Recruiting: Al vs Richt

[lauderdaleballer]

Anything is better than what we had.

I'll take Al Golden over Mike London and Randy Edsal

Thats like saying you would rather eat vomit than eat sh:t.

Btw London beat Al's brain in with much less talent. London>Golden.

Ironically both coaches beat Al less talent.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I thought D wins titles, D?? lol.

Defensive recruits wins titles.

No but foreal notice how miami went after the studs and lsu fsu and bama had us hding our diks on NSD. That cripples your roster and they became great by doing it

 

[Dwinstitles]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

 

[maurice3p]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

Imagine Alex Collins paired up with Duke Johnson?
Stacy Coley with Calvin Ridley & Antonio Callaway?
Skai Moore with Jermaine Grace?
Artie Burns with Mackensie Alexander/JC Jackson?

Golden missed on too many ELITE talent. These are just local guys too.

 

[Orangebowl]

As long as Richt isn't trying to get everybody from New Jersey to join the canes as Golden did I'm good.

 

[Timcanes]

As long as Richt isn't trying to get everybody from New Jersey to join the canes as Golden did I'm good.

Yet two of our best players this yr are from NJ in Njoku and Quan.

 

[marshallrc13]

It just makes sense. I would rather the kid be for sure or as close to it as possible before he pulls the trigger.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

Imagine Alex Collins paired up with Duke Johnson?
Stacy Coley with Calvin Ridley & Antonio Callaway?
Skai Moore with Jermaine Grace?
Artie Burns with Mackensie Alexander/JC Jackson?

Golden missed on too many ELITE talent. These are just local guys too.

Exactly and the list is even bigger amari cooper cook, its way bigger. If Mark strikes out on the trail he wontwin either, because thats where its won in sfla. When we win we are recruiting elite ayers when we lose we arent its that simple. Theres no magic plays thats goingto make malcom lewis turninto amari cooper, thats how i look at it.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

Imagine Alex Collins paired up with Duke Johnson?
Stacy Coley with Calvin Ridley & Antonio Callaway?
Skai Moore with Jermaine Grace?
Artie Burns with Mackensie Alexander/JC Jackson?

Golden missed on too many ELITE talent. These are just local guys too.

What used toget me mad was posters saying he recruited well, i used to look at the roster and say to myself how is he recruitingwell when on nsd we getting raped yearly.

 

[section9]

The fact that we missed on so many guys that up the road to Tallahassee tells the tale.

That won't happen to Richt, but Richt won't beg, either. He'll get Canes.

 

[kmwcane]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

So coaching is only 20% of the equation? Wow.

You keep pointing to Alabama as your example of "recruiting wins" but you are discounting the fact that Saban is actually a phenomenal coach of the game of football that surrounds himself with other great coaches. Coaching football is so much more than just playcalling; it's about teaching technique, discipline, managing a roster, strength and conditioning, etc... Nick Saban is great because he checks every single detail possible. As a result his teams are disciplined, rarely beat themselves and the players are put in a position to succeed on the field. Then you combine this great coaching with the talent he brings in and you see what happens.

You point to Jimbo Fisher but again that makes my point. I agree, Jimbo is not a great coach. FSU is more talented than every team they play each year, yet they lost three games last year for example. Yes, Fisher won a title but that was mainly due to Jameis Winston. A truly great QB like Winston can mask most coaching deficiencies - see Vince Young/Mack Brown, Cam Newton/Gene Chizik, etc.

Miami's great teams combined great coaching and great players, it wasn't just great players that made Miami. If it is all about recruiting and "out talenting' the other team, how did the 2003 Miami Hurricanes lose to Virginia Tech and Tennessee? Please explain why Miami has lost to teams with much less talent over the past decade or so? It is because of coaching.

 

[Canemang]

Anything is better than what we had.

I'll take Al Golden over Mike London and Randy Edsal

 

[Dirty Sprite]

Anything is better than what we had.

I'll take Al Golden over Mike London and Randy Edsal

Smh You're saying you would take the worst coach on any level of cfb history over somebody else???

 

[TheEye]

Anything is better than what we had.

I'll take Al Golden over Mike London and Randy Edsal

Smh You're saying you would take the worst coach on any level of cfb history over somebody else???

He would prefer the Det. Lions TE COACH over their Special Teams research coach.

 

[themonsta15]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

So coaching is only 20% of the equation? Wow.

