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Re: Pay for Play...the NCAA is not the villain

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Silentobserver said:
Can anyone rationally explain (tradition is not a rational argument) why competitive sports are a part of high schools and colleges?
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it’s been that way for 150 years, so yes it’s a good argument. If not, in what year should they have arbitrarily separated sports from high school and college?
 
OSU AD against it.....yea cause them boys pay already. They said they want fair across the board. They know no one wants to live in fuqin Ohio
 
CaneSince4Ever said:
How about getting rid of the freeloader sports that don't bring in $h!t to the University? That's how it works in the real world.
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And all the ridiculous majors that don't earn a decent wage. And stop paying professors ridiculous amounts to teach one class that their GA actually teaches.
 
ALLoverCANE said:
Walk through why this would happen. I have yet to hear a compelling reason.
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because A recruit can literally negotiate with schools and their boosters who own businesses on how to best use and sell their image. If phil Knight says I’ll get you a million dollar shoe deal if you go to Oregon, and the next best school/booster can only give him 700k, guess where hes going?
some of you have this simplistic mind set that these deals will only be put in place after they are at school but it will be a tool to get kids to sign there, or to get a kid to chanGe schools via the portal. And this isnt the nfl with caps and draft picks to try to promote parity...it will Be 100% free agency all the time
 
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TimeB0mb said:
You mean Miami will no longer dominate the ACC coastal? Dude, Miami hasn't won sh#t in 20 years (one fluke year aside) with the rules as they are. It makes no difference. It gives Miami at least a punchers chance of getting recruits interested in the larger media market opportunities than they'd find at most SEC schools.
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Miami is a decent sized media market, but it's nothing compared to a large state schools broad appeal. People already don't show up for games, not just ours, but all the Miami teams. You expect that to change all of a sudden if this or a similar idea rolls through? Please, you're dreaming my friend.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Lol so you think the guys not making money will be happy watching the allstars get big money?


I love how you keep skipping over that they are amateur athletes that are recieving 100s of thousands of dollars in education, room, and food.

And ive already stated its bad for Miami.
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The back up center gets the right to make money on his likeness and control his own financial destiny.

If he starts selling socks or gloves online and takes the money and starts a hot dog stand or vending machine business, he won’t have to worry about the NCAA stripping him of eligibility.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
But the question remains.......why? Sports are healthy for students and for universities. Why are we **** bent on reducing the opportunities to play?
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What reduction in opportunity to play would exist by moving away from this farce practice of amateurism?

Why not go full on amateurism and remove the money: endorsements, tv contracts, apparel contracts, etc.? Collegiate sports should most probably look like D3 athletics more than what we have today to ensure the student-athlete is actually both a student and an athlete while ensuring the focus isn’t about lining the pockets of admin and other school leaders at the expense of the unpaid athlete.
 
Canes1968 said:
With all this talk about pay for play, I think people are confusing who the real villain is in this scheme. Sure, the NCAA isn't perfect, but they are far from being the real villain. The REAL villain is the NFL. The NFL benefits from the college system more than anybody else. The college system is a free farm league for the NFL without which, the NFL simply could not exist. Unlike other sports where minor leagues and developmental leagues can be maintained at relatively low cost, football requires enormous amounts of overhead, and as such, the NFL could not possibly afford to build a robust minor league of the size and quality necessary to maintain quality of play for 32 teams. They are entirely dependent on the free farm system that the NCAA provides. They offer no financial support to the system, while sitting back and reaping the overwhelming majority of the benefits, and they are perfectly content with all the sheep that believe its really the NCAA that is ******** everybody over.

If anybody should be paying college football players, it should be the NFL.

And, before anybody gets it twisted, college football could and would survive without the NFL. College football doesn't need the NFL, but the NFL certainly does need college football.
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NOPE NOPE NOPE LET THE UNIVERSITY WHO MAKES 100 MILLION A YEAR PLAY THE ATHLETES WHO GIVE THEM THAT MONEY.

THE UNIVERSITY SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY MONEY OFF THE ATHLETES OTHER THAN THEIR TUITION AND HOUSING THE REMAINING TOTAL SUM OF THAT MONEY SHOULD GO TO THE ATHLETES AND THE COACHING AND TRAINING STAFF. PAY FOR UPKEEP OF THE PRACTICE FACILITIES AND FOOD TRAVEL WEIGHTS ETC ETC RENTAL FOR HAVING IT ON CAMPUS.


DOES THE UNIVERSITY GET ANY MONEY OFF OFA KID WHO'S WORKING AS AN INTERN FOR GOOGLE WHILE STUDYING SOFTWARE ENGINEERING? NO!!!!!!! SO WHY IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT?
 
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RVACane said:
But the NCAA and the NFL are two distinct business entities. Just because the NFL benefits from the college system doesn’t empower anyone to mandate that the NFL pay money to this other business (the NCAA) because of that ancillary benefit.
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Except the NCAA institutions have all the bargaining power. They could simply ban together and threaten the NFL that they will disband CFB entirely unless the NFL ponies up to compensate. The NFL would certainly cave to that demand because they know the NFL wouldn’t and couldn’t exist without CFB.

Also, I would argue the NFL should be paying for some portion of health care expenses for college athletes as part of the cost of doing business. The NFL benefits tremendously from the bodily harm these players endure during college and therefore the NFL should be responsible for a portion of those costs.
 
moshated305 said:
How many kids would grow up playing football if the NFL didn't exist? The ultimate goal is the pros, not college football. CFB needs the NFL just as much.
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CFB would still exist and kids would still play the sport in hopes of getting a free college degree. CFB existed long before the pros. Yes, the feed off of each other, but the NFL is entirely dependent on CFB. CFB is not dependent on the NFL. Also, I’d venture to guess that most universities would prefer if the pros didn’t exist, which would allow them to get back to offering sports in a way that aligns with their university mission.
 
g8rh8rMD said:
Ridiculous argument. College sports existed for decades before pro sports did. And there are plenty of sports that kids, adolescents, and adults play that either don't have professional levels such as the NFL, or in which the participants never intend on going pro.

People play sports because of love of the game and competition.
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This. Take wrestling as an example. Hugely popular sport in many states. Just not a great spectator sport.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Pay for play is going to ruin amateur sports. Yall saying its a good idea really want miami to be a dead program.
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I’m not sure how it will ruin amateur sports or kill the program. There’s plenty money in Miami but we’re so under the microscope that it’s hard for us to contend with other schools. If anything I think it levels the playing field and if kids can be legally paid by us then we just might keep even more studs home.
 
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