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ALLoverCANE said:
It's the same trend for 20+ years lol and the advanced stats always rank the SEC as the best conference

It's ludicrous to even suggest the SEC isn't the best lol
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Notice how you didn't address a single thing I wrote.

Tackle this one: Arkansas competes with every single ranked SEC team on their schedule. I mean, right down to the wire. Outside the SEC? They lost to Memphis and got obliterated by Notre Dame. But yeah, Missouri vs Vanderbilt is an epic battle because they were both "ranked".
 
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TaylorWalls said:
Notice how you didn't address a single thing I wrote.

Tackle this one: Arkansas competes with every single ranked SEC team on their schedule. I mean, right down to the wire. Outside the SEC? They lost to Memphis and got obliterated by Notre Dame. But yeah, Missouri vs Vanderbilt is an epic battle because they were both "ranked".
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Huh? Do you want me to address your specific cherry-picked examples? Lol

The advanced ratings AND the basic metrics AND Vegas AND the polls all have the SEC at the top.

You can pretend otherwise, but it's clearly the best conference.
 
PennsylvaniaCane said:
LSU dropped out of the top 25 but are sitting at like 29th or 30th. Just close enough to squeeze back in in case someone needs a top 25 win
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At this point, would it be better if they expand the playoffs, even if not like basketball??? They’re going to squeeze all these SEC teams in and then the big will get a good amount in. It would give more teams outside those two conferences a chance.
 
ALLoverCANE said:
Sure, go ahead and use advanced metrics then.

Pick any you want. I looked up Sagarin and SEC is #1 there by a wide margin.

The SEC is obviously the best conference.
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Sagarin? Isn’t that one of the Computers that put FSU over us in 2000, ignoring the head to head matchup?

I won’t argue that the SEC has probably two better Top 25 teams, than the ACC, but if one cannot see the bias of the preseason polling and its effects on who drops by how much or gains by how much, in the polls midseason, then I can’t help you.

Missouri, LSU and Texas are not good teams. They maintain their rankings, or stay close, based upon conference name. Texas is only still ranked because the worst team in the SEC couldn’t kick a punt out of bounds, yesterday with less than 2 minutes on the clock.
 
ALLoverCANE said:
Sure, go ahead and use advanced metrics then.

Pick any you want. I looked up Sagarin and SEC is #1 there by a wide margin.

The SEC is obviously the best conference.
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Quality in the SEC is probably deeper than it’s ever been. Even the lower tier teams give the big boys trouble. Would just say it appears the top teams aren’t as dominant as in recent years.
 
RF-4CCane said:
Sagarin? Isn’t that one of the Computers that put FSU over us in 2000, ignoring the head to head matchup?

I won’t argue that the SEC has probably two better Top 25 teams, than the ACC, but if one cannot see the bias of the preseason polling and its effects on who drops by how much or gains by how much, in the polls midseason, then I can’t help you.

Missouri, LSU and Texas are not good teams. They maintain their rankings, or stay close, based upon conference name. Texas is only still ranked because the worst team in the SEC couldn’t kick a punt out of bounds, yesterday with less than 2 minutes on the clock.
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If you don't like Sagarin, pick a rating system - any rating system - that has any league even close to the SEC.

There are none.

The counterarguments are all cherry-picking.
 
bacane said:
Quality in the SEC is probably deeper than it’s ever been. Even the lower tier teams give the big boys trouble. Would just say it appears the top teams aren’t as dominant as in recent years.
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The top 2 teams in the country are in the Big 10, imo. But I'm not sure if the third Big 10 team is all that good. ****, the third best Big 10 team might be Iowa...
 
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CanefaninBuckeyeland said:
This is CFB, not the NFL. It's not just about winning (though it is #1), it's how you win. Like I said in another thread, this is a beauty contest. In every single one of our wins (with the exception of USF), we and the media have been forced to say "yeah they won, but...". We are not dominant, though we've had dominant moments; we are not explosive outside of Mali doing some incredible work; and we're just not exciting AT ALL.

There's no reason why we have to choose between winning while being boring and losing, but exciting. How about winning while being exciting? Novel concept to a caveman right!

And for an absolute monster in recruiting, CMC makes it so much more difficult on himself when a prospect looks at the tape and sees an uninspiring, plodding offense. What exactly are you selling? Seriously, if you're a top rb, what about this offense is appealing? How about at Wr?

Yes, we are winning; yes, we've had moments of dominance; and yes, we are a playoff-caliber team. But I want a championship-caliber team that scares the crap out of opponents because we're dominant in every aspect of the game. Right now we're like the girl from Old School who looks really good next to her ugly friends, but when you isolate solely on her...

