Redskin fans were OVERJOYED when Snyder brought back J.Gibbs

[Lazarre]

This is a really bad example because both of Joe Gibbs run as head coach as the Washington Redskins he took them further then any other coach in the teams history. His second run didn't lead to a super bowl but he didn't pull an Al Golden

 

[Mr. Dynasty1]

LMAOOO it hilarious how ppl, throw out any type of reasoning once you don't agree with bringing Butch back. Pathetic

 

[Dwinstitles]

how do u even compare these two

 

[TTTrojan4life]

Butch Davis is the right choice. I'd love to see the Canes hire him. They'll be back quick.

 

[MIATL]

Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,

We don't need to duplicate the same success. We don't need to have another 2001 team which was and still is the team of all ages. We need someone to rebuild this program and make it competitive again. Win us the ACC for once. Is that too much to ask? Which is less risky hire to achieve the simple goal of ACC win, Butch Davis or let's say Justin Fuente?

Objectively, Justin Fuente is the less risky hire.

Y'all are basing Butch projections on what he did at Miami 20 years ago, and what he did at UNC 10 years ago.

Fuente is doing what he's doing right now, and he's doing it at Memphis!

I get that this is an emotional subject ...

But this really isn't about what Butch did 20 years ago.

Do the same thing with Butch that people are asking to do with Mario. Take the name off the resume, and remove the Miami affiliation. Compare the UNC tenure of Butch to the Memphis tenure of Fuente ... Objectively, Fuente is the less risky candidate, today. What he's done in years 3 and 4 kills what Butch did in years 3 and 4. No comparison!

I know the BBB crew doesn't like it ... Won't accept it. But I have faith that rational readers and posters can get beyond the emotion, and grasp this.

No guarantees with Butch, and he's no safer a hire than Tom Herman, and is less safe than Fuente.

 

[Tad Footeball]

Remember that time when Joe Gibbs built up the Redskins roster to potentially be the greatest assembled team of all time but then Richie Petitbon got to win the Super Bowl with it? Oh wait, that never happened. That was Butch and Coker here. Joe Gibbs came back having already won 3 titles and with absolutely nothing to prove. Butch on the other hand has everything to prove and is seemingly hungry to do so.

 

[Southcane]

Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,

We don't need to duplicate the same success. We don't need to have another 2001 team which was and still is the team of all ages. We need someone to rebuild this program and make it competitive again. Win us the ACC for once. Is that too much to ask? Which is less risky hire to achieve the simple goal of ACC win, Butch Davis or let's say Justin Fuente?

Objectively, Justin Fuente is the less risky hire.

Y'all are basing Butch projections on what he did at Miami 20 years ago, and what he did at UNC 10 years ago.

Fuente is doing what he's doing right now, and he's doing it at Memphis!

I get that this is an emotional subject ...

But this really isn't about what Butch did 20 years ago.

Do the same thing with Butch that people are asking to do with Mario. Take the name off the resume, and remove the Miami affiliation. Compare the UNC tenure of Butch to the Memphis tenure of Fuente ... Objectively, Fuente is the less risky candidate, today. What he's done in years 3 and 4 kills what Butch did in years 3 and 4. No comparison!

I know the BBB crew doesn't like it ... Won't accept it. But I have faith that rational readers and posters can get beyond the emotion, and grasp this.

No guarantees with Butch, and he's no safer a hire than Tom Herman, and is less safe than Fuente.

No, I'm basing Butch projections on his proven qualities as a HC. The long track record. The sum of all required criteria to be a top notch HC. From evaluating players talent to evaluating his assistants to developing players, to send them to NFL, etc......................Tell me the young cubs have similar, proven qualities.

 

[MIATL]

Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,

We don't need to duplicate the same success. We don't need to have another 2001 team which was and still is the team of all ages. We need someone to rebuild this program and make it competitive again. Win us the ACC for once. Is that too much to ask? Which is less risky hire to achieve the simple goal of ACC win, Butch Davis or let's say Justin Fuente?

Objectively, Justin Fuente is the less risky hire.

Y'all are basing Butch projections on what he did at Miami 20 years ago, and what he did at UNC 10 years ago.

Fuente is doing what he's doing right now, and he's doing it at Memphis!

I get that this is an emotional subject ...

But this really isn't about what Butch did 20 years ago.

Do the same thing with Butch that people are asking to do with Mario. Take the name off the resume, and remove the Miami affiliation. Compare the UNC tenure of Butch to the Memphis tenure of Fuente ... Objectively, Fuente is the less risky candidate, today. What he's done in years 3 and 4 kills what Butch did in years 3 and 4. No comparison!

I know the BBB crew doesn't like it ... Won't accept it. But I have faith that rational readers and posters can get beyond the emotion, and grasp this.

