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Ray Lewis III has passed

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Correct me if I am wrong but didnt Ray III have some type of illness that caused him to quit football or is that someone else? Still though to lose a child............😥
 
rsa coral gables said:
I apologize for the statement that I made earlier about Ray Lewis. It was wrong and the thought that I had hoped to express should not have been expressed in that context at that time. it was wrong, very wrong. I have deleted the comment although it remains when quoted here.
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AtlAtty said:
I don’t want to start a big thing because this is about his son, but I was in the Fulton DA’s Office at the time Ray Lewis was prosecuted. it was obvious that Ray had no part in the murders. His mistake was not being honest after the fact about what people in his group did (bigger mistake was for making a statement at all).
But I can tell you with 100% certainly, having seen the actual evidence, that Ray Lewis had no part in the murders and did not even know that what was occurring was anything more than a weaponless, street brawl. In fact all the bystanders thought it was guys punching each other, not a stabbing due to the type of the weapons being surreptitiously used and time of night.

If you ever want exact details, I can fill them in.

See below for details. The flood gates are open
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Ray Lewis III's cause of death revealed

Ray Lewis Jr, who was found dead in a house near Orlando on Wednesday, died from an accidental drug overdose, it emerged on Friday. His father is NFL legend Ray Lewis.
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That's sad... I've been clean coming up on ten years .... Dealt with a ton of people going through it... In 2012 a ex- girlfriend of mine committed suicide ,yes she was actively using often...
When that happened it really hit me hard and was a big catalyst to me getting clean....
 
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AtlAtty said:
In an effort to break up the fight, Ray got his group into their limo. It was not until they were in the limo that Ray and others learned that the 2 assailants (names escape me) were not just punching but actually stabbing. They were armed with these little knives that you carry between your fingers and are meant to be used by making a fist. From the outside it looks like the assailant is punching the victim, which they were. What can’t be seen, especially at 2am, is that a small blade is protruding between the index and middle finger. Even the victims did not know at first that they were being stabbed.

In the limo was a fairly big group and they all learned what happened from the assailants. The assailants also had blood on them and their clothes, and threw the clothes away. Ray was not ”in charge” so he was not making the decisions about what to do with the clothes. But in a statement to police very early in the investigation (never should have spoken, bad legal advice from a friend of mine who was not a criminal defense specialist), he denied having any knowledge of bloody clothes. Evidence came out during the pre-trial investigation and at trial from other witnesses in the limo that the assailants had disposed of their bloody clothes in a dumpster (or something like a dumpster).

When Ray was offered a plea deal, he had to plead to some crime or continue with the trial. In retrospect he made a mistake taking the deal but we can all understand taking a misdemeanor obstruction charge instead of taking a chance with a jury and a mandatory life sentence. Anyway, the parties settled upon the misdemeanor obstruction charge. It was discussed with the NFL prior to the plea so Ray knew he would still be able to play but would pay a substantial fine.

Ray testified at trial against the assailants and was the BEST witness the Govt had, but by that time his credibility with the jury was shot because the prosecution spent months attacking him. So the killers were found not guilty.

The correct way to prosecute that case would have been to offer Ray the misdemeanor plea well before trial for the clothes. Make him a witness early on and the 2 assailants would have been convicted. But the then DA of Fulton County, Paul Howard, wanted to prosecute a celebrity. And the then Mayor of Atlanta, now better known as felon Bill Campbell, made a public statement within 48 hours of the murders that they would go after Ray Lewis.

It was a textbook example of how not to prosecute a case. Instead of letting the evidence dictate the prosecution, a decision was made to go after a specific person and then a prosecution had to be built focusing on the wrong person. 2 killers were found not guilty because of this incompetence and arrogance.

Feel free to ask specific questions, but now I am tired.
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So, Ray was just a calm peacemaker getting ihiz pals into limo? No idea what he’d just witnessed? No idea why there was blood everywhere? Or why folks would be shooting at his limo as it fled the scene?

Witnesses heard these guys dying in the street, the screaming, gurgling - including a young woman who watched from her apartment window above. But Ray had no clue?

You’re right, Ray was saved by an incompetent, overmatched prosecutors office that made the O.J. prosecutors look smart.

Terrible news about his son. Can’t say it enough. Absolutely painful. That said, Ray lost this loyal Canes fan after the tragedy in Atlanta.
 
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bacane said:
So, Ray was just a calm peacemaker getting ihiz pals into limo? No idea what he’d just witnessed? No idea why there was blood everywhere? Or why folks would be shooting at his limo as it fled the scene?

