Question about Butch

Lot of misinformation and pure lies coming from the douche gallery in this thread. If you want to know, all the info is available. Google will assist you in your quest for the truth.

Butch Davis is a football GOD!
 
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Butch left for NFL. all college coaches want to try the pros. The guy was a super bowl winning Defensive Coordinator. He had ties to Browns. The players were upset when it happened but as they played in NFL and begun to understand its a business, they got over it.
 
Contract negotiations went south and both sides claim the moral high ground. It really doesn't matter since butch was so **** good he left a team that clappy auto piloted to 2 title games.

Butch is a canes legend regardless of how it ended.
 
It just really shows how out of touch and idiotic some of the people at UM were and continue to be. A) We don't pay competitively if you have any real sense of the word and B) the guy left for the NFL not another college job. Schools that actually pay competitively can't even hold that against a coach.

It all goes back to these idiots being more concerned about what they perceive as personal slights toward themselves individually than the actual state of the program. It's been that way forever and is still that way. Just reference the only bad thing said about Alfred from these clowns is that they didn't like how handled PSU-gate in relation to keeping them in the dark for those 72 hours.
 
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let's see, you get offered more money w/ an executive suite still doing a job you love or do you stay for less money while being fvcked b/c you made some friends? His decision would've been no different than ours in the work world. UM screwed him by not paying him top bills like a winning coach should be paid. Hence the merry-go-round we see until this same day. Get Shalalah and this admin out of my f'n face.
 
golden has been wrong so many times with recruits. Butch had no room for error and got it right.
 
Butch was a Miami lifer who just wanted a fair buyout but had a job with the Browns less than a day after talks with Miami stalled.

There was friction from the start of those contract talks. Relations between Davis and Miami athletic director Paul Dee had become strained in the previous six months, in part over Davis's concern that at $850,000 a year he was underpaid. "Butch listens to what other coaches tell him they're making, and he believes them," Dee told SI in early November. Shortly after that, Davis hired Demoff. Their first request was for a six-year extension. Dee refused, offering five. "That was the first red flag," says Davis.

Negotiations plodded forward through the Sugar Bowl. On Jan. 5 both parties agreed to a base compensation of $8.5 million over five years, plus some incentive bonuses--all of which would have put Davis among the three highest-paid college football coaches in the nation. Two issues remained unresolved: the buyout if Davis took another job, and the guaranteed compensation if Davis was fired. Miami wanted Davis to pay a $2.5 million buyout if he left after the first year, and the school would pay him $5 million (of the remaining $6.8 million) if he was fired following the first season. (The buyout would decrease by $500,000 and the compensation by $1 million in each succeeding year.) Davis and Demoff found both clauses unacceptable.

Large buyout riders are not uncommon for sought-after college coaches, although $2.5 million would have been extraordinary. When Dennis Franchione left TCU for Alabama in December, he was charged a $1 million buyout and has a $1 million buyout in his Alabama contract. Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer has an $850,000 buyout. Dee defends Miami's demand for a stiff buyout clause by saying, "If we were going to make the investment that we were prepared to make, we expected reciprocity."

The parties exchanged offers in the days that followed. On Jan. 24, 13 days after Cleveland dismissed Chris Palmer as coach and put Davis on its short list, Miami offered to fully guarantee Davis's contract in the event that he was fired, and reduced the buyout to 20% of his remaining salary at the time of departure, approximately $1.37 million after the first year. (It galled Davis that he might have to work for $1.7 million and then pay back nearly that much to leave, a scenario that he compared to working a year for nothing.) Demoff offered four scenarios to Miami, including a 100-10 deal, in which Davis would have a 100% guaranteed contract and owe 10% of his remaining salary as buyout, roughly $680,000 after the first year. Miami's counter, on Jan. 27, was to drop the guarantee on the contract to 90% and reduce the buyout from 20% to 15%, which would have been $1.02 million after the first year.

At that point Demoff felt Miami was no longer bargaining in good faith. He recommended that Davis stop negotiating with Miami and told the coach that there was still a small window in which to work with the Browns, who had courted Davis 11 days earlier and been rebuffed. Scarcely 24 hours later Davis was Cleveland's
coach.

http://www.si.com/vault/2001/02/12/...d-bolted-for-a-big-money-deal-with-the-browns
 
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Butch was a Miami lifer who just wanted a fair buyout but had a job with the Browns less than a day after talks with Miami stalled.

There was friction from the start of those contract talks. Relations between Davis and Miami athletic director Paul Dee had become strained in the previous six months, in part over Davis's concern that at $850,000 a year he was underpaid. "Butch listens to what other coaches tell him they're making, and he believes them," Dee told SI in early November. Shortly after that, Davis hired Demoff. Their first request was for a six-year extension. Dee refused, offering five. "That was the first red flag," says Davis.

