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Re: Pay for Play...the NCAA is not the villain

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Canes1968 said:
The amount of money the NCAA organization extracts from the overall system is relatively small.
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How much in salaries are the people who run the NCAA and the conferences extracting??? These are the people calling the shots. They’re the ones vested in this system. They’re enriching themselves with millions but the kids can’t profit on their own images or have Brock buy them a well-done steak dinner at Outback. There’s just something wrong about it.
 
Canes1968 said:
With all this talk about pay for play, I think people are confusing who the real villain is in this scheme. Sure, the NCAA isn't perfect, but they are far from being the real villain. The REAL villain is the NFL. The NFL benefits from the college system more than anybody else. The college system is a free farm league for the NFL without which, the NFL simply could not exist. Unlike other sports where minor leagues and developmental leagues can be maintained at relatively low cost, football requires enormous amounts of overhead, and as such, the NFL could not possibly afford to build a robust minor league of the size and quality necessary to maintain quality of play for 32 teams. They are entirely dependent on the free farm system that the NCAA provides. They offer no financial support to the system, while sitting back and reaping the overwhelming majority of the benefits, and they are perfectly content with all the sheep that believe its really the NCAA that is ******** everybody over.

If anybody should be paying college football players, it should be the NFL.

And, before anybody gets it twisted, college football could and would survive without the NFL. College football doesn't need the NFL, but the NFL certainly does need college football.
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Lol. The nfl could have a minor league. The NCAA doesn’t want it to. Because cfb is big busimess!
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
Because they have to prop up sports that don't turn a profit.

If you shared an apartment with say 3 other guys, would you pay all of the bills because you made the most money?
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That’s the Federal governments fault. Has absolutely nothing to do with the NCAA.
 
Ethnicsands said:
Lol. The nfl could have a minor league. The NCAA doesn’t want it to. Because cfb is big busimess!
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No, there is no chance the NFL could afford that. Sorry, but that’s simple economics. The NFL makes a lot of money, but the scale required of any minor league necessary to sustain the NFL is so large that it’s entirely cost prohibitive. The only reason it works in CFB is because of the school brands that attract a rabid and extremely loyal fan base. There is no minor league capable of generating enough revenue to become anywhere close to self-sustainable, and therefore, it would require massive subsidization by the NFL that would bankrupt the NFL.
 
Canes1968 said:
Hopefully you realize that most universities actually aren’t making any money off sports after you factor in all the expenses you listed. If you don’t, you’re an idiot!
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schools would make make money if they didn't try to use the football team to pay for all the other sports ......... btw you're a F.UCKI.NG liar they do make money according to the reports they give annually co.ck sucker
 
Canes1968 said:
No, there is no chance the NFL could afford that. Sorry, but that’s simple economics. The NFL makes a lot of money, but the scale required of any minor league necessary to sustain the NFL is so large that it’s entirely cost prohibitive. The only reason it works in CFB is because of the school brands that attract a rabid and extremely loyal fan base. There is no minor league capable of generating enough revenue to become anywhere close to self-sustainable, and therefore, it would require massive subsidization by the NFL that would bankrupt the NFL.
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Canes1968 said:
Create a minor league and CFB revenues wouldn’t change much.

Also, never said NCAA wasn’t complicit.
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You may be right for CFB, but not for basketball -- the revenue generated by the superstar one-and-done players is massive
 
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Canes1968 said:
No, there is no chance the NFL could afford that. Sorry, but that’s simple economics. The NFL makes a lot of money, but the scale required of any minor league necessary to sustain the NFL is so large that it’s entirely cost prohibitive. The only reason it works in CFB is because of the school brands that attract a rabid and extremely loyal fan base. There is no minor league capable of generating enough revenue to become anywhere close to self-sustainable, and therefore, it would require massive subsidization by the NFL that would bankrupt the NFL.
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lmao. sure, okay man.
 
RVACane said:
How much in salaries are the people who run the NCAA and the conferences extracting??? These are the people calling the shots. They’re the ones vested in this system. They’re enriching themselves with millions but the kids can’t profit on their own images or have Brock buy them a well-done steak dinner at Outback. There’s just something wrong about it.
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The same can be said for any charity organization.
 
Canes1968 said:
No, there is no chance the NFL could afford that. Sorry, but that’s simple economics. The NFL makes a lot of money, but the scale required of any minor league necessary to sustain the NFL is so large that it’s entirely cost prohibitive. The only reason it works in CFB is because of the school brands that attract a rabid and extremely loyal fan base. There is no minor league capable of generating enough revenue to become anywhere close to self-sustainable, and therefore, it would require massive subsidization by the NFL that would bankrupt the NFL.
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Actually the cost isn't that high at all. Remember football teams don't play more than 16 games per year, so the cost of travel would be a lot less than a minor league baseball team. Stadiums are funded through local taxes. Also, a minor league football team would not have to reimburse tuition and pay for the academic staff.
 
