Recall some of the "gurus" said Ivey lacked long speed?

[NasaCane]

You don’t need to be a true burner at corner. Especially when you’re over 6ft.

I see Ivey as a Richard Sherman type.

Sherman was a high 4.5 guy at the combine.

There’s a false idea that you have to be a 4.3 guy to play the position. Not true at all.

If you understand the tells of the route tree...you can make up for lack of speed by having strong anticipation and quick change of direction.

The best corners combine those abilities with elite speed.

Ivey is a very good athlete. Speed be damned. He can play.

Food for thought - Quincy Wilson and Taber were pretty **** good at Florida. Check their combine 40 times when you get a chance.

 

[jjacks93]

LMFAO. You trying way to hard to quantify this chit. Give it a rest boss. Dude had a bad day. If you knew anything about track you wouldn't be postin this bs. He obviously had a bad day, undisclosed injury or whatever. Who cares? I told you if you can a 47 you can run period. That's all you need to know.

Just like after awhile you're post get worse and worse if you have female shoulders. Fingers n chit get tired typing after about 10 mins, fatigue steps in




Rubbish. Cook obviously had a bad day, some undisclosed injury I dunno. Don't matter. I already knew he was faster than 4.7 cause the kid posted a dam 47 qtr which is rollin. All the people who said he couldn't run because of the 4.7 40 just didn't know what they didn't know.

If you can run 47 you can run faster than a 4.7 ion the 40 plain and simple. technomegatron was one of the guys who tried to disprove my simple comment but here we are in 2018 and cook posting 10.6/10.5 100m times lmao and then trying to pretend it didn't happen lmao.

So what you’re saying is ...if you can run 47 you can run ? Simple as that ? You might need to say it 80 additional more times I don’t think everyone got it

 

[Combo]

You don’t need to be a true burner at corner. Especially when you’re over 6ft.

I see Ivey as a Richard Sherman type.

Sherman was a high 4.5 guy at the combine.

There’s a false idea that you have to be a 4.3 guy to play the position. Not true at all.

If you understand the tells of the route tree...you can make up for lack of speed by having strong anticipation and quick change of direction.

The best corners combine those abilities with elite speed.

Ivey is a very good athlete. Speed be damned. He can play.

Food for thought - Quincy Wilson and Taber were pretty **** good at Florida. Check their combine 40 times when you get a chance.

The vast majority of starting CBs in the NFL don't run a 4.3. Moreover, there are very few people in the World that run a legitimate electronically-timed 40. I do think speed is very important for a successful CB. It's just that a legitimate 4.5 40 is really fast.

 

[CaliforniaCanes]

The vast majority of starting CBs in the NFL don't run a 4.3. Moreover, there are very few people in the World that run a legitimate electronically-timed 40. I do think speed is very important for a successful CB. It's just that a legitimate 4.5 40 is really fast.

It certainly doesn't hurt though!

 

[canes614]

The reason many question his speed ....like dmoney said no recorded 100 or 40 times....also add no deep balls seen on hs film....he does show good change of direction and closing speed in the box....just nothing to show his deep ball cover skills...i hope can run at least fast enough to cover a deep threat....we shall find out very soon...

 

[stb]

Thought this article was about DJ Ivey and his long speed.

 

[Insanecane]

We have 4 healthy defensive ends right now......

 

[Miami Nights]

1. Noone who knows anything about track counts windy races, much less excessively windy ones. You are too dumb to be embarrassed, unfortunately.

2. You’re lying, again, about what you/I said. I never had a conversation about Cook; I commented on Ivey, specifically. You’re purposely trying to change the argument and lie about what you/I said. But to address your point that a 47 makes you a 10.5 sprinter is ignorant and *** backwards. A 10.5 sprinter (which Cook isn’t as of now) is more likely to run a 47, than a 47 quartermiler is to run a 10.5. A distinction and a difference.

3. Cook didn’t prove you right, you’re just too stupid about track to realize that. And, I’m laughing at you highlighting your 47.9 as some sort of benchmark for speed. LMAO!

Raise your game, little boy.