Negotiations plodded forward through the Sugar Bowl. On Jan. 5 both parties agreed to a base compensation of $8.5 million over five years, plus some incentive bonuses--all of which would have put Davis among the three highest-paid college football coaches in the nation. Two issues remained unresolved: the buyout if Davis took another job, and the guaranteed compensation if Davis was fired. Miami wanted Davis to pay a $2.5 million buyout if he left after the first year, and the school would pay him $5 million (of the remaining $6.8 million) if he was fired following the first season. (The buyout would decrease by $500,000 and the compensation by $1 million in each succeeding year.) Davis and Demoff found both clauses unacceptable.

Large buyout riders are not uncommon for sought-after college coaches, although $2.5 million would have been extraordinary. When Dennis Franchione left TCU for Alabama in December, he was charged a $1 million buyout and has a $1 million buyout in his Alabama contract. Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer has an $850,000 buyout. Dee defends Miami's demand for a stiff buyout clause by saying, "If we were going to make the investment that we were prepared to make, we expected reciprocity."

The parties exchanged offers in the days that followed. On Jan. 24, 13 days after Cleveland dismissed Chris Palmer as coach and put Davis on its short list, Miami offered to fully guarantee Davis's contract in the event that he was fired, and reduced the buyout to 20% of his remaining salary at the time of departure, approximately $1.37 million after the first year. (It galled Davis that he might have to work for $1.7 million and then pay back nearly that much to leave, a scenario that he compared to working a year for nothing.) Demoff offered four scenarios to Miami, including a 100-10 deal, in which Davis would have a 100% guaranteed contract and owe 10% of his remaining salary as buyout, roughly $680,000 after the first year. Miami's counter, on Jan. 27, was to drop the guarantee on the contract to 90% and reduce the buyout from 20% to 15%, which would have been $1.02 million after the first year.

At that point Demoff felt Miami was no longer bargaining in good faith. He recommended that Davis stop negotiating with Miami and told the coach that there was still a small window in which to work with the Browns, who had courted Davis 11 days earlier and been rebuffed. Scarcely 24 hours later Davis was Cleveland's
coach.

http://www.si.com/vault/2001/02/12/...d-bolted-for-a-big-money-deal-with-the-browns

Great find.
 
Give me a break people we all were ****ed when Butch left even if it made sense. We won in 2001 and 2002 so its all good.
 
I have no problem with Butch coming back, I also have no problem with the admin feeling scorned by the guy who cut and ran from the program at the 11th hour either.

Honestly what I assume happened is Butch saw the window of this legendary team was probably 1-2 more years and he'd have his choice of jobs in the league. He wanted to have a safe exit strategy and not have a financial burden to UM or his future NFL employer.

But I think the combination of Demoff giving him some bad advice and Butch wanted to be paid a lot more for those next few years led to the panic decision of bailing on Miami and taking a horrible, unwinnable situation in Cleveland because they had the opening/interest in Butch.

But lets not pretend Butch was a Miami lifer but any means, what college coach who was already a successful NFL DC wouldn't want a shot at an HC job in the pros, especially if he ran off 2 or 3 NCs. He just made the wrong choice when he decided to leave.
 
I have no problem with Butch coming back, I also have no problem with the admin feeling scorned by the guy who cut and ran from the program at the 11th hour either.

Honestly what I assume happened is Butch saw the window of this legendary team was probably 1-2 more years and he'd have his choice of jobs in the league. He wanted to have a safe exit strategy and not have a financial burden to UM or his future NFL employer.

But I think the combination of Demoff giving him some bad advice and Butch wanted to be paid a lot more for those next few years led to the panic decision of bailing on Miami and taking a horrible, unwinnable situation in Cleveland because they had the opening/interest in Butch.

But lets not pretend Butch was a Miami lifer but any means, what college coach who was already a successful NFL DC wouldn't want a shot at an HC job in the pros, especially if he ran off 2 or 3 NCs. He just made the wrong choice when he decided to leave.

Have you even read this ******* thread?
 
I have no problem with Butch coming back, I also have no problem with the admin feeling scorned by the guy who cut and ran from the program at the 11th hour either.

Honestly what I assume happened is Butch saw the window of this legendary team was probably 1-2 more years and he'd have his choice of jobs in the league. He wanted to have a safe exit strategy and not have a financial burden to UM or his future NFL employer.

But I think the combination of Demoff giving him some bad advice and Butch wanted to be paid a lot more for those next few years led to the panic decision of bailing on Miami and taking a horrible, unwinnable situation in Cleveland because they had the opening/interest in Butch.

But lets not pretend Butch was a Miami lifer but any means, what college coach who was already a successful NFL DC wouldn't want a shot at an HC job in the pros, especially if he ran off 2 or 3 NCs. He just made the wrong choice when he decided to leave.

Have you even read this ******* thread?

