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Question: What is elite to my CIS's family and.......

Groz73Cane said:
I believe, it’s an unknown for us. A lot of kids are ELITE in HS. At The next level it remains to be seen. Herschel wasn’t elite until he was. Until he trampled Bill Bates on his way to the end zone. Sayers wasn’t until he dead legged his way thru defenses for 5 and 6 tds a game. We will wait and see when the cream rises to the top, until then just kids playing hard carrying the ball.
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Ask all those many players that needed fenders replaced and extensive bodywork if Herschel wasn't ELITE long before steam rolling Bates in the UTenn/UGA game.

Herschel was a man playing amongst boys until he got to the Pro's.

I've seen some truly ELITE backs over the years. They excel and maintain that status throughout HS, college and the Pro's.

I do agree that that designation is given out far too liberally today and must be earned over the long term and at highest levels of competition

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Kayone said:
Elite is established in the trenches than the QB. That’s what make a team Elite. You have to have an OLine and a DLine that consistently cause havoc. The skilled players, in my opinion, are great pieces, but they aren’t what makes a team Elite.
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I disagree. O line matters for sure but it's not the end all be all.

FSU didnt have the greatest line when dalvin & Winston were there. Their play was so good it made the line look better.

Another example is Barry Sanders in Detroit. Could have broken the rushing record with post poor lines his entire career. He made the lines look better than they were.

That's what elite is. The ability to make others look better by your play.
 
MainLineCane said:
Ask all those many players that needed fenders replaced and extensive bodywork if Herschel wasn't ELITE long before steam rolling Bates in the UTenn/UGA game.

Herschel was a man playing amongst boys until he got to the Pro's.

I've seen some truly ELITE backs over the years. They excel and maintain that status throughout HS, college and the Pro's.

I do agree that that designation is given out far too liberally today and must be earned over the long term and at highest levels of competition

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Agree100%, Jim Brown was one also.
 
1mg of Epi said:
What is this 1984?
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He was hurt in late October and had surgery I believe in early November.

Although the nuclear launch codes are easier to obtain than an answer on what actually happened to this kid, if it really is an ACL, the Gator game would be less than 10 months after surgery. You're confident he'd be 100% full go for that game with zero limitations and the same explosiveness/ability?

Don't be silly. I'm well aware of the advances made in medicine and recovery when it comes to athletes and knee injuries. You're out of your mind if you think a 19 year old kid is completely over an ACL tear in 10 months.

I know each kid is different, but look at Lawrence Cager. He tore his ACL in July of 2016. He didn't look right until WELL into the 2017 season, and many on this site were talking about the ND game before he was truly "back". That's 15 months.

So, OK, maybe I shouldn't have said don't expect him this year. I'll retract that. Don't expect to see him against UF, and don't expect to see a 5-star player this year. Better?
 
brock said:
Who has ever said lingard had an acl injury last year ? Imo cam(he’s not elite as of now) has a better chance of being elite due to his build and impressive speed compared to Dallas
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I've heard a rumor or two that that's what it was. God forbid anyone actually says...because, you know...if we knew what the injury was, it'd change absolutely nothing, so I'm all for keeping it locked tighter than Area 51 information.
 
Rellyrell said:
In the sports world, I consider Brady elite and Rodgers great. I consider MJ elite, and Barkley great. I consider Barry Sanders elite and Thurman Thomas great. I consider Jerry Rice elite and Tim Brown great. I consider Ray Lewis elite and Brian Urlacher great.
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So you can be a HOFer and not be elite? That's a wild definition. Rodgers has spent years as the best QB in football and he's not elite?
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
He was hurt in late October and had surgery I believe in early November.

Although the nuclear launch codes are easier to obtain than an answer on what actually happened to this kid, if it really is an ACL, the Gator game would be less than 10 months after surgery. You're confident he'd be 100% full go for that game with zero limitations and the same explosiveness/ability?

Don't be silly. I'm well aware of the advances made in medicine and recovery when it comes to athletes and knee injuries. You're out of your mind if you think a 19 year old kid is completely over an ACL tear in 10 months.

I know each kid is different, but look at Lawrence Cager. He tore his ACL in July of 2016. He didn't look right until WELL into the 2017 season, and many on this site were talking about the ND game before he was truly "back". That's 15 months.

So, OK, maybe I shouldn't have said don't expect him this year. I'll retract that. Don't expect to see him against UF, and don't expect to see a 5-star player this year. Better?
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Ok we can agree on that final paragraph...
 
