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Re: Pay for Play...the NCAA is not the villain

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RVACane said:
That’s a very good point. Is that done as part of an agreement with the NCAA??? The NCAA allows one and done in basketball. There could be anti-trust concerns here too if the NCAA is involved with the NFL here. How do they restrict the ability of one group of athletes (football) from earning a living until a certain number of years out of high school on an unequal timeframe to a different group (basketball)??? Is there an age discrimination component too???

I don’t know the answers but I always felt that the NFL and the NCAA walk a thin line here.
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I’m pretty sure it’s the nfl that decides that (but the ncaa loves it ) they put the rules on who isndraft eligible
 
miamicanephins said:
The NFL doesn't need cfb.

The NFL could absolutely set up a developmental league if it wanted to. It could sell franchises to the highest bidders, which there would be hundreds of people wanting in. The NFL has all the infrastructure in place, cash, marketing, popularity, advertising, college coaches would bounce, tv contracts, etc.

I'm sure the NFL is already making what if plans.
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LOL...no it couldn’t. It’s basic economics. Because of the size of rosters in the NFL, the shear volume of minor league teams required to feed the NFL would be cost prohibitive. The NFL couldn’t afford it, and they wouldn’t get much help from revenues this league would produce because nobody would watch that ****, just like nobody watches any other minor leagues in this country.

Think about it. There are hundreds of schools feeding the current NFL system and thousands of players. The NFL couldn’t afford to subsidize a system robust enough for their needs.
 
PanamaCityCanes said:
Good grief.

And if players are allowed to profit from their likeness, what is stopping Tuscaloosa Chevy from paying a fortune for a guy's likeness?
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Then let their dumbasses go bankrupt lol You really think the good ole boys is paying anything that's going to hurt their pockets?
 
JD08 said:
I'm not saying I don't agree, but society has pushed to redefine "kids". The same people who believe you should be able to sue and win because your hot coffee was served hot would have a field day the first time a teenager got seriously injured.
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The lawsuit filed against Mc Donald's wasn't simply because the patron burnt herself with hot coffee. It was because the coffee was served at a temperature higher than allowed by law. It sound stupid but there are laws against scalding hot coffee.
 
JD08 said:
I'm not saying I don't agree, but society has pushed to redefine "kids". The same people who believe you should be able to sue and win because your hot coffee was served hot would have a field day the first time a teenager got seriously injured.
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For the nfl It’s all about getting a free farm system and having an extra 3 years to evaluate players
 
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HamburgerSV said:
Not sure what you’re talking about. You saying the backup center is going to be confused as to why he’s not making as much as the all star QB ?
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Im saying its not fair across the board. It will cause division amongst the team. Simple concept really. Then also schools can sale players on the fact they have higher jersey sales so come here instead of miami or other programs.


But i assume you dont understand the definition of amateur.
 
RVACane said:
That’s a very good point. Is that done as part of an agreement with the NCAA??? The NCAA allows one and done in basketball. There could be anti-trust concerns here too if the NCAA is involved with the NFL here. How do they restrict the ability of one group of athletes (football) from earning a living until a certain number of years out of high school on an unequal timeframe to a different group (basketball)??? Is there an age discrimination component too???

I don’t know the answers but I always felt that the NFL and the NCAA walk a thin line here.
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It’s 100% an NFL decision and rule.
 
ALLoverCANE said:
Walk through why this would happen. I have yet to hear a compelling reason.
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What teams in the country have the highest jersey sales? Do you think its Miami? So you dont think schools will sale recruits that they can make more money at Alabama, Clemson, ohio state, and so on. Its another way miami will lose recruits.
 
Canes1968 said:
Because they couldn’t exist without it. They have a vested interest in the health of the CFB system and are getting a free ride.
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But the NCAA and the NFL are two distinct business entities. Just because the NFL benefits from the college system doesn’t empower anyone to mandate that the NFL pay money to this other business (the NCAA) because of that ancillary benefit.
 
crossover22[]_[] said:
Im saying its not fair across the board. It will cause division amongst the team. Simple concept really. Then also schools can sale players on the fact they have higher jersey sales so come here instead of miami or other programs.


But i assume you dont understand the definition of amateur.
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lol it’s not fair ? The all star QB NOT getting more than a backup center is actually not fair. The better player you are the more opportunities you will get to make money off the field, simple concept really and extremely fair. Just say it’s because you think This will be bad for Miami. No reason to make up other excuses
 
Canes1968 said:
Because they couldn’t exist without it. They have a vested interest in the health of the CFB system and are getting a free ride.
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How many kids would grow up playing football if the NFL didn't exist? The ultimate goal is the pros, not college football. CFB needs the NFL just as much.
 