My point that 47 makes you a 10.5 sprinter? SMH naw B you made that chit up dummy. My point is if you can run a 47 qtr you can run. How many times do I need to say it for you to get it right? You can add in BS about wind aided times all you want and make up stupid chit to spice up your tired *** post. Meaningless to me. Cook has already proven he has legit speed which is what I've said all along. 10.53-10.6 who goives a funk cook can run plain and simple and that was at the end of march. He can get better.

My point still stands... cook can run. Prove that wrong and you win fruit pop.

 

[Miami Nights]

What a stupid *** statement. LMAO! 4.7 isn’t necessarily slow. An athlete can get to sub-48 from 4.7. You’re just proving how little you know track, which shows me that you never ran or coached the times.

Dude, you lost. Stop lying about it.

exactly! Something I’ve also posted about on every occasion.

What? 4.7 is slow as ***. If 4.7 is your best then your speed is trash. 4.7? lmfao. Now you're trying to tell me a guy with 4.7 speed can run a 48 qtr? Lmfao. Somebody slap this guy for me. 4.7? lmao

 

[Dwinstitles]

Getting back to Ivey..... still concerned about his speed until I see differently. Don't care about a random sentence in some article.

Yup have to see it during the game film thats the only way to be sure

 

[Dwinstitles]

What? 4.7 is slow as ***. If 4.7 is your best then your speed is trash. 4.7? lmfao. Now you're trying to tell me a guy with 4.7 speed can run a 48 qtr? Lmfao. Somebody slap this guy for me. 4.7? lmao

I do not like 4.7's at running back, at least for me and other coaches as well. To me Cook should be a corner thats his money spot if he has a money spot.

 

[Miami Nights]

100m and vs 1st step to 40 are different. Cook doesn’t look explosive and nobody reported anything about an injury.

Cook doesn't "look" explosive? Ok

You don’t need to be a true burner at corner. Especially when you’re over 6ft.

I see Ivey as a Richard Sherman type.

Sherman was a high 4.5 guy at the combine.

There’s a false idea that you have to be a 4.3 guy to play the position. Not true at all.

If you understand the tells of the route tree...you can make up for lack of speed by having strong anticipation and quick change of direction.

The best corners combine those abilities with elite speed.

Ivey is a very good athlete. Speed be damned. He can play.

Food for thought - Quincy Wilson and Taber were pretty **** good at Florida. Check their combine 40 times when you get a chance.

True and I agree you don't have to be a legit speed burner like daryl green to play corner but you still need outstanding speed. Richard Sherman was an elite hurdler in HS. Pretty sure he went under 14 in the 110's which is outstanding... he was also an outstanding long jumper showing his superior explosiveness.

 

[TrueFloridian]

Cook doesn't "look" explosive? Ok



True and I agree you don't have to be a legit speed burner like daryl green to play corner but you still need outstanding speed. Richard Sherman was an elite hurdler in HS. Pretty sure he went under 14 in the 110's which is outstanding... he was also an outstanding long jumper showing his superior explosiveness.

I'm not comparing Cook and Ivey. Cook looks slower on the football field than his 100m. I've never seen Ivey play. I've only heard his 7 coach and Pete comment along the lines of he's not a burner. I always give true frosh a pass. Every year I remind people Edge ran a 4.9 40 as a HS senior. It can change quickly on the right weight and nutrition program.

 

[337CaneNation]

These SoFla kid's aren't slow!! Ivey might not be the fastest but I guarantee he's not slow.. Everybody rate speed off 40 times and I think that's dumb, because some ppl just aren't good at running 40s.. All runners run different; some start fast, some are gain speed as they run, some have closing speed, IT'S different for all runners, everybody are built to run fast 40s!!

Usian Bolt for example, he was the fastest man in world, but his start wasn't where he won races, after about 40 yards is when he would turn on the burners.. Tyson ***, he was a fast starter out the blocks!!

 

[Cribby]

I’m shocked this thread went off the rails , throw bogey and track times in a thread you end up with this.

# trackNfap.com

 

[Miami Nights]

There is no way you were ever a coach like you’ve claimed. No way.

