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Re: Pay for Play...the NCAA is not the villain

Canes1968 said:
Except the NCAA institutions have all the bargaining power. They could simply ban together and threaten the NFL that they will disband CFB entirely unless the NFL ponies up to compensate. The NFL would certainly cave to that demand because they know the NFL wouldn’t and couldn’t exist without CFB.

Also, I would argue the NFL should be paying for some portion of health care expenses for college athletes as part of the cost of doing business. The NFL benefits tremendously from the bodily harm these players endure during college and therefore the NFL should be responsible for a portion of those costs.
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The NCAA doesn’t have the ability to disband college football and survive. They won’t pass up the money and neither will the schools.

You can’t make the NFL pay CFB’s medical costs.
Come on man. Lol.
 
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I think there is a solution that actually fixes a lot of the problems with college football. The California law says that the NCAA cannot revoke a student’s athletic scholarship for earning compensation. It does not say that a school is required to give athletic scholarships. Just like the most P5 schools outside of the SEC give a “grant of rights” to their respective conferences, the schools could have a requirement that for a student to receive a full ride athletic scholarship, he must voluntarily grant the rights to profit from his likeness back to the school. A student cannot be compelled or coerced to grant the rights of profits from his likeness to the school (it must be voluntarily waived) and he is still allowed by law to play college football whether he chooses to grant the rights or not. However, if he chooses NOT to grant his rights to the school, then he cannot receive a full ride athletic scholarship and will be required to pay for his own way (or apply for need-based financial aid like most other students). A student cannot receive a full-ride athletic scholarship AND also retain all the profits from his own likeness.

It then becomes a deliberate choice for the student athlete: 1) a free ride, popularity from media appearances that he could capitalize on after graduation, and ALL the students at the school benefit from his success, or 2) pay his own way and keep all the money for himself. That’s the way it should be. Either way he can still play college football. It also restores the concept of the true student-athlete. Going to college is a great opportunity and as others have pointed out, can be worth almost $300k. Schools would then naturally separate- you’d have programs like Alabama where there is no chance that the superstar, 5 star HS athletes would grant their rights to the school. They’d be gambling on becoming media stars and getting paid. They’d have to pay their own way, which means that Alabama would have nothing to offer but being the darling of ESPN. The schools with rosters full of these athletes who don’t give the grant of rights would essentially become professional teams. And thing we know about the viewing public is that they aren’t going to watch a less talented pro league (which is why no one watches D-League basketball or the XFL) when a real pro league exists. The market naturally corrects itself.

Then you’d have the 95% of other football players out of HS who see that an athletic scholarship is a great opportunity for all expenses paid quality education. They’d willingly grant their rights to their school. If a QB has a breakout season and the athlete suddenly becomes popular, and gets commercial deals he could still hire an agent and get paid millions, but since he granted his rights as a condition of the athletic scholarship, all the money goes to the school. That money can then get reinvested into the school, improving educational quality and lowering costs (and other social projects like college partnerships to help underperforming high schools). It makes the successful student-athlete a beloved and integral part of the local community. The schools don’t have to worry about revoking scholarships. The more endorsements a student athlete gets, the better it is for the school and community.
 
I'm james Jackson brother said:
NOPE NOPE NOPE LET THE UNIVERSITY WHO MAKES 100 MILLION A YEAR PLAY THE ATHLETES WHO GIVE THEM THAT MONEY.

THE UNIVERSITY SHOULDN'T MAKE ANY MONEY OFF THE ATHLETES OTHER THAN THEIR TUITION AND HOUSING THE REMAINING TOTAL SUM OF THAT MONEY SHOULD GO TO THE ATHLETES AND THE COACHING AND TRAINING STAFF. PAY FOR UPKEEP OF THE PRACTICE FACILITIES AND FOOD TRAVEL WEIGHTS ETC ETC RENTAL FOR HAVING IT ON CAMPUS.


DOES THE UNIVERSITY GET ANY MONEY OFF OFA KID WHO'S WORKING AS AN INTERN FOR GOOGLE WHILE STUDYING SOFTWARE ENGINEERING? NO!!!!!!! SO WHY IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT?
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Hopefully you realize that most universities actually aren’t making any money off sports after you factor in all the expenses you listed. If you don’t, you’re an idiot!
 
RVACane said:
The NCAA doesn’t have the ability to disband college football and survive. They won’t pass up the money and neither will the schools.

You can’t make the NFL pay CFB’s medical costs.
Come on man. Lol.
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You serious Clark? Most schools are losing money on sports. And the ones that turn a profit, those profits are pennies relative to their annual university budgets. The universities do not need sports at all.
 
RVACane said:
The NFL is a business. The NCAA is a business. I don’t see how the NFL should bear the burden of paying people who are not employed by their business.
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In professional soccer, farm teams own the "rights" to certain players they develop. They sell those rights to the major teams.

It's not about who SHOULD bear the burden. Really the question to be asking is - why doesn't the NCAA find a way to monetize the service they do to the NFL in developing football talent?