You keep pointing to Alabama as your example of "recruiting wins" but you are discounting the fact that Saban is actually a phenomenal coach of the game of football that surrounds himself with other great coaches. Coaching football is so much more than just playcalling; it's about teaching technique, discipline, managing a roster, strength and conditioning, etc... Nick Saban is great because he checks every single detail possible. As a result his teams are disciplined, rarely beat themselves and the players are put in a position to succeed on the field. Then you combine this great coaching with the talent he brings in and you see what happens.

You point to Jimbo Fisher but again that makes my point. I agree, Jimbo is not a great coach. FSU is more talented than every team they play each year, yet they lost three games last year for example. Yes, Fisher won a title but that was mainly due to Jameis Winston. A truly great QB like Winston can mask most coaching deficiencies - see Vince Young/Mack Brown, Cam Newton/Gene Chizik, etc.

Miami's great teams combined great coaching and great players, it wasn't just great players that made Miami. If it is all about recruiting and "out talenting' the other team, how did the 2003 Miami Hurricanes lose to Virginia Tech and Tennessee? Please explain why Miami has lost to teams with much less talent over the past decade or so? It is because of coaching.

Id love to see how many game jimbo flat out lost because i've never seen them blown out other than oregon..houston beat them but to say winston made him when he was winning with ej manuel is crazy talk. That 2013 team was so loaded morris could have won a natty in tally that year.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

So coaching is only 20% of the equation? Wow.

You keep pointing to Alabama as your example of "recruiting wins" but you are discounting the fact that Saban is actually a phenomenal coach of the game of football that surrounds himself with other great coaches. Coaching football is so much more than just playcalling; it's about teaching technique, discipline, managing a roster, strength and conditioning, etc... Nick Saban is great because he checks every single detail possible. As a result his teams are disciplined, rarely beat themselves and the players are put in a position to succeed on the field. Then you combine this great coaching with the talent he brings in and you see what happens.

You point to Jimbo Fisher but again that makes my point. I agree, Jimbo is not a great coach. FSU is more talented than every team they play each year, yet they lost three games last year for example. Yes, Fisher won a title but that was mainly due to Jameis Winston. A truly great QB like Winston can mask most coaching deficiencies - see Vince Young/Mack Brown, Cam Newton/Gene Chizik, etc.

Miami's great teams combined great coaching and great players, it wasn't just great players that made Miami. If it is all about recruiting and "out talenting' the other team, how did the 2003 Miami Hurricanes lose to Virginia Tech and Tennessee? Please explain why Miami has lost to teams with much less talent over the past decade or so? It is because of coaching.

To me imo its who u get atthecollege level and of course they have tofit whatu do. But im with the greatjimmy johnson and butch d. If u get the beat players or have the eye to see whos goingto be elite u get them u win.

 

[Dwinstitles]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

So coaching is only 20% of the equation? Wow.

You keep pointing to Alabama as your example of "recruiting wins" but you are discounting the fact that Saban is actually a phenomenal coach of the game of football that surrounds himself with other great coaches. Coaching football is so much more than just playcalling; it's about teaching technique, discipline, managing a roster, strength and conditioning, etc... Nick Saban is great because he checks every single detail possible. As a result his teams are disciplined, rarely beat themselves and the players are put in a position to succeed on the field. Then you combine this great coaching with the talent he brings in and you see what happens.

You point to Jimbo Fisher but again that makes my point. I agree, Jimbo is not a great coach. FSU is more talented than every team they play each year, yet they lost three games last year for example. Yes, Fisher won a title but that was mainly due to Jameis Winston. A truly great QB like Winston can mask most coaching deficiencies - see Vince Young/Mack Brown, Cam Newton/Gene Chizik, etc.

Miami's great teams combined great coaching and great players, it wasn't just great players that made Miami. If it is all about recruiting and "out talenting' the other team, how did the 2003 Miami Hurricanes lose to Virginia Tech and Tennessee? Please explain why Miami has lost to teams with much less talent over the past decade or so? It is because of coaching.

Id love to see how many game jimbo flat out lost because i've never seen them blown out other than oregon..houston beat them but to say winston made him when he was winning with ej manuel is crazy talk. That 2013 team was so loaded morris could have won a natty in tally that year.

Exactly fsu defense was loaded and he won without Winston. Even without winston they dominated the acc based on recruiting

 

[Era66]

Anything is better than what we had.