This long *** rant is brought to you by the one and only @TheOriginalCane Glad to have you back man!
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Respectful question - who are the “championship caliber” teams this year? Indiana so far is the only one I’ve seen, and I’m not really sold on them. Who you got?
 
can someone ******* explain how the **** Oregon is at #6 please?

their 7 wins are:
Montana State (AAC)
Oklahoma State (1-7)
Northwestern
Oregon State (1-7)
Penn State (3-4)
Rutgers (4-4)
Wisconsin (2-6)

their only win against a team with a winning record is against (5-3) Northwestern. Northwestern lost to the green wave of Tulane by 20 points
 
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Headhunter said:
can someone ******* explain how the **** Oregon is still #6 with 2 losses at home please?

their 7 wins are:

Montana State (AAC)
Oklahoma State (1-7)
Northwestern (5-3 (lost to Tulane by 20)
Oregon State (1-7)
Penn State (3-4)
Rutgers (4-4)
Wisconsin (2-6)
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Nice selection of uniforms & popular brand.
 
FL Cane said:
Can anyone explain to me why Vanderbilt is ranked ahead of us, or even in the Top 15? Their best wins are 5-3 LSU and Mizzou with a backup QB.
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Don't forget #11 USCe with their backup QB.

Vandy KO'd Sellers on what turned out to be targeting and an ejection. Not a bad trade off. Hurt the opposing teams QB at the cost of missing one half of one game. It was 14-7 at the time of the injury.

It's all about SEC hype though. Good team or not, they still get the SEC boost.
 
RVACane said:
At this point, would it be better if they expand the playoffs, even if not like basketball??? They’re going to squeeze all these SEC teams in and then the big will get a good amount in. It would give more teams outside those two conferences a chance.
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Until there is more cross conference play that is meaningful you’d almost have to expand. Instead each of the conferences are expanding and increasing conf schedules.

Get rid of the conference championship games and FCS games. Go with a 32 team playoff.

People will become more and more skeptical over the whole process, especially with everything going on these days (NBA betting scandal). You almost have to go with an expanded playoff and get as many top teams in it you can.
 
ALLoverCANE said:
If you don't like Sagarin, pick a rating system - any rating system - that has any league even close to the SEC.

There are none.

The counterarguments are all cherry-picking.
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There is no legitimate rating system at this time.

Let me just point out how bad Sagarin is, other than the fact they have UM at #8 well over Vandy AND Ole Miss.

Sagarin has Oregon at #2 with one loss and no Top 25 wins.

Has Notre Dame at #4 with 2 losses to UM and TAMU, both ranked beneath them and no Top 25 wins.

4-4 KSU ranked over 7-1 UVA.

2 loss Utah ranked over 1 loss Vandy with no Top 25 wins.

2 loss Texas over 1 loss Vandy and 1 loss Ole Miss, and despite less quality wins.

2 loss USC over unbeaten GT and BYU.

4 loss PSU over Mizzou, Michigan, OU and GT.

Do you see why these rankings are just garbage in, garbage out?

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ALLoverCANE said:
Huh? Do you want me to address your specific cherry-picked examples? Lol

The advanced ratings AND the basic metrics AND Vegas AND the polls all have the SEC at the top.

You can pretend otherwise, but it's clearly the best conference.
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Wait, why are we talking about "bEst cOnFErence"? Teams are evaluated based on their individual resumes. Missouri doesn't get extra credit for being in the SEC.

As for "cherry picked examples", how many more would you like?
 
bacane said:
Quality in the SEC is probably deeper than it’s ever been. Even the lower tier teams give the big boys trouble. Would just say it appears the top teams aren’t as dominant as in recent years.
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Or, more likely, the big boys aren't as deep as they used to be...

Saban ain't walkin' through that door rollin' 5 stars off the bench.
 
RF-4CCane said:
There is no legitimate rating system at this time.

Let me just point out how bad Sagarin is, other than the fact they have UM at #8 well over Vandy AND Ole Miss.

Sagarin has Oregon at #2 with one loss and no Top 25 wins.

Has Notre Dame at #4 with 2 losses to UM and TAMU, both ranked beneath them and no Top 25 wins.

4-4 KSU ranked over 7-1 UVA.

2 loss Utah ranked over 1 loss Vandy with no Top 25 wins.

2 loss Texas over 1 loss Vandy and 1 loss Ole Miss, and despite less quality wins.

2 loss USC over unbeaten GT and BYU.

4 loss PSU over Mizzou, Michigan, OU and GT.

Do you see why these rankings are just garbage in, garbage out?

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LOL that's your argument? There is just no way to assess conference quality?

BTW, Vegas very clearly agrees the SEC is the best conference, based on the spreads.
 
TaylorWalls said:
Wait, why are we talking about "bEst cOnFErence"? Teams are evaluated based on their individual resumes. Missouri doesn't get extra credit for being in the SEC.

As for "cherry picked examples", how many more would you like?
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So you criticize me for a small sample size and then base your entire argument on a handful of examples lmao classic message board argument

Again, the ratings, polls, resume, and (most importantly) Vegas all think the SEC is the best conference. Yes, obviously conference quality matters in this discussion, because good conferences have good teams - like Vanderbilt
 
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