The outright elective ignorance on Butch is unbelievable, yet consistently ongoing.
 
I have no problem with Butch coming back, I also have no problem with the admin feeling scorned by the guy who cut and ran from the program at the 11th hour either.

Honestly what I assume happened is Butch saw the window of this legendary team was probably 1-2 more years and he'd have his choice of jobs in the league. He wanted to have a safe exit strategy and not have a financial burden to UM or his future NFL employer.

But I think the combination of Demoff giving him some bad advice and Butch wanted to be paid a lot more for those next few years led to the panic decision of bailing on Miami and taking a horrible, unwinnable situation in Cleveland because they had the opening/interest in Butch.

But lets not pretend Butch was a Miami lifer but any means, what college coach who was already a successful NFL DC wouldn't want a shot at an HC job in the pros, especially if he ran off 2 or 3 NCs. He just made the wrong choice when he decided to leave.

Have you even read this ******* thread?

The outright elective ignorance on Butch is unbelievable, yet consistently ongoing.

Not as unbelievable as the narratives people have made up in their heads despite mounds of evidence that says otherwise.
 
Butch was a Miami lifer who just wanted a fair buyout but had a job with the Browns less than a day after talks with Miami stalled.

There was friction from the start of those contract talks. Relations between Davis and Miami athletic director Paul Dee had become strained in the previous six months, in part over Davis's concern that at $850,000 a year he was underpaid. "Butch listens to what other coaches tell him they're making, and he believes them," Dee told SI in early November. Shortly after that, Davis hired Demoff. Their first request was for a six-year extension. Dee refused, offering five. "That was the first red flag," says Davis.

Negotiations plodded forward through the Sugar Bowl. On Jan. 5 both parties agreed to a base compensation of $8.5 million over five years, plus some incentive bonuses--all of which would have put Davis among the three highest-paid college football coaches in the nation. Two issues remained unresolved: the buyout if Davis took another job, and the guaranteed compensation if Davis was fired. Miami wanted Davis to pay a $2.5 million buyout if he left after the first year, and the school would pay him $5 million (of the remaining $6.8 million) if he was fired following the first season. (The buyout would decrease by $500,000 and the compensation by $1 million in each succeeding year.) Davis and Demoff found both clauses unacceptable.

Large buyout riders are not uncommon for sought-after college coaches, although $2.5 million would have been extraordinary. When Dennis Franchione left TCU for Alabama in December, he was charged a $1 million buyout and has a $1 million buyout in his Alabama contract. Virginia Tech's Frank Beamer has an $850,000 buyout. Dee defends Miami's demand for a stiff buyout clause by saying, "If we were going to make the investment that we were prepared to make, we expected reciprocity."

The parties exchanged offers in the days that followed. On Jan. 24, 13 days after Cleveland dismissed Chris Palmer as coach and put Davis on its short list, Miami offered to fully guarantee Davis's contract in the event that he was fired, and reduced the buyout to 20% of his remaining salary at the time of departure, approximately $1.37 million after the first year. (It galled Davis that he might have to work for $1.7 million and then pay back nearly that much to leave, a scenario that he compared to working a year for nothing.) Demoff offered four scenarios to Miami, including a 100-10 deal, in which Davis would have a 100% guaranteed contract and owe 10% of his remaining salary as buyout, roughly $680,000 after the first year. Miami's counter, on Jan. 27, was to drop the guarantee on the contract to 90% and reduce the buyout from 20% to 15%, which would have been $1.02 million after the first year.

At that point Demoff felt Miami was no longer bargaining in good faith. He recommended that Davis stop negotiating with Miami and told the coach that there was still a small window in which to work with the Browns, who had courted Davis 11 days earlier and been rebuffed. Scarcely 24 hours later Davis was Cleveland's
coach.

http://www.si.com/vault/2001/02/12/...d-bolted-for-a-big-money-deal-with-the-browns

Can someone explain what this means? Can't make sense of all the numbers
 
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Butch has already stated publicly that he made a mistake leaving the Canes. That championship team absolves him of all sin.
 
Butch has already stated publicly that he made a mistake leaving the Canes. That championship team absolves him of all sin.

Butch is no villain in my mind, but Coker being able to take the reigns started the program decline once the all star team of leaders left.
 
A few years ago when it looked like Coker (maybe it was Shannon) was floundering, he somehow managed to reestablish a local frequent presence here by coming on local radio with Hank Goldberg every week. I believe that was prior to him going to UNC. It appeared he wanted to come back here then and was fishing for some media and public support to convince the UM to allow him to do it. What he is doing now he has tried before albeit unsuccessfully and lower profile.
 
Butch recruited winning athletes. Athletes that burned to win.

That's why the players did amazing things on the field, and were tougher than nails.

Self starters. Self motivated. Butch demanded excellence, and he got it from those special athletes he recruited.

Three frikkin' deep.
 
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