examples of coaching staffs that get more with less.

Diaz is average at best. At the start of the year the whole defense was jizzing themselves thinking they were gonna be a top 5 Def.

I'll bet anyone $1,000, fast forward a year and our def. will rank similarly to this year and underperform.

Va tech. Lmao

What? "Va Tech. Lmao"!?

You do understand that that VT has SIX MORE ACC championships appearances then we do, right? Their board is going crazy because of the possibility of finishing in the top 15 in recruiting for the first time since 2004.

A class outside the top 15 here is considered a failure.

 

[StoneWallLoungeCane]

FAU, UCF this year, Wiscy, VaTech and TCU are prime examples of coaching staffs that get more with less.

Diaz is average at best. At the start of the year the whole defense was jizzing themselves thinking they were gonna be a top 5 Def.

I'll bet anyone $1,000, fast forward a year and our def. will rank similarly to this year and underperform.

Va tech. Lmao

What? "Va Tech. Lmao"!?

You do understand that that VT has SIX MORE ACC championships appearances then we do, right? Their board is going crazy because of the possibility of finishing in the top 15 in recruiting for the first time since 2004.

A class outside the top 15 here is considered a failure.

Justin fuente has six acc championships?

 

[ChosenOne]

FAU, UCF this year, Wiscy, VaTech and TCU are prime examples of coaching staffs that get more with less.

Diaz is average at best. At the start of the year the whole defense was jizzing themselves thinking they were gonna be a top 5 Def.

I'll bet anyone $1,000, fast forward a year and our def. will rank similarly to this year and underperform.

Va tech. Lmao

What? "Va Tech. Lmao"!?

You do understand that that VT has SIX MORE ACC championships appearances then we do, right? Their board is going crazy because of the possibility of finishing in the top 15 in recruiting for the first time since 2004.

A class outside the top 15 here is considered a failure.

Justin fuente has six acc championships?

Pretty sure Cane6 said Va Tech not Fuente.. but he already has a ACC championship game appearance.

 

[ShadowSpring]

If you admit improvement is needed, then why did you make the dramatic "I don't get it" comment? Clearly, you do get it if you acknowledge that he needs to improve.

I don't get the negativity on this board in general right now. I especially don't understand the doubting of Richt as an offensive coach. They guys resume speaks for itself. He knows where we need to be and how to get there. The future of this squad under Richt in 2018 is really bright. If he lays an egg in 2018 then it'll be time to doubt.

I don't disagree with your OP. Was well written and objective. Well done.

Not sold on our OL coach. Maybe a move there would be worth a thought.

What about Richt's resume screams "offensive genius"? I'll hang up and listen.

Really?

For **** sakes.

When the guy gets a QB and OL some of y'all gonna have a short memory.

Enjoy...

If you want to talk about the offense, then it is clear they did better on offense when Richt wasn't calling plays.

[Average Per Game Stats]

Richt as the OC

2001

Total Offense: 433
Scoring Offense: 29

2002

Total Offense: 385
Scoring Offense: 32

2003

Total Offense: 380
Scoring Offense: 27

2004

Total Offense: 405
Scoring Offense: 28

2005

Total Offense: 391
Scoring Offense: 30

2006

Total Offense: 312
Scoring Offense: 25

Average with Richt as the OC

Total Offense (avg): 384
Scoring Offense (avg): 28.5



Bobo as the OC

2007

Total Offense: 376
Scoring Offense: 33

2008

Total Offense: 426
Scoring Offense: 31

2009

Total Offense: 362
Scoring Offense: 29

2010

Total Offense: 385
Scoring Offense: 32

2011

Total Offense: 409
Scoring Offense: 32

2012

Total Offense: 468
Scoring Offense: 38


2013

Total Offense: 484
Scoring Offense: 37


2014

Total Offense: 459
Scoring Offense: 41

Average with Bobo as the OC

Total Offense (avg): 421
Scoring Offense (avg): 34.1

Now go look up Richts stats at FSU. List all conference championships, the heisman winners, national championships, All-Americans, All-Conference, and NFL pro-bowlers he's coached at FSU. Add to that list all the conference championships, All-Americans, All-Conference, and NFL pro-bowlers he's coached at UGA. Both when he was calling the plays and when he was directing Bobo.

