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FuriousStyles said:
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I wanted zero preseason accolades or high expectations for this team. I want them to be underestimated and then over deliver so I can for once in my “real” adult life be truly happy at the end of the season

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I don’t think this is either. This is saying he sucked last year and needs to be better this year. I don’t think there are high expectations for us this year at all tbh
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I'm still very concerned that he has nobody to throw the ball to but I do think the improvement up front, the scheme, and the fact that he was SEVERELY humbled last year is going to result in far superior QB play.

I just hope someone steps up in the WR room.
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I’ve gone back and forth on this very topic as well. Ultimately, I think he’s got enough there to get within that threshold of 8-10 wins (max).

As we saw in the Spring game, a healthy Restrepo helps the offense as a whole, but it’s no doubt his security blanket. He’s probably a top three-ish slot guy in the conference, I think? He seemed comfortable trusting Ray-Ray too (who I think will have a very fine freshman campaign and showed good wiggle in open space, something that’s been lacking at the position for far too long). Between those two, I like where we stand against opposing nickel guys. TE has to be the best spot on paper with Skinner, the highly anticipated return of Arroyo (speaking of, @JustAFanHTX how’s he coming along?), and Riley Williams ready in the wings. All three can flash outside the hashes if need be, and I think Dawson will utilize mismatches with those three very early and often. Big bodied targets with good hands and good speed/strength in traffic.

So it’s really going to come down to the outside guys. Colbie probably has one spot locked down, but he needs to take that next step and become the bonafide #1 guy. Hopefully those speed measurable updates are true, because if he’s that fast now…he’s going to be an absolute problem. 1K potential for sure.

Between George, Kirk, Horton…someone needs to step up. Can’t rely on Harrell given his injury past. Anything we get out of him I’ll be happy about, he’s blazing fast when healthy and opens the offense up completely. Just need to bubble wrap him til September. I think Redding and Ladson are relegated to third string/red zone guys at best, wouldn’t be surprised to see one hit the portal post fall. My money is on George putting it all together and cementing himself as WR2, and if he does…TVD should have no excuses.
 
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WeBallinBoyz said:
I’ve gone back and forth on this very topic as well. Ultimately, I think he’s got enough there to get within that threshold of 8-10 wins (max).

As we saw in the Spring game, a healthy Restrepo helps the offense as a whole, but it’s no doubt his security blanket. He’s probably a top three-ish slot guy in the conference, I think? He seemed comfortable trusting Ray-Ray too (who I think will have a very fine freshman campaign and showed good wiggle in open space, something that’s been lacking at the position for far too long). Between those two, I like where we stand against opposing nickel guys. TE has to be the best spot on paper with Skinner, the highly anticipated return of Arroyo (speaking of, @JustAFanHTX how’s he coming along?), and Riley Williams ready in the wings. All three can flash outside the hashes if need be, and I think Dawson will utilize mismatches with those three very early and often. Big bodied targets with good hands and good speed/strength in traffic.

So it’s really going to come down to the outside guys. Colbie probably has one spot locked down, but he needs to take that next step and become the bonafide #1 guy. Hopefully those speed measurable updates are true, because if he’s that fast now…he’s going to be an absolute problem. 1K potential for sure.

Between George, Kirk, Horton…someone needs to step up. Can’t rely on Harrell given his injury past. Anything we get out of him I’ll be happy about, he’s blazing fast when healthy and opens the offense up completely. Just need to bubble wrap him til September. I think Redding and Ladson are relegated to third string/red zone guys at best, wouldn’t be surprised to see one hit the portal post fall. My money is on George putting it all together and cementing himself as WR2, and if he does…TVD should have no excuses.
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Lot of ifs man lol usually when its this many questions it doesn’t turn out well
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
I’ve gone back and forth on this very topic as well. Ultimately, I think he’s got enough there to get within that threshold of 8-10 wins (max).

As we saw in the Spring game, a healthy Restrepo helps the offense as a whole, but it’s no doubt his security blanket. He’s probably a top three-ish slot guy in the conference, I think? He seemed comfortable trusting Ray-Ray too (who I think will have a very fine freshman campaign and showed good wiggle in open space, something that’s been lacking at the position for far too long). Between those two, I like where we stand against opposing nickel guys. TE has to be the best spot on paper with Skinner, the highly anticipated return of Arroyo (speaking of, @JustAFanHTX how’s he coming along?), and Riley Williams ready in the wings. All three can flash outside the hashes if need be, and I think Dawson will utilize mismatches with those three very early and often. Big bodied targets with good hands and good speed/strength in traffic.

So it’s really going to come down to the outside guys. Colbie probably has one spot locked down, but he needs to take that next step and become the bonafide #1 guy. Hopefully those speed measurable updates are true, because if he’s that fast now…he’s going to be an absolute problem. 1K potential for sure.

Between George, Kirk, Horton…someone needs to step up. Can’t rely on Harrell given his injury past. Anything we get out of him I’ll be happy about, he’s blazing fast when healthy and opens the offense up completely. Just need to bubble wrap him til September. I think Redding and Ladson are relegated to third string/red zone guys at best, wouldn’t be surprised to see one hit the portal post fall. My money is on George putting it all together and cementing himself as WR2, and if he does…TVD should have no excuses.
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He’s full go. Should be the starter.
 