RVACane said:
This is a different way of looking at it the way you have put it. I have no problem with the NCAA trying to monetize their farm league. They have a right to try and the NFL has a right to say yay or nay. I do have a problem with them and the NFL enriching themselves while preventing college kids from earning some money. I don’t get how this isn’t an anti-trust issue.
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Couldn't agree more. The current system is basically indentured servitude. Sure, the players are given something of value - a scholarship. But much like the coal miners of the 19th century who were paid in company dollars that could only be used at the company store, a scholarship isn't transferable and can't be used anywhere except at the "company store," aka the university in question.

It's a sham. It exploits vulnerable populations and it can't and won't last.

Now... the second the NCAA drops it's "amateurism" spiel, then it gets interesting what they do. They'll have to pay players, but they'll have free reign to get revenue in other ways that weren't available before.

If it were me, and if I were Miami, when that day comes I would sign a bunch of 18 year old kids to long-term contracts. If the NFL teams want to draft those kids, they have to buy me out. Just like in soccer, or the music industry. I wouldn't give the NFL a choice to say "yay or nay." You have legally binding contracts with players and if the NFL wants those kids, they have to pay you off. You specialize in finding the kids and developing them.
 
Miami[]_[]Smoke said:
because A recruit can literally negotiate with schools and their boosters who own businesses on how to best use and sell their image. If phil Knight says I’ll get you a million dollar shoe deal if you go to Oregon, and the next best school/booster can only give him 700k, guess where hes going?
some of you have this simplistic mind set that these deals will only be put in place after they are at school but it will be a tool to get kids to sign there, or to get a kid to chanGe schools via the portal. And this isnt the nfl with caps and draft picks to try to promote parity...it will Be 100% free agency all the time
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I don't think that at all. It will 100% be used to recruit, I agree. So what? What are you scared of? The schools will compete against each other. The result of that competition is unpredictable, but will lead to the best possible outcome. That is how free markets work.

1) Schools (and boosters) don't have unlimited resources. No single school will get every player that they want...
1a) ...at least not any more than they do today. There is no, and has never been, any parity in college football. This isn't a US professional sport where the rules are designed so that every team wins every so often.

2) Schools will get creative. They will offer different packages that will appeal to some kids more than others. Maybe Miami offers a kid a music internship with Chad Thomas or something. Schools will pick which kids to go all-in on, looking for competitive advantages wherever they can find them. Shoe companies (and other companies, for that matter) will get involved, pushing kids to different schools. Nike won't get everyone, just like they don't get everyone now. A shoe company you've never heard of will come out of nowhere with a huge offer to get a kid to go to a surprising school. Etc.

I've heard others make the point about every offseason becoming free agency, with kids hopping from team to team after every season. This doesn't happen in professional sports, and it won't happen in college football. A booster won't want to pay a kid to go to a school for 1 year. Again, the market will sort this out. One possible solution is that boosters offer deferred contracts that only pay out after X years. Kids will hate that, and smaller schools might roll the dice and attract top talent on short-term contracts, while the big schools fill up on 3 or 4 year kids. Maybe schools then decide to stop offering 4 year scholarships. Or, maybe kids accept those deferred payouts, but borrow against them.

In any case, I'm surprised at the complete lack of faith in, or understanding of, markets. The idea is not that we have all of the answers on day 1, but that market forces determine the answers over time - and that those answers are much better than anything we could've come up with at the onset. When there is such overwhelming demand for a product (like there is for college football), and no structural limitations on its supply, the market will find a solution that allows that product to thrive.

College football will look different than it does today, sure. I don't know what it will look like. But I do know that it will be better in the future than it is today.
 
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Canes1968 said:
With all this talk about pay for play, I think people are confusing who the real villain is in this scheme. Sure, the NCAA isn't perfect, but they are far from being the real villain. The REAL villain is the NFL. The NFL benefits from the college system more than anybody else. The college system is a free farm league for the NFL without which, the NFL simply could not exist. Unlike other sports where minor leagues and developmental leagues can be maintained at relatively low cost, football requires enormous amounts of overhead, and as such, the NFL could not possibly afford to build a robust minor league of the size and quality necessary to maintain quality of play for 32 teams. They are entirely dependent on the free farm system that the NCAA provides. They offer no financial support to the system, while sitting back and reaping the overwhelming majority of the benefits, and they are perfectly content with all the sheep that believe its really the NCAA that is ******** everybody over.

If anybody should be paying college football players, it should be the NFL.

And, before anybody gets it twisted, college football could and would survive without the NFL. College football doesn't need the NFL, but the NFL certainly does need college football.
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I'm james Jackson brother said:
schools would make make money if they didn't try to use the football team to pay for all the other sports ......... btw you're a F.UCKI.NG liar they do make money according to the reports they give annually co.ck sucker
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Title IX forces schools to use revenue sports to subsidize other sports. That’s your precious federal government and liberal policies at play buddy.

Again, some schools turn a profit. The overwhelming majority don’t.
 
Cane_Mutiny said:
You may be right for CFB, but not for basketball -- the revenue generated by the superstar one-and-done players is massive
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I don’t think basketball would change much either. Remember, it wasn’t long ago that kids could go straight to the NBA from high school and the sport was still ultra popular and many would argue it was more fun to watch.
 
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