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I am not as familiar with the situation as others when he left Miami. I read on here a lot that he burned a lot of bridges on his way out. Can someone please elaborate on what went down and what he did? Please and thanks
 
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they need to get over it. he said he wouldnt leave and got a great offer from browns. guy was a Super Bowl winning DC with cowboys. every coach wants to take a shot at NFL. dont hold it against him
 
Long story short. Butch and UM couldn't agree on the buyout/walkout clause. They wanted it to be heavily favored in the schools benefit and tried to last minute put Butch over a barrel knowing he'd just told his players he was coming back.

Butch wouldn't agree to that kind of *** fvckery and went pro.
 
God forbid a guy left to the NFL.

UM needs to get over it.

Both parties ended up worse for the decision.
 
The school tried to **** him on his buyout, refused to negotiate on it. The school thought they could bully him and that he wouldn't leave. Any Canes fan that knows anything about the situation knows Butch never wanted to leave and the school hard balled him into forcing his hand.
 
Docholliday03 said:
The school tried to **** him on his buyout, refused to negotiate on it. The school thought they could bully him and that he wouldn't leave. Any Canes fan that knows anything about the situation knows Butch never wanted to leave and the school hard balled him into forcing his hand.
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Stop. The reason why Butch wanted an easy buyout is because he knew he wasn't staying forever.

If he wanted to be a lifer, why fight the buyout so hard? Because he knew he was going sooner than later.

Miami was going to make him a top 5 paid coach in the NCAA but he wanted the easy exit for when he was going to the NFL.
 
dfreshhookup said:
Docholliday03 said:
The school tried to **** him on his buyout, refused to negotiate on it. The school thought they could bully him and that he wouldn't leave. Any Canes fan that knows anything about the situation knows Butch never wanted to leave and the school hard balled him into forcing his hand.
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Stop. The reason why Butch wanted an easy buyout is because he knew he wasn't staying forever.

If he wanted to be a lifer, why fight the buyout so hard? Because he knew he was going sooner than later.

Miami was going to make him a top 5 paid coach in the NCAA but he wanted the easy exit for when he was going to the NFL.
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There is a flip side to that coin. They wanted to make it hard for him to leave, but easy for them to fire him. Butch said the buyout UM/Butch was 20/80. He wanted something closer to 50/50. No matter how close the contract is to being a done deal, nothing is final until all the details are worked out. UM blew it, IMO - if what Butch says is true.
 
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I'd love to see Butch return to clean up Folden's mess, but let's not sacrifice the truth about his departure.

He left to be an NFL HC. Just like almost anyone else would do. There's no mystery there.

Doesn't matter what UM did with the buyout percentages. He was leaving eventually.

His goal was always to be an NFL HC, and he told that to LSU AD Joe Dean when Dean tried to hire him away from UM. He told Dean his ultimate aspiration was to be an NFL HC and that he could reach that goal as easily at UM as he could at LSU.

If it wasn't Cleveland it would have been some other gig shortly thereafter. Don't forget that one of Davis's best traits is his ability to sell and get people to buy in. He's a very smart, conniving guy, and he's taking advantage of people by making it seem like he was set to be a UM lifer but for UM trying to stick it to him on the buyout.
 
dfreshhookup said:
Docholliday03 said:
The school tried to **** him on his buyout, refused to negotiate on it. The school thought they could bully him and that he wouldn't leave. Any Canes fan that knows anything about the situation knows Butch never wanted to leave and the school hard balled him into forcing his hand.
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Stop. The reason why Butch wanted an easy buyout is because he knew he wasn't staying forever.

If he wanted to be a lifer, why fight the buyout so hard? Because he knew he was going sooner than later.

Miami was going to make him a top 5 paid coach in the NCAA but he wanted the easy exit for when he was going to the NFL.
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This.

Some folks love Butch ... So they make excuses for him.

But the fact is ... If he wanted to stay, the buyout would not have mattered.

He wanted the ability to leave, and UM wanted a steep price from whoever was coming to take him. We'd just lost our last three (3) coaches to the NFL ... So, the admin wanted to make the hurdle a little higher for the next NFL team to take Butch ... Especially since Butch said he wanted to stay ...

As for keeping his buyout low from UM's side ... Isn't that what so many people are ****ed with the current UM admin about? That Golden's buyout isn't low enough for us to be able to fire him for performance before his contract expires?

UM negotiated well with Butch. We both had some leverage ... But Butch had another viable option, and he took it.

And as we all know, in retrospect ... That decision didn't work out well for him, or us.