Now after all that, I dare anyone to say with a straight face Richt is not a good offensive coach. He has the best resume of any OC Miami has had in ages. Good luck finding anyone else with the above stats to match Richt.

The man knows what he's doing. He's always changed up his scheme and style of offense as time has gone along. He's adapted to different players and their strengths and weaknesses. He will put in the work this offseason to study what other teams are doing, learn some new stuff, do his homework, change up his scheme some, and teach the kids up he's got on the roster. He may even bring in some experienced help on the offensive staff as the 10th coach. Other than him he's surrounded by very young offensive staff still learning.

As far as someone else calling the plays, when Richt is confident he's got the ship going in the right direction he will most likely work in someone else. Either way the man knows what he's doing.

I am very confident in Mark Richt as an offensive coach and trust him to do the right things. If you wanna argue the contrary go ahead suit yourself. He's what we got. You can either b*tch about all the play calls you don't agree with or ride with the goatee pastor.

Give the man a QB and OL and in 2018 he will light up some teams. It's coming. Go Canes.

 

[Plzwork4]

The bowl game was painful to watch. When you recruit better than your opponent, you should beat your opponent, and that's especially true when you're playing them at home. They showed a graphic at one point where we have a boatload of 4 star guys on our team, and Wisconsin has something like 4.

Tip your cap to Chryst and Leonard. Chryst is low-key a top 5 HC in college football. They flat out took inferior material and beat us. They did a much better job than Rick and Diaz did.

They took a dude a kid Van Ginkel from Iowa Western, who nobody wanted, and turned him into a guy who was all over the field making huge football plays. Meanwhile, we have guys who are talking about going to the NFL early, and I don't think I saw them doing anything all night.

Our QB is bad, but so is theirs. You wouldn't have known it though watching the game. Diaz turned another bum QB into Joe Montana. For all the bathwater Diaz and his minions inhaled last year, he got worked this year. Switch jerseys for Rosier and Hornyfacquit, and they find a way to win with Rosier. And our fans would be killing Hornyfacquit the same way we are Rosier. Has anyone watched Benkert since he destroyed us? VT and Navy made him look like Kurt Benkert.

We are going to need to keep signing 4 and 5 stars, and I hope we tweak our staff a little. When we hired Rick some of us knew what we were getting. We were getting an excellent man, an experienced leader, and a proven 9 or 10 game winner. We needed a rock steady hire like him to right the ship that was pretty much sunken. Now, we need him to make some tweaks to his approach and his staff, and the 10th assistant will give him that chance.

We are a spread team, and we should be able to run the ball very well from the spread with the guys we have. That's not Rick's background though, and he could use a lot of help there. We need to hire an offensive whiz to help us with our spread rushing attack. The best in the business was Fart Briles. But he ran a rape house at Baylor, so there's no chance there. His son Kendall just set a bunch of records in 1 year at FAU, and he would DESTROY people with our talent. I know it's pie in the sky stuff because Rick might have too much ego, but I'd make a run at Kendall, and let him call plays.

Rick wants to coach, so he can coach the QBs full time. Let his son be the co-QB coach and learn the spread concepts under Briles. Then when Briles eventually moves on Jon can do what Rick probably intends for him to do--be the OC.

I'd tweak the D staff too. No need for 2 DB coaches, especially if they both have intern-level coaching experience. We need another monster recruiter on this staff. Can't afford to have a guy who only coaches CBs, if his CBs can't turn around and make plays on the football, and he can't recruit. You can't have your CBs getting worked by midget freshman WRs from Wisconsin. They lost their best WR too, but you wouldn't know it. His gig should depend on what we do with the AH 4.

Yet again you show your lack of actual athletic experience. No regard that WI had a group largely made up of juniors and seniors. If you actually played sports past intramural handball you would understand, but you didn't...so you don't. This theme consistently shows up in your posts. Just another black and white hard stance you take, and you will flail your fists in defense of it until your knuckles are cut to the bone...but you just don't get it.

 

[Plzwork4]

A majority of Miami fans dont want to hear that Richt/Diaz were out schemed and out coached.

These same fans also dont want to hear Wisconsin has less talent than Miami.

They want Rosier to be the scapegoat. Blame the refs, blame the depth, blame inexperience.

We don't want to hear it from people that don't have a fvckin clue...