No guarantees with Butch, and he's no safer a hire than Tom Herman, and is less safe than Fuente.

No, I'm basing Butch projections on his proven qualities as a HC. The long track record. The sum of all required criteria to be a top notch HC. From evaluating players talent to evaluating his assistants to developing players, to send them to NFL, etc......................Tell me the young cubs have similar, proven qualities.

That's emotion, and it's subjective.

If any of what you are stating was fact, someone who wants to win at the highest level would have hired him over the last 5 seasons ...

Texas didn't, Arkansas didn't, Auburn didn't, Louisville didn't, Florida didn't, Southern Cal didn't.

Why would all of these power schools overlook Butch Davis, if he's such a can't miss coach? Why wouldn't they want the guy to stock their roster with players? Why didn't any of those AD make Butch their priority hire to develop their players, and send them to the NFL?

Try to remove the emotion, if you respond ...

 

[Canes21]

Butch has been under investigation for a while. Now he's been cleared after 10 investigations.

 

[The Franchise]

Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,

We don't need to duplicate the same success. We don't need to have another 2001 team which was and still is the team of all ages. We need someone to rebuild this program and make it competitive again. Win us the ACC for once. Is that too much to ask? Which is less risky hire to achieve the simple goal of ACC win, Butch Davis or let's say Justin Fuente?

Objectively, Justin Fuente is the less risky hire.

Y'all are basing Butch projections on what he did at Miami 20 years ago, and what he did at UNC 10 years ago.

Fuente is doing what he's doing right now, and he's doing it at Memphis!

I get that this is an emotional subject ...

But this really isn't about what Butch did 20 years ago.

Do the same thing with Butch that people are asking to do with Mario. Take the name off the resume, and remove the Miami affiliation. Compare the UNC tenure of Butch to the Memphis tenure of Fuente ... Objectively, Fuente is the less risky candidate, today. What he's done in years 3 and 4 kills what Butch did in years 3 and 4. No comparison!

I know the BBB crew doesn't like it ... Won't accept it. But I have faith that rational readers and posters can get beyond the emotion, and grasp this.

No guarantees with Butch, and he's no safer a hire than Tom Herman, and is less safe than Fuente.

No, I'm basing Butch projections on his proven qualities as a HC. The long track record. The sum of all required criteria to be a top notch HC. From evaluating players talent to evaluating his assistants to developing players, to send them to NFL, etc......................Tell me the young cubs have similar, proven qualities.

That's emotion, and it's subjective.

If any of what you are stating was fact, someone who wants to win at the highest level would have hired him over the last 5 seasons ...

Texas didn't, Arkansas didn't, Auburn didn't, Louisville didn't, Florida didn't, Southern Cal didn't.

Why would all of these power schools overlook Butch Davis, if he's such a can't miss coach? Why wouldn't they want the guy to stock their roster with players? Why didn't any of those AD make Butch their priority hire to develop their players, and send them to the NFL?

Try to remove the emotion, if you respond ...

There's nothing speculative or emotional about Davis's ability to evaluate and develop talent and stock rosters. He's done it twice at the two jobs he's had.

I think he's a pretty certain thing based on what he's done twice at this level of football. The problem is that the certainty with Davis is his ability to stock a roster and consistently win 8 or 9 games. There's absolutely no certainty that he can get beyond that or that he can get you to a championship level quickly.

Dudes are certainly romanticizing Davis. No question. And I've yet to see anyone give a well-reasoned explanation as to why he couldn't win more than 8 games in the ****** Coastal at UNC with the enormous talent he stockpiled there.

 

[Canes21]

We don't need to duplicate the same success. We don't need to have another 2001 team which was and still is the team of all ages. We need someone to rebuild this program and make it competitive again. Win us the ACC for once. Is that too much to ask? Which is less risky hire to achieve the simple goal of ACC win, Butch Davis or let's say Justin Fuente?

Objectively, Justin Fuente is the less risky hire.

Y'all are basing Butch projections on what he did at Miami 20 years ago, and what he did at UNC 10 years ago.

Fuente is doing what he's doing right now, and he's doing it at Memphis!

I get that this is an emotional subject ...

But this really isn't about what Butch did 20 years ago.

Do the same thing with Butch that people are asking to do with Mario. Take the name off the resume, and remove the Miami affiliation. Compare the UNC tenure of Butch to the Memphis tenure of Fuente ... Objectively, Fuente is the less risky candidate, today. What he's done in years 3 and 4 kills what Butch did in years 3 and 4. No comparison!

I know the BBB crew doesn't like it ... Won't accept it. But I have faith that rational readers and posters can get beyond the emotion, and grasp this.