AllAboutTheU said:
So you can be a HOFer and not be elite? That's a wild definition. Rodgers has spent years as the best QB in football and he's not elite?
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I’m not sure what ur saying. Clearly if ur great ur a HOFer; but maybe I should’ve said Brady v. Matty Ice. Rodgers is pretty dog on elite. Lol. That was a lil shade as a Bears fan
 
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bshaw28 said:
I'd say Miller & Duke are the only "elite" RB's we've had since Gore. I'd rank Homer third, but wouldn't say he's "elite".

By "elite", you need to have a size, speed, and talent combo that translates into playing a large role on a NFL team (not just making an NFL team).

On the roster now - I think Dallas is a very good player, but Lingard is the one most likely to become "elite".
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Lamar wasn't elite when he was here. He had one decent year and bounced.
 
Rellyrell said:
I’m not sure what ur saying. Clearly if ur great ur a HOFer; but maybe I should’ve said Brady v. Matty Ice. Rodgers is pretty dog on elite. Lol. That was a lil shade as a Bears fan
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Yea, you named Rodgers as a great but not elite. Even Urlacher and Tim Brown, those dudes are HOFers and All-Pro players. That's the definition of elite.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
Yea, you named Rodgers as a great but not elite. Even Urlacher and Tim Brown, those dudes are HOFers and All-Pro players. That's the definition of elite.
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Elite is on a different level, though. You can be great, and not elite. That’s y I said it’s a subtle difference and I think ppl have lumped great w elite. It’s like comparing Navy Seal team 6 w the Navy Seals. To become a Navy Seal, you gotta be great, but to be assigned as a Special Task Force, u gotta be thee best of the best.

There’s very few elite players, some great players, many good players, and an overwhelming amount of decent to average players.

Very few are on GOAT status. Just b/c u hit the HOF, doesn’t mean you were elite, u could be in the HOF b/c u were consistent at being very good.

Let me ask; would you consider Mitch Richmond elite? Vlade Divac? Would you consider Terrell Davis Elite or Ty Law? Would you consider Charles Haley elite or John Randle?
 
Rellyrell said:
Elite is on a different level, though. You can be great, and not elite. That’s y I said it’s a subtle difference and I think ppl have lumped great w elite. It’s like comparing Navy Seal team 6 w the Navy Seals. To become a Navy Seal, you gotta be great, but to be assigned as a Special Task Force, u gotta be thee best of the best.

There’s very few elite players, some great players, many good players, and an overwhelming amount of decent to average players.

Very few are on GOAT status. Just b/c u hit the HOF, doesn’t mean you were elite, u could be in the HOF b/c u were consistent at being very good.

Let me ask; would you consider Mitch Richmond elite? Vlade Divac? Would you consider Terrell Davis Elite or Ty Law? Would you consider Charles Haley elite or John Randle?
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Those guys all had elite years during their careers. For NBA guys, I'd say 1st or 2nd team All-NBA is elite play. Mitch has had those. Divac definitely not. Basketball HoF takes into account international play, so that's why Divac is in.

Ty Law definitely had elite play. TD as well before the injuries. Randle and Haley definitely had seasons of elite play. They may not have had sustained dominance at that level over the entire career, but they definitely had years of elite play.
 
AllAboutTheU said:
Those guys all had elite years during their careers. For NBA guys, I'd say 1st or 2nd team All-NBA is elite play. Mitch has had those. Divac definitely not. Basketball HoF takes into account international play, so that's why Divac is in.

Ty Law definitely had elite play. TD as well before the injuries. Randle and Haley definitely had seasons of elite play. They may not have had sustained dominance at that level over the entire career, but they definitely had years of elite play.
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We’ll just agree to disagree, my brother.
 
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Canes26esquire said:
Lamar wasn't elite when he was here. He had one decent year and bounced.
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Miller had the 4th most yds in a season ever for a Miami RB - behind McGahee, Duke, and Edge.

"Decent" is a major understatement.

I think if you say Miller wasn't elite at Miami, you couldn't say Gore was elite here either.
 
MainLineCane said:
Ask all those many players that needed fenders replaced and extensive bodywork if Herschel wasn't ELITE long before steam rolling Bates in the UTenn/UGA game.

Herschel was a man playing amongst boys until he got to the Pro's.

I've seen some truly ELITE backs over the years. They excel and maintain that status throughout HS, college and the Pro's.

I do agree that that designation is given out far too liberally today and must be earned over the long term and at highest levels of competition

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Earl Campbell. Got to watch him in person in the old Astrodome back when I was little. The man was massive, could tote. The rock with the best of them, and would steam roll DB’s and LB’s like their were paper machete.
 
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