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This is after the bye week and adjustments were made, before tvd got hurt. Im not worried about if he can get back to what he was in 2021, it’s obvious he can ball when **** is right. Lets hope from day 1 we have **** right, no need to experiment lol at this point it’s clear what he can and cant do. Tell the wrs to step tf up and we gon win some ***** games
 
E1k said:
Lot of ifs man lol usually when its this many questions it doesn’t turn out well
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If there weren’t ifs, we’d be talking about for sure winning 9-10 games.

FSU had a lot of ifs, and it turned out ok for them. Washington, TCU, Michigan along the outside and QB, USC with their team outside of QB and WR, Oregon with Bo Nix/new personnel, UNC with Maye, South Carolina with Rattler and new guys, Tennessee, LSU, etc.

The other end of the spectrum is the Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas A&M, etc.

It’s just the name of the game. I think there’s way less question marks than last season (when you objectively look at it instead of the sunshine slurping a lot of us, me included, were a part of). If grey areas like DT, LB, WR go poorly…then we’re winning 6-7 games and Mario’s seat is hot (amongst the fanbase, not the program). If it goes well, 9, maybe 10 wins could happen).

I think we fall somewhere in the middle and have an 8-4 regular season, hopefully a bowl win as 9-4 looks much better.
 
WeBallinBoyz said:
If there weren’t ifs, we’d be talking about for sure winning 9-10 games.

FSU had a lot of ifs, and it turned out ok for them. Washington, TCU, Michigan along the outside and QB, USC with their team outside of QB and WR, Oregon with Bo Nix/new personnel, UNC with Maye, South Carolina with Rattler and new guys, Tennessee, LSU, etc.

The other end of the spectrum is the Miami, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Texas A&M, etc.

It’s just the name of the game. I think there’s way less question marks than last season (when you objectively look at it instead of the sunshine slurping a lot of us, me included, were a part of). If grey areas like DT, LB, WR go poorly…then we’re winning 6-7 games and Mario’s seat is hot (amongst the fanbase, not the program). If it goes well, 9, maybe 10 wins could happen).

I think we fall somewhere in the middle and have an 8-4 regular season, hopefully a bowl win as 9-4 looks much better.
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Not talking about the entire team, im specifically responding to what u said about the wr room. But i agree overall, i really think if the wrs step up 8 games is the minimum unless we just *** off games like we did vs unc and a&m. This team is clearly better, i think we will have a good year
 
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I'm less worried than others about the receiver position because I know the system and a good QB can make decent receivers look like stars. Washington is a great example. They made a coaching change after the 2021 season and brought in Michael Penix jr. to play QB in their new, wide open system. Their two leading receivers went from a combined 80 catches for 885 yards and 7 TDs to 154 catches for 2243 yards (both went over 1,000) and 16 TDs. These guys weren't superstars until they played in a pass friendly offense with a quarterback who could sling it. Statistically, their 2021 offense was even worse than Miami's 2022 offense.
 
Random TVD/offense thoughts.

Which is more likely. TVD's 2021 season was a fluke, or a bad OC hampered his ability?
The OL is definitely better this year and has a little depth..
We have a dozen receivers and several of them are new. Several should do better without an anchor like Gattis around their necks.
We have a new OC not named Gattis.
With a decent OL and several good RB's, we're a genuine run threat, which helps the receivers.

It wouldn't surprise me if we have a very good season, but I don't think anyone can say for certain how it will go because so many variables have changed.
 
Go Canes!! said:
Behind that offensive line he’s going to have a HUGE year
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Put the pieces together.

Big offensive line, no QB depth (meaning Cristobal will need to make sure TVD isn't taking unnecessary hits), strong RB backfield, question marks at WR, and thin at DT. That tells me Cristobal is likely going to go with a low scoring, run heavy offense that chews up clock. We won't be able stop other teams from running so the best counter is to keep the opponents from touching the ball. This is just how the team is built. And honestly, I think this is the best strategy given the roster. It will be boring and painful to watch again, but this time UM will have more success with TOP and red zone opportunities due to the better OL.

Unfortunately, even though I think Cristobal can get 8 wins out of the team, the offense will be so uninspiring that we aren't going to find any top WRs and QBs that will be interested in UM.
 
JD08 said:
Random TVD/offense thoughts.

Which is more likely. TVD's 2021 season was a fluke, or a bad OC hampered his ability?
The OL is definitely better this year and has a little depth..
We have a dozen receivers and several of them are new. Several should do better without an anchor like Gattis around their necks.
We have a new OC not named Gattis.
With a decent OL and several good RB's, we're a genuine run threat, which helps the receivers.

It wouldn't surprise me if we have a very good season, but I don't think anyone can say for certain how it will go because so many variables have changed.
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Somewhere in the middle, i think the drastic shift from laslee to gattis in such a short time hurt. And then u factor in the qb coach probably not even knowing the system fully and not getting along with the oc that only makes things worse.

Tyler is kinda similar to other good college qbs, in the right situation they excel but in bad situations all of their flaws will show, he’s not gonna turn **** into sugar only a few can do that
 
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