No guarantees with Butch, and he's no safer a hire than Tom Herman, and is less safe than Fuente.

No, I'm basing Butch projections on his proven qualities as a HC. The long track record. The sum of all required criteria to be a top notch HC. From evaluating players talent to evaluating his assistants to developing players, to send them to NFL, etc......................Tell me the young cubs have similar, proven qualities.

That's emotion, and it's subjective.

If any of what you are stating was fact, someone who wants to win at the highest level would have hired him over the last 5 seasons ...

Texas didn't, Arkansas didn't, Auburn didn't, Louisville didn't, Florida didn't, Southern Cal didn't.

Why would all of these power schools overlook Butch Davis, if he's such a can't miss coach? Why wouldn't they want the guy to stock their roster with players? Why didn't any of those AD make Butch their priority hire to develop their players, and send them to the NFL?

Try to remove the emotion, if you respond ...

There's nothing speculative or emotional about Davis's ability to evaluate and develop talent and stock rosters. He's done it twice at the two jobs he's had.

I think he's a pretty certain thing based on what he's done twice at this level of football. The problem is that the certainty with Davis is his ability to stock a roster and consistently win 8 or 9 games. There's absolutely no certainty that he can get beyond that or that he can get you to a championship level quickly.

Dudes are certainly romanticizing Davis. No question. And I've yet to see anyone give a well-reasoned explanation as to why he couldn't win more than 8 games in the ****** Coastal at UNC with the enormous talent he stockpiled there.

Half of his team was suspended and he had a terrible OC which is his own fault.

 

[SJMPARMAN]

I live in North Virginia and this is not a good example. First Gibbs came back because he was ASKED and not because he WANTED the job. Second, he made it clear he would restore the Redskins identity but only for a max of four years. He had no intention of retiring as a Redskin coach. Third, he groomed a successor, defensive coordinator Greg Williams, and Dan Snyder f'ed that up and went in a different direction by choosing Zorn when the team wanted Williams. The Redskins then de-emphasized the defensive presence Gibbs restored and Zorn did some crazy chit that alienated the players, especially the superstars. Dan Snyder has a long history of making wrong moves, it just isn't even comparable to bringing back Butch. The NFL is different to college, ask Saban after his stint in Miami.

 

[Southcane]

Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,

We don't need to duplicate the same success. We don't need to have another 2001 team which was and still is the team of all ages. We need someone to rebuild this program and make it competitive again. Win us the ACC for once. Is that too much to ask? Which is less risky hire to achieve the simple goal of ACC win, Butch Davis or let's say Justin Fuente?

Objectively, Justin Fuente is the less risky hire.

Y'all are basing Butch projections on what he did at Miami 20 years ago, and what he did at UNC 10 years ago.

Fuente is doing what he's doing right now, and he's doing it at Memphis!

I get that this is an emotional subject ...

But this really isn't about what Butch did 20 years ago.

Do the same thing with Butch that people are asking to do with Mario. Take the name off the resume, and remove the Miami affiliation. Compare the UNC tenure of Butch to the Memphis tenure of Fuente ... Objectively, Fuente is the less risky candidate, today. What he's done in years 3 and 4 kills what Butch did in years 3 and 4. No comparison!

I know the BBB crew doesn't like it ... Won't accept it. But I have faith that rational readers and posters can get beyond the emotion, and grasp this.

No guarantees with Butch, and he's no safer a hire than Tom Herman, and is less safe than Fuente.

No, I'm basing Butch projections on his proven qualities as a HC. The long track record. The sum of all required criteria to be a top notch HC. From evaluating players talent to evaluating his assistants to developing players, to send them to NFL, etc......................Tell me the young cubs have similar, proven qualities.

That's emotion, and it's subjective.

If any of what you are stating was fact, someone who wants to win at the highest level would have hired him over the last 5 seasons ...

Texas didn't, Arkansas didn't, Auburn didn't, Louisville didn't, Florida didn't, Southern Cal didn't.

Why would all of these power schools overlook Butch Davis, if he's such a can't miss coach? Why wouldn't they want the guy to stock their roster with players? Why didn't any of those AD make Butch their priority hire to develop their players, and send them to the NFL?

Try to remove the emotion, if you respond ...

He was scapegoated at UNC, fired in one of the worst academic cheating in NCAA history that has been going on for very long time, way before he was hired there. Still, his name was tarnished. We also don't know if he showed any interest in coaching at any of those schools you mentioned, especially he was hired by ESPN and given a nice job. Many who work at ESPN don't want to leave their cozy job. Schools normally send feelers to gauge interest before anything is leaked about candidates they research.
What is emotional about proven HC qualities? His assistant coaches are still coaching in college and the NFL. What's emotional about that?
The number of first draft picked players he developed, what's emotional about that?

