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Re: Pay for Play...the NCAA is not the villain

Canes1968 said:
LOL...no, so many obvious flaws in your analysis, it’s ridiculous. Tell me, if we eliminate CFB, and we just create these developmental super teams you describe that are made up of just the highest rated kids coming out of high school, how do you think high school football survives at a robust enough level to even support these developmental super teams? As you already acknowledged (thus defeating your own argument), there would be fewer people playing football each year. You don’t think that would impact the quality of athlete coming out of high school? It absolutely would. More of the top prep athletes would focus on other sports instead.

Also, the article you linked talked about the possibility of a developmental league, one that would supplement what CFB provides, not one that could replace what CFB provides. It also acknowledges that their previous attempts at other leagues have resulted in miserable failures.

Some people have critical thinking skills. Others, like yourself, are incapable of applying logic and developing arguments that don’t immediately collapse upon themselves.
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Stopped reading at eliminate college football, because I never said. Respond to what I said, the rest is your bs opinion.
 
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CaneInHeelCountry said:
Dude, you have zero stats or proof to back up what you're saying. It's like you're just pulling random **** outta the sky. Roster size?


That's because there exists NCAA football. With both NFL and big-time CFB as we know it, there is little need for a minor league, and little fan interest.

If big-time CFB were to go away or to be curbed--by, say, the best talent skipping school and heading to the minor league, and by making coaching salaries commensurate with other university staff--there'd be a much greater chance that people would gravitate toward a sustainable minor league system.

Look at college baseball as an example.
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You serious? NFL and football in general thrives on and requires large numbers. More than any other major sport, it’s is a sport of attrition.

The baseball model doesn’t work for football. Also, the baseball farm system is not a revenue generator. It’s a massive net cost to the MLB franchises. That net cost would be enormously higher for a comparable NFL farm system.
 
CaneInHeelCountry said:
Dude, you have zero stats or proof to back up what you're saying. It's like you're just pulling random **** outta the sky. Roster size?


That's because there exists NCAA football. With both NFL and big-time CFB as we know it, there is little need for a minor league, and little fan interest.

If big-time CFB were to go away or to be curbed--by, say, the best talent skipping school and heading to the minor league, and by making coaching salaries commensurate with other university staff--there'd be a much greater chance that people would gravitate toward a sustainable minor league system.

Look at college baseball as an example.
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Also, you have zero stats or proof to back up what your saying.
 
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miamicanephins said:
Stopped reading at eliminate college football, because I never said. Respond to what I said, the rest is your bs opinion.
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Then you haven’t been paying attention to the entire point of this thread. I’ve consistently been talking about and arguing the fact that the NFL could not exist without CFB.

Also, you stated that CFB would collapse. Whether we eliminated it or it collapsed under your premise, that would dramatically impact the number and quality of prep athletes choosing to play football, which would create a negative feedback loop to this the developmental league and the NFL, which would ultimately result in the NFL’s collapse.
 
Canes1968 said:
Not true at all. The vast majority of elite CBB players still choose CBB over the NBA developmental league.
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Lol. Do you even know what you're talking about???

If it wasn't for the one and done rule, the elite would go right from high school to the league. LOL.
 
Canes1968 said:
Then you haven’t been paying attention to the entire point of this thread. I’ve consistently been talking about and arguing the fact that the NFL could not exist without CFB.

Also, you stated that CFB would collapse. Whether we eliminated it or it collapsed under your premise, that would dramatically impact the number and quality of prep athletes choosing to play football, which would create a negative feedback loop to this the developmental league and the NFL, which would ultimately result in the NFL’s collapse.
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I can't spell everything out for you dude. Just know your theory is wrong.
 
Canes1968 said:
You serious? NFL and football in general thrives on and requires large numbers. More than any other major sport, it’s is a sport of attrition.

The baseball model doesn’t work for football. Also, the baseball farm system is not a revenue generator. It’s a massive net cost to the MLB franchises. That net cost would be enormously higher for a comparable NFL farm system.
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NFL teams have 53-man rosters. MLB teams have 40-man rosters. Not that big of a difference, man. You're making a man out of a molehill. Translated to a minor league system, the net cost for football would be larger, but certainly not "enormously" so.