 

[Consigliere]

Now go look up Richts stats at FSU. List all conference championships, the heisman winners, national championships, All-Americans, All-Conference, and NFL pro-bowlers he's coached at FSU. Add to that list all the conference championships, All-Americans, All-Conference, and NFL pro-bowlers he's coached at UGA. Both when he was calling the plays and when he was directing Bobo.

I stopped here for a few reasons (beside it being an atrocious response):

1. Richt isn't JUST the OC anymore. Are you aware of this? Do you know he is the HC as well? Do you understand the difference? Do you understand he is coaching the WHOLE team? Do you understand he is in charge of recruiting and every aspect of the team?

2. When Bobo took over, the team performed better on offense. There was a significant difference too. They already did the experiment on this and we don't have to speculate on what could happen if Richt wasn't the OC. This doesn't guarantee that the offense would be better with an actual OC (obviously we could make the wrong hire) but there is a tremendous amount of data on the experiment.

3. There is no reason to go back 15+ years for data because it isn't relevant anymore. The game has changed, a lot.

 

[SmokeyRone]

Year 1 with Richt we had bad losses.

Year 2 with Richt we had bad losses.

That isnt all on Kaaka or Rosier, or whatever excuse people want to come up with. It's ok to hold a guy nearing 20 years as a CEO accountable.

We also had good wins this year. First good wins since............'05 VT? It can be argued that with a QB, we are 12-0 and even with a ACC CG loss, roll Wisky in the bowl. With no depth, talent holes, a bad OL, a middle tier RB group, and key injuries.

I say hold him accountable if we are in '18 with the same deficiencies. Thats on him.

 

[canefan]

Defense really won the UVA game where they got ****ing torched for 4 qtrs and made the Toledo and Cuse QBs look like first round draft picks.

Winning 10 games with Rosier no matter whether it was the D or the O was a complete miracle.

If we are being honest Richt and the offensive staff overperformed this year vs last year with signficantly more talent on the offensive side of the ball in '16 while Diaz and co underperformed this year vs last year

We have actual data, we don't need to bullchit. Here are the actual stats (per game) from our ACC Regular Season Schedule:

2016 (averages): Defense

Points Allowed: 21.75 (This includes the 7 points on the STs TD against Pitt, the 100 Yard Return) [Actual Points Allowed is 20.875]
Yards Allowed: 397.75
Turnovers: 1.5
Sacks: 2.5
Tackles for Loss: 6.75

2016 (averages): Offense

Points Scored: 29.38 (This includes the 14 points the D scored against GT, 2 Fumble TDs) [Actual Points Scored is 27.625]
Yards Gained: 394.13
Turnovers: .63
Sacks: 2
Tackles for Loss: 5.5

2017 (averages): Defense

Points Allowed: 18.75 (This includes the 7 points on the STs onside kick flop against GT) [Actual Points Allowed is 17.875]
Yards Allowed: 368.25
Turnovers: 2.75
Sacks: 3.75
Tackles for Loss: 8.75

2017 (averages): Offense

Points Scored: 27.125 (This includes the 7 points the D scored against UVA, Johnson Pick 6) [Actual Points Scored is 26.25]
Yards Gained: 392.625
Turnovers: 1.25
Sacks: 2.375
Tackles for Loss: 5.375

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On one hand, you have a defense that improved drastically. On the other hand, you have a offense that regressed. Again, the reason why we performed better in 2017 was because of our defense.

Trubisky
Kizer
Francois
Evans
Finley
Peterman

vs.

Elliott
Wimbush
Blackman
Jackson
Dungy
Pickett


We played FAR SUPERIOR QBs in 2016. It ain't just about the numbers. Meanwhile this year we made true Frosh and ****** veterans look all world when they stepped on the field against us. Saying the defense improved drastically is just pulling the wool over your own eyes.

 

[The Franchise]

The bowl game was painful to watch. When you recruit better than your opponent, you should beat your opponent, and that's especially true when you're playing them at home. They showed a graphic at one point where we have a boatload of 4 star guys on our team, and Wisconsin has something like 4.

Tip your cap to Chryst and Leonard. Chryst is low-key a top 5 HC in college football. They flat out took inferior material and beat us. They did a much better job than Rick and Diaz did.

They took a dude a kid Van Ginkel from Iowa Western, who nobody wanted, and turned him into a guy who was all over the field making huge football plays. Meanwhile, we have guys who are talking about going to the NFL early, and I don't think I saw them doing anything all night.