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Silentobserver said:
Sport for the spectator is meaningless outside of entertainment.

Tradition in its practice isn't rational. A practice that is repeated solely for the sake of we've always have done it like this is far from rational.

The notion of competitive sports being necessary to the scholastic experience, because of tradition once again doesn't seem rational especially when we look at the history of organized sport (starting from children's sport). Organized sports became a thing as part of the militaristic nationalism of the 19th century (it occurred in Europe as well as here) where it became clear that in order for a nation's men to be ready physically for war they must train for war earlier than enlistment.

My reason for asking my initial question stems from the idea of removing organized competitive sports from high schools and colleges, and implementing a system like European soccer. Individuals who demonstrate a skill or potential to develop within a sport would go off to academies to develop that skill/potential. Essentially, removing sport from schools sans intramurals. Competitive sports as an organized entity is purely entertainment masked in the name of tradition and pageantry. Cut out the nonsense and treat it as such. We allow children to make a living in Hollywood; there is no reason to limit children from doing the same with sport.
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You must be a blast at parties.

Sports are good for childhood and adolescent development and have shown a positive correlation to academic and holistic personal progress.

I believe in being a well-rounded individual. At one time in western history, it would have been acceptable to call such a person a "Renaissance Man", and it would have been considered a compliment.

It seems that your view is that there is one and only one reason for an individual to pursue an activity and that is to make it a full time avocation. Sounds like a dreary future, to me. Really, it seems a dreary view of humanity, as though we are all intended only to serve as a functionary cog in a machine.

Personally, I think there's nothing wrong with 97% (or whatever the actual number is) of college athletes going pro in something other than sports. Blowing up the entire system to suit the 3% seems a bit crazier. But, as I've said before, I don't pretend to have all the answers, I just acknowledge that this is an immensely complicated subject that seems destined to create a lot of turmoil and upheaval.
 
HamburgerSV said:
lol it’s not fair ? The all star QB NOT getting more than a backup center is actually not fair. The better player you are the more opportunities you will get to make money off the field, simple concept really and extremely fair. Just say it’s because you think This will be bad for Miami. No reason to make up other excuses
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Lol so you think the guys not making money will be happy watching the allstars get big money?


I love how you keep skipping over that they are amateur athletes that are recieving 100s of thousands of dollars in education, room, and food.

And ive already stated its bad for Miami.
 
moshated305 said:
How many kids would grow up playing football if the NFL didn't exist? The ultimate goal is the pros, not college football. CFB needs the NFL just as much.
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Ridiculous argument. College sports existed for decades before pro sports did. And there are plenty of sports that kids, adolescents, and adults play that either don't have professional levels such as the NFL, or in which the participants never intend on going pro.

People play sports because of love of the game and competition.
 
Canes1968 said:
With all this talk about pay for play, I think people are confusing who the real villain is in this scheme. Sure, the NCAA isn't perfect, but they are far from being the real villain. The REAL villain is the NFL. The NFL benefits from the college system more than anybody else. The college system is a free farm league for the NFL without which, the NFL simply could not exist. Unlike other sports where minor leagues and developmental leagues can be maintained at relatively low cost, football requires enormous amounts of overhead, and as such, the NFL could not possibly afford to build a robust minor league of the size and quality necessary to maintain quality of play for 32 teams. They are entirely dependent on the free farm system that the NCAA provides. They offer no financial support to the system, while sitting back and reaping the overwhelming majority of the benefits, and they are perfectly content with all the sheep that believe its really the NCAA that is ******** everybody over.

If anybody should be paying college football players, it should be the NFL.

And, before anybody gets it twisted, college football could and would survive without the NFL. College football doesn't need the NFL, but the NFL certainly does need college football.
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I think the NFL pays its fair share with those LUCRATIVE bonuses and contracts which 1st Round and 2nd round selections sign. dUh Especially in today's NFL. For example, back in the day ( Think 50's and 60's. ) the VAST MAJORITY of NFL roster plays had JOBS during the summer off-season. And that's no joke, bloke. hUh Heck, even in the Disco Duck seventies NFL players weren't reaping the incoming cash cow flow, which the upper-echelon personalities received.
 
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