That's the story on Butch and Miami ...
 
It is unreasonable of Miami to hold a grudge against Butch and blackballing him from other NCAA jobs after setting him up at UNC like they did. This administration is really out of control. If only the NCAA stopped by the look into things once in a while.
 
5XNC said:
Miami is black balling him from other NCAA jobs? Miami set him up?
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Apparently that is the case. Miami is the reason Butch has not been coaching. Not Butch. Miami. Obviously.

I think it would be good to have Butch back. Not at all for his game day coaching which has never been elite, but for the hope he would bring to people around the program. It would give a window of much less *****ing and nitpicking for the program to re-emerge. Right now, the school spends $20 million and people *****. Alonzo wants to raise $25 million and people *****. Rational or irrational, Butch coming back would break the *****ing.
 
dfreshhookup said:
Docholliday03 said:
The school tried to **** him on his buyout, refused to negotiate on it. The school thought they could bully him and that he wouldn't leave. Any Canes fan that knows anything about the situation knows Butch never wanted to leave and the school hard balled him into forcing his hand.
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Stop. The reason why Butch wanted an easy buyout is because he knew he wasn't staying forever.

If he wanted to be a lifer, why fight the buyout so hard? Because he knew he was going sooner than later.

Miami was going to make him a top 5 paid coach in the NCAA but he wanted the easy exit for when he was going to the NFL.
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Top 5 paid coach? Says who?
 
Angry Ibis said:
5XNC said:
Miami is black balling him from other NCAA jobs? Miami set him up?
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Apparently that is the case. Miami is the reason Butch has not been coaching. Not Butch. Miami. Obviously.

I think it would be good to have Butch back. Not at all for his game day coaching which has never been elite, but for the hope he would bring to people around the program. It would give a window of much less *****ing and nitpicking for the program to re-emerge. Right now, the school spends $20 million and people *****. Alonzo wants to raise $25 million and people *****. Rational or irrational, Butch coming back would break the *****ing.
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How, and why would UM blackball Butch from NCAA jobs AFTER he was at UNC. Not trying to be a ****, just not seeing how that works
 
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I wonder if the people in power in the Gables would have such a difficult time removing the sand from their collective ****** if let's say a dean was offered a position at a real academic institution? Like one that doesn't have to aspire to be a faux Ivy League school while barely cracking the top 50 after a decade + of leadership by a woman that gets a pass because she's a good fundraiser.
 
im not really sold on bringing back a retread bc to be honest, that team that we saw last night was a once in a lifetime team. it may never happen again even if u bring back butch and his entire staff from Miami.
 
Dingaan1828 said:
Angry Ibis said:
5XNC said:
Miami is black balling him from other NCAA jobs? Miami set him up?
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Apparently that is the case. Miami is the reason Butch has not been coaching. Not Butch. Miami. Obviously.

I think it would be good to have Butch back. Not at all for his game day coaching which has never been elite, but for the hope he would bring to people around the program. It would give a window of much less ****ing and nitpicking for the program to re-emerge. Right now, the school spends $20 million and people ****. Alonzo wants to raise $25 million and people ****. Rational or irrational, Butch coming back would break the ****ing.
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How, and why would UM blackball Butch from NCAA jobs AFTER he was at UNC. Not trying to be a ****, just not seeing how that works
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They can't. Butch hasn't been associated with UM in 15 years, it would be literally impossible for them to blackball him from other jobs.
 
dfreshhookup said:
Dingaan1828 said:
Angry Ibis said:
5XNC said:
Miami is black balling him from other NCAA jobs? Miami set him up?
Click to expand...

Apparently that is the case. Miami is the reason Butch has not been coaching. Not Butch. Miami. Obviously.

I think it would be good to have Butch back. Not at all for his game day coaching which has never been elite, but for the hope he would bring to people around the program. It would give a window of much less ****ing and nitpicking for the program to re-emerge. Right now, the school spends $20 million and people ****. Alonzo wants to raise $25 million and people ****. Rational or irrational, Butch coming back would break the ****ing.
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How, and why would UM blackball Butch from NCAA jobs AFTER he was at UNC. Not trying to be a ****, just not seeing how that works
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They can't. Butch hasn't been associated with UM in 15 years, it would be literally impossible for them to blackball him from other jobs.
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lol butch ****ed himself over in finding a new coaching job w the stuff that has gone on under his watch at UNC (whether cleared or not, he had to have some kind of idea of what was going on). Big O on 560 says it all the time, butch will turn the program around but **** also burn u tomorrow bc he's as dirty as dirty can get
 
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