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REALIGNMENT MEGGGGAAAA THREAAAD

Rellyrell said:
Read on BR that the PAC-12 & B1G might merge or at least kicking the tires on that idea to protect their conference agreement regarding the Rose Bowl. Dan Patrick spoke on it. Tried to attach the link, but was unsuccessful.
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Would be a disaster for the ACC. We’re then left to pick up everyone’s scraps, which no one wants. The ACC would automatically become the weakest conference unless we somehow get Notre Dame on board.

I’m sorry but no one is going to be excited about grabbing some Big 12 leftovers (maybe) and some AAC teams.
 
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QuattroCane said:
You suck at trolling.
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
The only ways that I can see Miami coming out of this (not to say there aren't other winning possibilities) in real good shape is if:

1. ND joins the ACC (they've given no indication they would).

or

2. Miami is invited to the SEC (not happening, so just stop).

or

3. Miami is invited to the Big 10 (note: edited my typo). I really don't see this happening but if the SEC picks off all the big ACC cherries that culturally fit them (Clemson, FSU, UNC) the Big 10 might decide to expand bigly, geography be damned, and we could be in play. I think we'd fall somewhere after ND, USC, UCLA, Sanford, Oregon, Washington and Cal in the pecking order though.

Guess what? The future and health of Miami football resides with the convicts (ND).
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Geographically, the B1G would not be a bad choice. Culturally, way outta wack. PAC 12 makes absolutely no sense.

The ACC needs to put the squeeze on the dormers and tell them either include your football team or we drop all your other sports. It might send them to another conference but so be it.
 
423Hurricane said:
Geographically, the B1G would not be a bad choice. Culturally, way outta wack. PAC 12 makes absolutely no sense.

The ACC needs to put the squeeze on the dormers and tell them either include your football team or we drop all your other sports. It might send them to another conference but so be it.
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We’re in a very weird situation. We are not a cultural fit for the big ten or sec. big ten maybe more because of geography. And the ACC hates us anyways
 
Apex Predator said:
By far, the most important changes that can be implemented in this situation is instituting spending controls. Spending controls are the most critical for three main reasons:

1.) It would break the link between revenue & expenditures, and prevent athletic program budgets from ballooning out of control. Halting cost growth eases the financial pressure on schools that aren’t at the very top of the revenue generating pyramid.

2.) It would limit the amount of resources available to one particular team, therefore making resource allocation more even across the board. Even if a program experiences a financial setback, they will still be able to support their teams at a reduced level of investment, instead of eliminating them.

3.) It will encourage savings, and athletic depts. will be able to build up meaningful reserve funds, instead of squandering it on short term priorities.

The biggest difference between Alabama & Akron, is not that Alabama can hoard 4 & 5 star talent, and Akron cannot. Even if you reduce scholarships, those players are not going to end up at Akron regardless. The biggest difference between the two programs is how much financial stress they are under, in order to field a football team. Akron is under so much duress, that eventually there is going to be no other option, but to board up, close shop, and get out of the football business. When that happens the entire fabric of the sport is beginning to fray. The way you determine integrity in the sport, is not by looking at what's occurring at the top. You determine it, by examining the bottom feeders. They are the ones that ultimately will determine whether CFB survives, or dies
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1) It actually does the exact opposite... it strengthens the link... and doesn't address at all inflation (that can't be stopped)

2) it actually does the opposite... again...it would further supercharge overt/covert in-kind expenditures of a given program... furthermore it would place even more of a premium on organizational talent capable of designing/ executing most efficient and "purchasing power" resource allocation strategies

3) you are on a roll... again... it does the opposite of encouraging savings.... unless of course this soending cap has a provision of manadatory carve out (by %) to funnel towards a set-aside (rainy day) fund's corpus

4) The differences between Alabama and Akron's programs are massive...from 100,000ft view... organizational leadership talent + resource availability/receipts + market availability + resource allocation/outlay pressures


If everyone is so worried about a program's resource availability and expenditures, well comrades, let's go a step further in your utopian paradise here.... MANDATORY redistribution/draft of coaching and player talent. The NCAA should control where staff and athletes are distributed. TOTALLY UNFAIR the newest football jesus (Bryce Young) plays in Tuscaloosa and not Akron.

Thankfully the Talent Placement For Fairness Central Committee (TPFFCC) just informed him. to pack his bags and head for Ohio.

Go Zips!!!!

BREAKING NEWS: TPFFCC just ordered Jimbo F to take the reins of UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs. Willie Taggart being sent to College Station as new HC.

HOT SAUCE RUMOR: TPFFCC strongly considering sending Saban to Wyoming. Bama new head man will either be Radio, Golden, or Zook.

Ya gotta have controls and fairness!!
 
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The obvious move for the ACC, which could actually save it but which it will NEVER do….the ACC needs to cut the fat.