 

[Rellyrell]

Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,

What great success did Walsh have his first time around in the college game? He won something like 8 games a year at Stanford. Pretty sure his 2nd run in college was pretty equal to his first run--neither was anything to brag about.

John Robinson during his first stint at USC: won 8, 9, and 8 his last 3 years.
John Robinson during his second stint at USC: won 8, 8 and 9 his first 3 years.

Franchise, good lookin' b/c I sure was about to post the same stats.

These losers are really trying hard by bringing in some poor examples.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

That's all fine and you have a great point. There is no such thing as a sure thing. Having said that and conceded your point to you, that is not a good enough reason not to hire him. I don't think that the fact that others have failed after going back to a place they were successful before is reason enough not to hire Butch again. I think these things are best judged on a case by case basis.

Like I said, as adults we know that there is no such thing as a sure thing or an absolute certainty. I as well as most Butch supporters here know very well that there is a possibility that things don't work out this time around. We don't know if Tom Herman would work out(I think he would) or Fuente or anyone else for that matter. What I also know is that the past 3 hires haven't worked out and it wasn't close save for Coker who gravy trained a title off of Butch's recruits and foundation.

I'm not looking at a potential Butch Davis hire as a 100% surefire certainty for success but I do think that it is simultaneously the best, the safest and most prudent hire we can make given where we are, where we have been and where we want to go.

 

[Rellyrell]

Remember that time when Joe Gibbs built up the Redskins roster to potentially be the greatest assembled team of all time but then Richie Petitbon got to win the Super Bowl with it? Oh wait, that never happened. That was Butch and Coker here. Joe Gibbs came back having already won 3 titles and with absolutely nothing to prove. Butch on the other hand has everything to prove and is seemingly hungry to do so.

Good point; plus it's well known the Joe's heart wasn't into it the next go round. It was a token service. Butch is ANXIOUS to prove something. Something totally different than OPs wack example

 

[TreOFive]

all these "new" accounts come o here to butch bash....fuggin infiltrators working for the admin

 

[Hurricane7]

Not Joe Gibbs example, but 3 great college coaches couldn't come close to duplicating the same success the next time around in majors, Walsh(rip), and Robinson,

We don't need to duplicate the same success. We don't need to have another 2001 team which was and still is the team of all ages. We need someone to rebuild this program and make it competitive again. Win us the ACC for once. Is that too much to ask? Which is less risky hire to achieve the simple goal of ACC win, Butch Davis or let's say Justin Fuente?

Objectively, Justin Fuente is the less risky hire.

Y'all are basing Butch projections on what he did at Miami 20 years ago, and what he did at UNC 10 years ago.

Fuente is doing what he's doing right now, and he's doing it at Memphis!

I get that this is an emotional subject ...

But this really isn't about what Butch did 20 years ago.

Do the same thing with Butch that people are asking to do with Mario. Take the name off the resume, and remove the Miami affiliation. Compare the UNC tenure of Butch to the Memphis tenure of Fuente ... Objectively, Fuente is the less risky candidate, today. What he's done in years 3 and 4 kills what Butch did in years 3 and 4. No comparison!

I know the BBB crew doesn't like it ... Won't accept it. But I have faith that rational readers and posters can get beyond the emotion, and grasp this.

No guarantees with Butch, and he's no safer a hire than Tom Herman, and is less safe than Fuente.

I understand what you're saying. You're concerned that all this lobbying for Butch is based on emotion and nostalgia. Sounds rather cavalier though to describe your view as "objective" and "rational" How is a guy who was already tremendously successful in this job "less safe" than a guy who has only 3 1/2 years head coaching experience and never coached in a power 5 conference? Fuente has rejuvenated Memphis' program congrats. Al Golden did the same thing at Temple but failed miserably at this job. I'm also not saying that Butch would be guaranteed to have success in a second stint. However he is SIGNIFICANTLY more likely to have success in this job than any of the other candidates simply because he has already done it before.

 

[gacaneaddict]

John Robinson had 3 diuble digit seasons at usc first time won

11
12
11

Won a NC.

He was fired his 2nd go around never winning 10 or more.

Johnny majors same thing, didn't win the 2nd time around.

Walsh (rip) was 17-7 first time at Stanford, 17-14-1 2nd time.

 

[supacane]

Also, Gators fans DESPERATELY wanted Foley to bring back Spurrier after the Zooker was sh*tcanned, yet he decided to go with Urban Meyer. I think that worked out well for Florida.

Spurrier would have killed it at Gainesville. He won 11,games 3 years at South Carolina. That takes some doing. You people want to act like every situation is the same. Gibbs gave up football all together.