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JHallCanes said:
Also I hate to move the goal posts but one thing that has always driven me nuts about Mario is if we are trying to avoid negative plays (which ok cool) and be tough and disciplined etc

Then why the **** is the OL getting so many pre snap penalties this year?

But maybe I should delete this and not give myself the blood pressure spike
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the presnap penalties this year have been inexecutable ... four guys played major snaps last year
 
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ageezy said:
happy to have him back ... but it sorta messed up the vibe ... anybody else got that feeling? ... would have love to see more fletcher ... feeding three backs is gonna be a challenge

fletcher 12 for 40
brown 6 for 19
lyle 7 for 18
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Did feel a little forced for longer than I expected, but we needed to get his feet wet.
 
I mean we are going to ***** if he didn’t play against fsu and think it’s big pharma holding him out.

Thought there was normal rust but he made a nice check down catch and made something out of nothing. Critical to have all 3 healthy.
 
JHallCanes said:
Nothing personal but I’ve been reading this for like 3 years now

Anyone ever consider we run tight splits and keep things between the tackles and give our OL help from the TEs because we actually aren’t a great run blocking OL?

Or do we think Mirabal and Mario are elite coaches that also don’t know the strengths and weaknesses of their OL and have Dawson consistently call plays that go against what we are good at?

Genuinely asking
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No way do I think our OL isn't that good at run blocking. I just think it's a different scheme than most are accustomed to. I've heard that what we do is an intentional strategy. The coaches (allegedly) know that running up the gut doesn't usually lead to chunk plays, but it does accomplish two things:
1. Wears down opposing defenses.
2. Limits (almost eliminates) negative plays on 1st/2nd down.
I haven't done the homework, but others have and the data showed at the time that we had almost zero negative yardage run plays (sacks excluded - pause), which backs up the theory about staying ahead of the sticks. 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust creates a lot of 3rd and 3's which are significantly easier to convert than 3rd and 8's. It seems to track.

On a slight tangent, I think Mario coaches a lot like Dave Roberts from the Dodgers. Data, data, data and more data is used to make decisions. I'm cool with that approach to a point; it's just robotic asf to watch.
 
BigDikDaddyFromCincinnati said:
No way do I think our OL isn't that good at run blocking. I just think it's a different scheme than most are accustomed to. I've heard that what we do is an intentional strategy. The coaches (allegedly) know that running up the gut doesn't usually lead to chunk plays, but it does accomplish two things:
1. Wears down opposing defenses.
2. Limits (almost eliminates) negative plays on 1st/2nd down.
I haven't done the homework, but others have and the data showed at the time that we had almost zero negative yardage run plays (sacks excluded - pause), which backs up the theory about staying ahead of the sticks. 3-4 yards and a cloud of dust creates a lot of 3rd and 3's which are significantly easier to convert than 3rd and 8's. It seems to track.

On a slight tangent, I think Mario coaches a lot like Dave Roberts from the Dodgers. Data, data, data and more data is used to make decisions. I'm cool with that approach to a point; it's just robotic asf to watch.
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Everything you said was true the only thing I need to see cleaned up is those procedural penalties. That philosophy goes out the door when you put us behind the chains on early downs.
 
JHallCanes said:
Yeah and this is the whole chicken or the egg thing right?

I’ve been listening to the tight splits thing for 3 years but yall just ignore it when people that know what they’re talking about tell us why they do it and why it’s beneficial

So we are just back to Mario/Mirabal/Dawson being stupid or what?

It’s just been constantly pointing to a “problem” but never a solution based on anything other than “DO IT DIFFERENT” so I have no clue
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can someone do the homework and determine how often the team runs in tight formation v spread'out-formation?
 
Small sample size but can't remember one touch he's had this year (or going all the way back to the WF game last year) that justifies him being RB1 for ND, or receiving any carries over Fletcher or Brown. We might need to come to grips with Lyle just not being all that great.
 
We ran Lyle outside twice against FSU. I think we were trying to get him outside on his final carry too when we pulled Cooper (who was playing LG, weird) and Bell. I wonder if there is a pre-snap tell when we pull our OL to run outside? In theory getting these giants moving with a head of steam should work a whole lot better than it usually does.
 
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rok said:
Small sample size but can't remember one touch he's had this year (or going all the way back to the WF game last year) that justifies him being RB1 for ND, or receiving any carries over Fletcher or Brown. We might need to come to grips with Lyle just not being all that great.
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You are crazy if you think Lyle won’t be great
 
rsa coral gables said:
can someone do the homework and determine how often the team runs in tight formation v spread'out-formation?
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I'll try to chart the FSU game before bed tonight, not doing the rest though lol. Lyle's best run against FSU was when we motioned the trips out pretty wide for us on the short side of the field, and just blocked the run with our 5 OL (which I think is pretty rare for us). I think he's much better suited running out out spread than condensed.

@rsa coral gables should I consider it "spread" if 1 TE is inline or motioning but the rest of the receivers aren't clustered close to the line? Or should "spread" be only if we run with our 5OL blocking and no TE?
 
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FSU sold out to stop the run. Lyle in the mix didn't affect that. Teams may continue to pick that poison. It might make the most sense, putting the games on Beck, since there's more chances for missed throws/drops/INT's, vs running it down their throats. I would like to see Lyle on some wheel routes to let him use that speed.
 
flips said:
We ran Lyle outside twice against FSU. I think we were trying to get him outside on his final carry too when we pulled Cooper (who was playing LG, weird) and Bell. I wonder if there is a pre-snap tell when we pull our OL to run outside? In theory getting these giants moving with a head of steam should work a whole lot better than it usually does.
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Yeah and let’s be real we’ve only had two games in the last 3-4 weeks and both were against legit defenses that tried to stop the run

We will see how this next chunk of games shakes out against lesser competition up front
 
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jakeman1 said:
FSU sold out to stop the run. Lyle in the mix didn't affect that. Teams may continue to pick that poison. It might make the most sense, putting the games on Beck, since there's more chances for missed throws/drops/INT's, vs running it down their throats. I would like to see Lyle on some wheel routes to let him use that speed.
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this is true. they stacked the box the first two quarters, but not the third. they stacked it again in the fourth when they knew we were going to run to kill the clock
 
ageezy said:
happy to have him back ... but it sorta messed up the vibe ... anybody else got that feeling? ... would have love to see more fletcher ... feeding three backs is gonna be a challenge

fletcher 12 for 40
brown 6 for 19
lyle 7 for 18
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So one thing that I am not sure has been covered .... pass blocking
- have not heard anything on Lyle's ability to P/B
- but I have heard Fletch and Brown are elite
 
ncncanes said:
So one thing that I am not sure has been covered .... pass blocking
- have not heard anything on Lyle's ability to P/B
- but I have heard Fletch and Brown are elite
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I think a bit of that can be deduced by who the coaches put out their first series of the ND game. I don't think Lyle starts that game if there are pass blocking concerns with him.
 
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