Imagine where Miami would be today if the school got a cut of every NFL contract its alumni signed. We would be a very rich program.
 
Canes1968 said:
Hopefully you realize that most universities actually aren’t making any money off sports after you factor in all the expenses you listed. If you don’t, you’re an idiot!
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You wouldn’t call him an idiot to his face. He’s dangerous. Stick to calling guys like me Clark. It’s way safer.
 
Canes1968 said:
You serious Clark? Most schools are losing money on sports. And the ones that turn a profit, those profits are pennies relative to their annual university budgets. The universities do not need sports at all.
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@RVACane you can laugh all you want but you’ve provided no evidence to support your position.
 
Canes1968 said:
LOL...no it couldn’t. It’s basic economics. Because of the size of rosters in the NFL, the shear volume of minor league teams required to feed the NFL would be cost prohibitive. The NFL couldn’t afford it, and they wouldn’t get much help from revenues this league would produce because nobody would watch that ****, just like nobody watches any other minor leagues in this country.

Think about it. There are hundreds of schools feeding the current NFL system and thousands of players. The NFL couldn’t afford to subsidize a system robust enough for their needs.
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https://sports.yahoo.com/news/repor...l-developmental-league-in-2017-163617861.html

If the NFL wants a developmenalt league it will do it when the time is right. The time may be right.
 
Canes1968 said:
You serious Clark? Most schools are losing money on sports. And the ones that turn a profit, those profits are pennies relative to their annual university budgets. The universities do not need sports at all.
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Lol. The NCAA will not disband college football and the NFL doesn’t owe them a free or subsidized healthcare plan.
Are you serious?
 
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Canes1968 said:
@RVACane you can laugh all you want but you’ve provided no evidence to support your position.
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What position? That the NCAA won’t disband CFB if the NFL refuses to subsidize their healthcare plan to cover all CFB athletes?

You have to know there’s no chance. I’m laughing because you called me Clark... and a little bit because I can’t believe you think this is tenable.
 
Dhatguy said:
Who would’ve thought that making money off of one’s own likeness would be such a big deal to other people?
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The NCAA does not have altruistic intentions here. They want all of the money and all of the control and they don’t want either diluted with compensation to players. There is an element of “sharecropping” in this system.
 
RVACane said:
What position? That the NCAA won’t disband CFB if the NFL refuses to subsidize their healthcare plan to cover all CFB athletes?

You have to know there’s no chance. I’m laughing because you called me Clark... and a little bit because I can’t believe you think this is tenable.
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I never said the Universities would actually disband sports. I said they have all the leverage and if they wanted to make the NFL pay, all they would have to do is threaten to disband sports.

It won’t happen. I know that. But, it’s also important to note that sports are not some great financial windfall for universities and most universities aren’t all that happy about the fact that the revenue sports no longer align well with their greater university mission.
 
RVACane said:
The NCAA does not have altruistic intentions here. They want all of the money and all of the control and they don’t want either diluted with compensation to players. There is an element of “sharecropping” in this system.
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Tell me, who exactly is getting all this money?
 
RightSaidFred said:
In professional soccer, farm teams own the "rights" to certain players they develop. They sell those rights to the major teams.

It's not about who SHOULD bear the burden. Really the question to be asking is - why doesn't the NCAA find a way to monetize the service they do to the NFL in developing football talent?

Imagine where Miami would be today if the school got a cut of every NFL contract its alumni signed. We would be a very rich program.
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This is a different way of looking at it the way you have put it. I have no problem with the NCAA trying to monetize their farm league. They have a right to try and the NFL has a right to say yay or nay. I do have a problem with them and the NFL enriching themselves while preventing college kids from earning some money. I don’t get how this isn’t an anti-trust issue.
 
Canes1968 said:
Tell me, who exactly is getting all this money?
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Every school in the SEC, ACC, PAC, BIG... all get revenues from tv contracts and other avenues. Coaches and NCAA executives are making a lot of money. Good for them but don’t stop the kids from earning.
 
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RVACane said:
The NCAA does not have altruistic intentions here. They want all of the money and all of the control and they don’t want either diluted with compensation to players. There is an element of “sharecropping” in this system.
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I agree completely but knowing this site I ain’t gone comment any further lol.
 
RVACane said:
Every school in the SEC, ACC, PAC, BIG... all get revenues from tv contracts and other avenues. Coaches and NCAA executives are making a lot of money. Good for them but don’t stop the kids from earning.
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What do the schools in the conferences do with that money? You realize most schools’ athletic departments operate at a loss right? Seems to me that those schools are reinvesting those revenues in their student athletes, no?
 
Canes1968 said:
What do the schools in the conferences do with that money? You realize most schools’ athletic departments operate at a loss right? Seems to me that those schools are reinvesting those revenues in their student athletes, no?
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I don’t think the NCAA body as an organization is operating at a loss and they’re driving this.
 
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