The biggest problem with the ACC is there are way too many weak teams at the bottom half of the conference.

ACC needs to kick out Wake, BC, Syracuse, Pitt, and Duke, and it needs to add Notre Dame. Go to 10 teams and increase the payout to each school.
 
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Empirical Cane said:
1) It actually does the exact opposite... it strengthens the link... and doesn't address at all inflation (that can't be stopped)

2) it actually does the opposite... again...it would further supercharge overt/covert in-kind expenditures of a given program... furthermore it would place even more of a premium on organizational talent capable of designing/ executing most efficient and "purchasing power" resource allocation strategies

3) you are on a roll... again... it does the opposite of encouraging savings.... unless of course this soending cap has a provision of manadatory carve out (by %) to funnel towards a set-aside (rainy day) fund's corpus

4) The differences between Alabama and Akron's programs are massive...from 100,000ft view... organizational leadership talent + resource availability/receipts + market availability + resource allocation/outlay pressures


If everyone is so worried about a program's resource availability and expenditures, well comrades, let's go a step further in your utopian paradise here.... MANDATORY redistribution/draft of coaching and player talent. The NCAA should control where staff and athletes are distributed. TOTALLY UNFAIR the newest football jesus (Bryce Young) plays in Tuscaloosa and not Akron.

Thankfully the Talent Placement For Fairness Central Committee (TPFFCC) just informed him. to pack his bags and head for Ohio.

Go Zips!!!!

BREAKING NEWS: TPFFCC just ordered Jimbo F to take the reins of UC Santa Cruz Banana Slugs. Willie Taggart being sent to College Station as new HC.

HOT SAUCE RUMOR: TPFFCC strongly considering sending Saban to Wyoming. Bama new head man will either be Radio, Golden, or Zook.

Ya gotta have controls and fairness!!
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The big state schools have a huge advantage. More alumni, more eyeballs, more fans who are not alumni, etc. If you live in Wisconsin, even if you didn't go to Wisconsin, you are a Badgers fan and you are going to watch their games on TV or go to the stadium.

So schools like Wake Forest, Baylor, TCU, SMU, etc, may have passionate fans and some rich alumni, but they just don't move the needle for TV deals. Sadly I pretty much put BC in that category. Syracuse is huge and does very well on upstate New York so maybe they are one of the exceptions. Ironically, the two or three real exceptions to that are private schools that have a football brand that has lasted decades and built a regional or national following. Often they are in large markets where for cultural and longevity reasons, they have become the sport team of choice for that market. I'm talking obviously about Notre Dame and USC. USC actually has a huge enrollment, but I think it may be like an online type deal. The third school who almost fits into that category, But just needs a bit more sustained success, is of course the University of Miami. We were right there with Notre Dame as far as national fans and notoriety 20 years ago. But probation and years of bad results and a fickle fan base has killed us. Obviously becoming another Notre Dame is a big ambition and not going to happen, But I do think Miami has the potential that almost every other private school does not. 2-3 years of top 10 seasons with jump start us right back into these conversations.
 
305407cane said:
We are not a cultural fit for the big ten or sec. big ten maybe more because of geography
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Agree.

Goes without saying Gainesville and Tallahassee might be in the same state as Miami-Dade, but those two college towns — and even moreso the rest of North Florida — might as well be on a different planet.

But how much are the "culture" and "fit" issues a product of UM failing to finish in the Top 10 every season — and just six times in the Top 25 — since 2003?

If we were rattling off National Championships and Top Five rankings like in our glory days from the early 80's to the early 2000's, then the fit and culture discussion would be brought up but quickly set aside in favor of TV ratings and ticket sales.
 
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Our big issue is that we are still more of a basketball conference when football is the main revenue sport. If we were starting fresh:

Definite Keeps: Clemson, Miami, FSU, UNC

Possibles/Probables: BC (Boston) GT (Atlanta) Pitt, UVA (DC market)

Separate ACC basketball conference: Duke, Louisville, NCST, Syracuse, VT, WF

From a football TV rights perspective, roughly half of the schools add little value

So pure TV $ wise, we would be better off leaving the ACC and joining maybe the B1G or $EC.
 
Tei Tenga said:
I think the ACC makes a power play for ND and Penn St. ... Go big or go home.
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423Hurricane said:
Geographically, the B1G would not be a bad choice. Culturally, way outta wack. PAC 12 makes absolutely no sense.

The ACC needs to put the squeeze on the dormers and tell them either include your football team or we drop all your other sports. It might send them to another conference but so be it.
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Agree, but how do you squeeze ND where they have the leverage and can see our cards? You might push them into the Big 10s arms.

PSU... lol. No one is leaving the SEC or Big 10 for the ACC.
 
Cryptical Envelopment said:
Agree, but how do you squeeze ND where they have the leverage and can see our cards? You might push them into the Big 10s arms.