The attrition is specifically why it'd be beneficial to have farm teams. Player gets injured, send him to the farm team to recuperate, it doesn't count against your roster numbers. Call up another player who's been doing well in your triple-A outfit.

MLB franchises seem to make it work, despite the "massive costs." No reason NFL couldn't absorb the costs similarly. Sure, it'd cut into owner's profits a little, but ***** them. It'd be a fairer system for players.
 
miamicanephins said:
Lol. Do you even know what you're talking about???

If it wasn't for the one and done rule, the elite would go right from high school to the league. LOL.
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Wow, I was thinking for a little while that I was talking to a somewhat intelligent person, but clearly I was way off.

You said, "True ballers go to the developmental league, guys that just want to play football for the college experience, do just that."

I said that's not true. The vast majority of elite prep BB players still choose CBB over the developmental league.

How does the one and done rule have anything to do with that? If the one and done rule didn't exist, these elite players would bypass the developmental league and go straight to the NBA.
 
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CaneInHeelCountry said:
NFL teams have 53-man rosters. MLB teams have 40-man rosters. Not that big of a difference, man. You're making a man out of a molehill. Translated to a minor league system, the net cost for football would be larger, but certainly not "enormously" so.

The attrition is specifically why it'd be beneficial to have farm teams. Player gets injured, send him to the farm team to recuperate, it doesn't count against your roster numbers. Call up another player who's been doing well in your triple-A outfit.

MLB franchises seem to make it work, despite the "massive costs." No reason NFL couldn't absorb the costs similarly. Sure, it'd cut into owner's profits a little, but ***** them. It'd be a fairer system for players.
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I'm not saying a farm system wouldn't work as a supplemental league. I'm saying that if college football didn't exist, the NFL could not afford to fund a farm league large enough to sustain itself.

I absolutely think a developmental league on a small scale would benefit the NFL overall, but that's A LOT different than a farm system that takes the place of CFB.
 
Canes1968 said:
I'm not saying a farm system wouldn't work as a supplemental league. I'm saying that if college football didn't exist, the NFL could not afford to fund a farm league large enough to sustain itself.
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No one is talking about CFB not existing.

Again, look at baseball. College baseball exists, and UM is usually pretty good at it.
 
CaneInHeelCountry said:
No one is talking about CFB not existing.
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"If big-time CFB were to go away or to be curbed--by, say, the best talent skipping school and heading to the minor league, and by making coaching salaries commensurate with other university staff--there'd be a much greater chance that people would gravitate toward a sustainable minor league system."
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
"If big-time CFB were to go away or to be curbed--by, say, the best talent skipping school and heading to the minor league, and by making coaching salaries commensurate with other university staff--there'd be a much greater chance that people would gravitate toward a sustainable minor league system."
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Nice of you to highlight that small portion and not the main thrust of the post.
 
CaneInHeelCountry said:
No one is talking about CFB not existing.

Again, look at baseball. College baseball exists, and UM is usually pretty good at it.
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Maybe you didn't actually read my OP. Part of the premise of this thread is based on the concept that the NFL could not exist without CFB. I've literally been talking about how the NFL needs CFB far more than CFB needs the NFL throughout this entire thread.
 
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Canes1968 said:
The cost of the MLB farm system is small compared to what it would cost to develop a farm system the NFL. In essence, the NFL would need to build something as large and robust as what we see in CFB today. It may not need to cost as much as the current CFB system, but any significant differences would have dramatically negative impacts on the quality of talent coming out of this system.
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You keep saying it’s economics. Why don’t you put some numbers on the table. It seems most people disagree with you.
 
Lol. CFB isn’t ending and a threat by the NCAA to end it wouldn’t be credible and it wouldn’t work. The SEC and the schools with a brand would simply start their own Athletic Organization.

It would be called the New World Order (NWO) and my first act as Commissioner would be to give OP a big hug.
 
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