I'll take Al Golden over Mike London and Randy Edsal

This is like comparing the tallest midget in the room.

 

[kmwcane]

Recruiting wins titles

If Mark can close and not get bytched around like the last 3 staffs he will win

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

So coaching is only 20% of the equation? Wow.

You keep pointing to Alabama as your example of "recruiting wins" but you are discounting the fact that Saban is actually a phenomenal coach of the game of football that surrounds himself with other great coaches. Coaching football is so much more than just playcalling; it's about teaching technique, discipline, managing a roster, strength and conditioning, etc... Nick Saban is great because he checks every single detail possible. As a result his teams are disciplined, rarely beat themselves and the players are put in a position to succeed on the field. Then you combine this great coaching with the talent he brings in and you see what happens.

You point to Jimbo Fisher but again that makes my point. I agree, Jimbo is not a great coach. FSU is more talented than every team they play each year, yet they lost three games last year for example. Yes, Fisher won a title but that was mainly due to Jameis Winston. A truly great QB like Winston can mask most coaching deficiencies - see Vince Young/Mack Brown, Cam Newton/Gene Chizik, etc.

Miami's great teams combined great coaching and great players, it wasn't just great players that made Miami. If it is all about recruiting and "out talenting' the other team, how did the 2003 Miami Hurricanes lose to Virginia Tech and Tennessee? Please explain why Miami has lost to teams with much less talent over the past decade or so? It is because of coaching.

Id love to see how many game jimbo flat out lost because i've never seen them blown out other than oregon..houston beat them but to say winston made him when he was winning with ej manuel is crazy talk. That 2013 team was so loaded morris could have won a natty in tally that year.

Fisher was losing, and most of the time to lesser talented teams, prior to the arrival of Winston. For example:

2010 = Oklahoma, NC State, UNC and VT
2011 = Oklahoma, Clemson, Wake Forest, UVA
2012 = NC State, Florida

Then 2015 without Winston equaled losses to Georgia Tech, Clemson and Houston.

 

[Dwinstitles]

I think even the best recruiters need to show recruits they can out coach opposing sidelines. Once we prove that, the wall around the state of Miami goes up.

The best recruiters get the head coach position and hit the ground running before they step on the field. I remember and i hate to beat the dead horse but Jimbo took over fsu and u saw what he was doing. He was losing his first year and was competeing and taking multiple kids away from bama, it was a matter of time before he won. I never consideed the guy a genius, it shows u cfb is 80% recruiting if u want to win a championship. Most teams that have won titles never win because of awesome playcalling they out talent u

So coaching is only 20% of the equation? Wow.

You keep pointing to Alabama as your example of "recruiting wins" but you are discounting the fact that Saban is actually a phenomenal coach of the game of football that surrounds himself with other great coaches. Coaching football is so much more than just playcalling; it's about teaching technique, discipline, managing a roster, strength and conditioning, etc... Nick Saban is great because he checks every single detail possible. As a result his teams are disciplined, rarely beat themselves and the players are put in a position to succeed on the field. Then you combine this great coaching with the talent he brings in and you see what happens.

You point to Jimbo Fisher but again that makes my point. I agree, Jimbo is not a great coach. FSU is more talented than every team they play each year, yet they lost three games last year for example. Yes, Fisher won a title but that was mainly due to Jameis Winston. A truly great QB like Winston can mask most coaching deficiencies - see Vince Young/Mack Brown, Cam Newton/Gene Chizik, etc.

Miami's great teams combined great coaching and great players, it wasn't just great players that made Miami. If it is all about recruiting and "out talenting' the other team, how did the 2003 Miami Hurricanes lose to Virginia Tech and Tennessee? Please explain why Miami has lost to teams with much less talent over the past decade or so? It is because of coaching.

Id love to see how many game jimbo flat out lost because i've never seen them blown out other than oregon..houston beat them but to say winston made him when he was winning with ej manuel is crazy talk. That 2013 team was so loaded morris could have won a natty in tally that year.

Fisher was losing, and most of the time to lesser talented teams, prior to the arrival of Winston. For example:

2010 = Oklahoma, NC State, UNC and VT
2011 = Oklahoma, Clemson, Wake Forest, UVA
2012 = NC State, Florida

Then 2015 without Winston equaled losses to Georgia Tech, Clemson and Houston.

Yea but everyone with a brain knew he would win based on the prospects he was landing. They were re ruiting on a different level when jimbo took over