PSU... lol. No one is leaving the SEC or Big 10 for the ACC.
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No doubt they have some leverage and surely the B1G would gladly accept them. It might make them get off the pot one way or the other. They can afford to sit back and wait it out if necessary.
 
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Cryptical Envelopment said:
Agree, but how do you squeeze ND where they have the leverage and can see our cards? You might push them into the Big 10s arms.

PSU... lol. No one is leaving the SEC or Big 10 for the ACC.
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ND cannot join any conference but the acc. Could they sue to try to get out of the contract? Sure. They would also lose. If Ohio State and Michigan left the big10 for the SEC as was rumored (I don't believe it) then I doubt the big10 survives and all the schools will be looking to join another conference.
 
I'm staying hopeful we can squeeze into the SEC, maybe on the back end of this phase of realignment.

A couple things might help our cause.

1) If the SEC and the B1G carve up the ACC as many expect (and, in addition, something happened with the Pac-12's most valuable schools aligning with the B1G), then maybe there wouldn't be the impetus to stay at 20 or less members for either of the two super-conferences.

2) We've just learned that so-called "gentlemen's agreement" which suggested SEC expansion wouldn't entail adding a school from a state where the conference already had planted its flag (i.e. Texas) was complete B.S. (LOL, of course it was). Slick move by the SEC commissioner because once UT (and OU) are in and A&M must STFU and go along, there's not jack **** UF and South Carolina can do when the league office gets ready to bring aboard FSU and Clemson.

Which leads back to the the first point.

Texas and Florida are huge states population-wise – at least twice more than every other current SEC state — which could justify three schools (and it might be politically expedient to do so).
 
So why not Miami and Baylor?

No need to regurgitate our pluses and minuses here, but the Bears have a lot going for them, too.

Just won the National Championship in men's basketball and they've had some (inconsistent) success in football. Their $266M on-campus stadium 😢 is less than 10 years old. The city/location seems ideal: Population 125K about 90 miles from Dallas -- far enough away not to be swallowed up by the Cowboys, Mavs, Rangers, etc. Nor is Baylor right in UT and A&M's backyard, either. Pretty good academics, too — a notch below us but certainly better than most of the SEC (FWIW). And Baylor would be a Baptist school in a league whose footprint has more Baptists than anywhere else in the country.

The biggest negative besides their up and down football program (and every invitee ain't gonna be Nick Saban's Alabama), would be football's awful sexual assault culture under Art Briles. But sadly in this day and age, what big-time College Athletics program doesn't have it share of transgressions?

(****, Ohio State had an unchecked team doctor diddling male athletes for 25 years and ESPN has barely bothered to mention the whole sordid matter).

Where Baylor could come in handy for us is that if the Texas Legislature was to kick up some fuss about the Horns deserting its Big 12 brethern in the Lone Star State, the SEC adding Baylor could be seen as a compromise of sorts.

Which comes back to Miami squeezing through the back door in similar fashion if the Florida legislature — and particularly those in the highly-populated tri-county area — raised a similar commotion.

Just trying to spitball ways for us to find a spot at the big boys' table.

Very concerned the the alternative would be brutal for us.
 
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Texas and Florida are huge states population-wise – at least twice more than every other current SEC state — which could justify three schools (and it might be politically expedient to do so).
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Problem is half the people in Florida are form the Northeast not native. You see as many Res Sox and Yankees stickers as you do Miami
 
One of the things that is being ignored right now is the sheer incompetence of ACC leadership. The narrative is "the ACC needs to convince ND to be a full member of the conference is going to survive, but ND sees no good reason to give up its independence." If only there was some massive unforseen event that would have placed ND in a position where they either had to become full members of the acc or cancel their season. The ACC would have all the leverage in that situation and ND would have either joined the conference and at best, played a 3 game schedule against service academies and be frozen out from the playoffs.

Oh wait. That actually happened last year and the ACC gave ND everything it wanted and got nothing in return. I said at the time the ACC would regret not forcing NDs hand and that if Miami leadership had any balls, they would have vetoed allowing ND to become a ACC member for only one year so that ND could fill out their schedule. If the acc schools went ahead with it over the veto, Miami should have demanded to be released from the Grant of Rights and free to seek a new deal as there is no benefit to being in a conference that allows nonmembers to get temporary day passes and all the benefits of conference membership without having to pay the same dues as all the other members.

If the ACC is done as a viable conference, it has little to do with this SEC power play and everything to do with morons in leadership positions.
 
TimeBum said:
ND cannot join any conference but the acc. Could they sue to try to get out of the contract? Sure. They would also lose. If Ohio State and Michigan left the big10 for the SEC as was rumored (I don't believe it) then I doubt the big10 survives and all the schools will be looking to join another conference.
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Nothing is iron-clad in life, everything is negotiable.
 
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