Witnesses heard these guys dying in the street, the screaming, gurgling - including a young woman who watched from her apartment window above. But Ray had no clue?

You’re right, Ray was saved by an incompetent, overmatched prosecutors office that made the O.J. prosecutors look smart.

Terrible news about his son. Can’t say it enough. Absolutely painful. That said, Ray lost this loyal Canes fan after the tragedy in Atlanta.
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If you want to misconstrue what I wrote, that is your prerogative. If you want to remain intentionally ignorant, that is your prerogative.

But if you think you know more about the case than me, you are out of your mind. Or maybe you were somehow involved in the case and I just don’t remember you? You were not in the DA’s office so that can’t be the answer. Were you on the defense teams, because I worked with or against all of those lawyers in my career and I don’t recall your presence? Or maybe you have argued over 30 murder cases and 75 felony cases to a jury verdict in your legal career like I have so you understand law and evidence better than I do.

Or maybe are you just like 99.9% of the people in the world you have an opinion and absolutely no basis for your opinion other than some BS like, “the 1st amendment means I can write all the stupid sh*t that I want”. Well congrats because you have proven your case that we allow people on CIS to write all the stupid sh*t that they want.
 
AtlAtty said:
If you want to misconstrue what I wrote, that is your prerogative. If you want to remain intentionally ignorant, that is your prerogative.

But if you think you know more about the case than me, you are out of your mind. Or maybe you were somehow involved in the case and I just don’t remember you? You were not in the DA’s office so that can’t be the answer. Were you on the defense teams, because I worked with or against all of those lawyers in my career and I don’t recall your presence? Or maybe you have argued over 30 murder cases and 75 felony cases to a jury verdict in your legal career like I have so you understand law and evidence better than I do.

Or maybe are you just like 99.9% of the people in the world you have an opinion and absolutely no basis for your opinion other than some BS like, “the 1st amendment means I can write all the stupid sh*t that I want”. Well congrats because you have proven your case that we allow people on CIS to write all the stupid sh*t that they want.
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Not only that, he also pulls the usual weepy emotional bull**** that is designed to override the facts in an attempt to get you to find someone guilty when they are not guilty.

"Guys dying in the street"

"The screaming, gurgling"

"A young woman who watched from her apartment window above"

WHO GIVES A ****. As you pointed out, it was dark and the knives used were ones that were incorporated into a punching motion, not a stabbing motion. So when people leave a violent situation (whether it's just a fistfight or more), then all the stuff left behind means NOTHING in a true legal/awareness/intent sense.
Oh, the "gurgling"...**** that nonsense. While it's sad and tragic, it has no bearing on whether Ray knew what was happening.

I've tried to discuss this with other people who have already formed hard-and-fast opinions, and they want to dismiss what I said because of my alma mater. The reality, though, is something very different. It's sad that some people died, but people can miss me with that "screaming and gurgling" bull****.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
Not only that, he also pulls the usual weepy emotional bull**** that is designed to override the facts in an attempt to get you to find someone guilty when they are not guilty.

"Guys dying in the street"

"The screaming, gurgling"

"A young woman who watched from her apartment window above"

WHO GIVES A ****. As you pointed out, it was dark and the knives used were ones that were incorporated into a punching motion, not a stabbing motion. So when people leave a violent situation (whether it's just a fistfight or more), then all the stuff left behind means NOTHING in a true legal/awareness/intent sense.
Oh, the "gurgling"...**** that nonsense. While it's sad and tragic, it has no bearing on whether Ray knew what was happening.

I've tried to discuss this with other people who have already formed hard-and-fast opinions, and they want to dismiss what I said because of my alma mater. The reality, though, is something very different. It's sad that some people died, but people can miss me with that "screaming and gurgling" bull****.
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Correct as to your first point.
Does @bacane think the Fulotn DA’s office plead the case to a misdemeanor obstruction because they were ignoring evidence of screaming and gurgling? That they chose to indict and prosecute a guilty man, but decided at the last second that 12 months of probation would be a better result?

I’m like you in that I stay away from this topic because people assume we went to UM and will support anything UM. But I do think people on CIS should know the truth which is why I took the time to outline the actual facts, not the emotionally provocative words you point out.

And I even invited people to ask me specific questions as I could not reasonably outline every fact in 3-4 paragraphs as you know.
 
rsa coral gables said:
I apologize for the statement that I made earlier about Ray Lewis. It was wrong and the thought that I had hoped to express should not have been expressed in that context at that time. it was wrong, very wrong. I have deleted the comment although it remains when quoted here.
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While I found your post pretty outrageous, I can respect a person who swiftly owns up to their mistake(s).
 
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