Our QB is bad, but so is theirs. You wouldn't have known it though watching the game. Diaz turned another bum QB into Joe Montana. For all the bathwater Diaz and his minions inhaled last year, he got worked this year. Switch jerseys for Rosier and Hornyfacquit, and they find a way to win with Rosier. And our fans would be killing Hornyfacquit the same way we are Rosier. Has anyone watched Benkert since he destroyed us? VT and Navy made him look like Kurt Benkert.

We are going to need to keep signing 4 and 5 stars, and I hope we tweak our staff a little. When we hired Rick some of us knew what we were getting. We were getting an excellent man, an experienced leader, and a proven 9 or 10 game winner. We needed a rock steady hire like him to right the ship that was pretty much sunken. Now, we need him to make some tweaks to his approach and his staff, and the 10th assistant will give him that chance.

We are a spread team, and we should be able to run the ball very well from the spread with the guys we have. That's not Rick's background though, and he could use a lot of help there. We need to hire an offensive whiz to help us with our spread rushing attack. The best in the business was Fart Briles. But he ran a rape house at Baylor, so there's no chance there. His son Kendall just set a bunch of records in 1 year at FAU, and he would DESTROY people with our talent. I know it's pie in the sky stuff because Rick might have too much ego, but I'd make a run at Kendall, and let him call plays.

Rick wants to coach, so he can coach the QBs full time. Let his son be the co-QB coach and learn the spread concepts under Briles. Then when Briles eventually moves on Jon can do what Rick probably intends for him to do--be the OC.

I'd tweak the D staff too. No need for 2 DB coaches, especially if they both have intern-level coaching experience. We need another monster recruiter on this staff. Can't afford to have a guy who only coaches CBs, if his CBs can't turn around and make plays on the football, and he can't recruit. You can't have your CBs getting worked by midget freshman WRs from Wisconsin. They lost their best WR too, but you wouldn't know it. His gig should depend on what we do with the AH 4.

Yet again you show your lack of actual athletic experience. No regard that WI had a group largely made up of juniors and seniors. If you actually played sports past intramural handball you would understand, but you didn't...so you don't. This theme consistently shows up in your posts. Just another black and white hard stance you take, and you will flail your fists in defense of it until your knuckles are cut to the bone...but you just don't get it.

Your athletic experience consists of chasing me around CIS. Congratulations! You’re the Jim Thorpe of message board stalking and wounded feelings.

 

[Consigliere]

We played FAR SUPERIOR QBs in 2016. It ain't just about the numbers. Meanwhile this year we made true Frosh and ****ty veterans look all world when they stepped on the field against us. Saying the defense improved drastically is just pulling the wool over your own eyes.

Are you familiar that the teams/rosters change yearly? Did you read how the stats were from our in conference regular season performance?

I hate to break it to you, the defense did improve. It also didn't help that TOP is down from last season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/colleg...-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2018-01-08

 

[paksat]

We played FAR SUPERIOR QBs in 2016. It ain't just about the numbers. Meanwhile this year we made true Frosh and ****ty veterans look all world when they stepped on the field against us. Saying the defense improved drastically is just pulling the wool over your own eyes.

Are you familiar that the teams/rosters change yearly? Did you read how the stats were from our in conference regular season performance?

I hate to break it to you, the defense did improve. It also didn't help that TOP is down from last season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/colleg...-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2018-01-08

tell that to the linebackers

oh.. and the last 4 quarterbacks we faced

 

[Consigliere]

We played FAR SUPERIOR QBs in 2016. It ain't just about the numbers. Meanwhile this year we made true Frosh and ****ty veterans look all world when they stepped on the field against us. Saying the defense improved drastically is just pulling the wool over your own eyes.

Are you familiar that the teams/rosters change yearly? Did you read how the stats were from our in conference regular season performance?

I hate to break it to you, the defense did improve. It also didn't help that TOP is down from last season.

https://www.teamrankings.com/colleg...-time-of-possession-net-of-ot?date=2018-01-08

tell that to the linebackers

oh.. and the last 4 quarterbacks we faced

Another porst from a potato. What does ".." mean? When does the offense show up?

BTW: I am still laughing at this abortion of thread (below).

https://www.canesinsight.com/thread/final-defensive-rankings/128825