There are tons of guys running 47’s off of “4.7’s”...and that’s why they run the 800m and 1500m and not the sprints on the elite levels...and, yes, even on the high school level. If Jearl Miles, former American record holder at 800m at 1:56.xx has a 23.0x PB - and has medals at 400m then why wouldn’t guys who run one full second faster than her at 200m not be able to run 47’s? That’s rhetorical, for you, because you don’t know this stuff and you’re not intelligent enough to realize that you’ve run into someone who does.

Lmao. You're trying way to hard and wtf are you even talking about? First off what's jearl miles Clarks verified 40 time? Lmfao. Her personal best is 49 something.

You're just talking to ***** talk foo.

Tons of guys? Then show me some examples then.

Chit I know sprinters who I wEnt to school with they can't even pop a 47. octavious long was a 4.3 sprinter 10.5 100m guy but couldn't run a 47. Main reason was strength. o.long basically thought lifting weight was a waste of time ( main reason why he always pulled up a lot..imbalance between hamstring and quads). Jason coulter, middle distance guy but could still run 100m under 11 as well as a 47 qtr. Best race for Polly the 600m for him but anyways. I know for a fact he can run a 40 faster than 4.7 cause I saw him do it.

Alan Webb 800m 1500m guy, don't know himpersonaly but I'm willing to bet he can run a 47 qtr and run a faster 40 than 4.7. People like you fail to realize that guys like Webb, Ritz etc. can run period.

Sorry but 4.7 is not running and I don't know anyone who runs a 4.7 40 that can also run a 47 qtr. Neither do you. It would be extremely rare to come across a guy who can only run. A 4.7 40 but run a 47qm.

 

[KrazyCane]

Diaz says there are days when he's the 2nd best cb on the team.... beast.

 

[Miami Nights]

Still laughing at how little you know about track, 40 times...and obviously football.

You’re still too stupid not to realize that 400m times can’t predict 40 yard times ... or vice versa. But here’s the most important point...wait for it...a little more...just a bit...I promise...a little more...

...40 yard times don’t make football players.

1. The fact that you used Ritz as someone who can run a 4.7 40yd proves you’re just throwing names around; that goes for Webb as well. You’d lose that bet. Easily. It’s not even worth entertaining. LMFAO. 4.7 is plenty fast enough to run 47...but you’d have to know, to know. And you don’t.

Back to football. There are many exceptional college and pro football players who are 4.7 guys - and they’re phenomenal. You’ve probably never heard of these guys but you might want to google a few. Start with Irvin, Michael.

Ok so you have no examples then? ok. Leave earth.

...and stop trying to add inconsequential points to the debate to make yourself look better. You look like an *******. Nobody said anything about using 400 times to predict 40 times or that you need a fast 40 to be a good football player. Speed is an important part in being a great player though dummy. Again, its just a part of it along with other intangibles like football iq, strength etc.


Btw Irvin was a 4.5 guy. Makes no sense to lie on a guy to make yourself look a certain way. Pathetic.

Oh yea, I used Ritz as an example because we times him and some others at the mid west meet of champions so its a fact dummy.

Alan Webb personal best 1.43 in the 800m which is basically running faster than 2 47's back to back I know he can run faster than. 4.7 40.

 

[Miami Nights]

You didn’t provide examples, you pulled those names out of your a$$! Everyone knows they can’t run 4.7s. I can’t believe anyone is so incredibly stupid. Lmao.

I’m not trying to make myself look better in this “debate”, I’m just showing everyone else how incredibly ignorant you are. They’re only inconsequential, to you, because you don’t know what you’re talking about.

And, if you timed Ritz then throw away your stopwatch because you obviously don’t know how to use it. ****, you’re an idiot!

You don’t know football, and you don’t know track - especially at the elite level. You’re just throwing out names and numbers and looking like a fool.

You lose, again.

I’m blown away that you don’t understand basic aerobic capacity. Well, no I’m not, you don’t know much of anything.

((yawn)). Get back at me when you can answer my simple question.

 

[Miami Nights]

Right after you answer the question I asked you weeks ago about what your best time was for 400m?

Still waiting...

***** you already know that answer dummy you've even repeated it in this post. smh. You a fake *** **** straight up.

You can't answer the equation because you don't have one.

My point about being able to run a 47 qtr and run a faster 40 than 4.7 still stands, have a good day foo