QB Observations - Spring Game

Great write up. Glad you reached the same conclusion as I did.

Starting Rosier has no benefit for us. Particularly because 3 of the 4 first games are warm up games and great times to build up these guys' experience so they are ready for ACC Play - Thats what matters, running through the ACC and beating Clemson.
 
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Jarren is the best repeatable and effortless thrower on the field yesterday. I don't think that is up for debate. Ultimately he will be the guy that can consistently hit that "NFL window" throw. This is not a shinny new toy phenomenon, it just goes to show you how much work Williams has put in from a mechanical standpoint.

As far as the playbook, There isn't something that Rosier can do that Jarren cannot. Jarren however already knows escape routes within the pocket and how to look for multiple reads and its his first live fire scrimmage. I will touch on some X/O things soon. But Ultimately I think this is a big "show me" year for Mark Richt as OC.

Last year was it for me.

And he didn't show me ****.
 
Don't see how Perry's running can be a knock on him that I've seen some say it was after the Spring game.

From some of the Periscopes I saw Perry running was a plus & looked faster than he did in HS where he barely ran. Idk if people confuse the College game with the NFL, but having a running QB is actually a good thing in college, you can win Championships with a great runner who can throw.

I think the issue is Perry is a Spread option QB & Jarren probably fits the RPO better, but IMO from a personnel standpoint we should be running a Spread.

Regardless of all that, Richt seems to be pretty set on Rosier, he's taken the majority of the snaps at QB1 & if he goes into Fall camp getting all of the 1st team reps he'll be the starter.

I didn't think Rosier would be the starter because I thought Richt would want to develop one of the younger more talented QB's but I'm probably going to be wrong on that. I think Richt will stick with Rosier come **** or high water.
 
Nice write up, as always @Roman Marciante.

So, if the reports are true about Richt only using roughly 20% of the playbook with Malik last year (reported by several "insiders"), the notion of Williams and Perry needing to learn the entire playbook, is debunked and should be put to bed.

Game experience is something that can't be replaced and should not be ignored. Rosier obviously has the edge here. However, the same way game experience should not be ignored, it also should not be the determining factor for rolling with Rosier this year, especially if only 20% of the playbook was used in said games. My wife would not be too thrilled if I told her she was only going get 20% of this dyck tonight! She would be like "what am I supposed to do with 2.5 inches?" LMFAO

Richt has to be frustrated with being handcuffed as it relates the type of plays he is able to call due to Rosier's limitations. If a limited amount of the playbook is going to be used again this year, it makes more sense to roll with one of the young guns because more would be able to be done within the 20% (think yards after catch, going through progressions, etc..)


Frederick the Great's horse was with him through five campaigns.

At the end of the day, he was still just a dumb horse. In spite of his experience.
 
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Good stuff. For me, this season will key on if the O-line finds itself.That means having at least an average running game. And so far, the reports haven't been optimistic. Hard to develop a dependable passing game for experienced or young QBs, who are under constant pressure.
 
Hey guys I know some of you have already weighed in on the subject but I figured I would chime in.

Got there early with the intent to watch the QB position. In line drills it was Malik 1 Perry 2 and Williams 3.
Charting their catch and release times with a stop watch I noted that on similar throws both Perry and Williams consistently had the ball out quicker on similar concepts. (Miami typically will have the same routes consecutively rotating the QB's and WR's around the drill) Rosier was essentially a little more lax in his drops and his ball out time was being bested simply because he takes a little bit longer to deliver.

The rest of the line drills were Above Average, some balls hit the turf vs air.

Rosier: Is what he is. I didn't see any relative improvement from a mechanical standpoint in his game. Rosier ran with the ones and I think it was pretty clear that the offensive line had some struggles. But when he had time, I still have some issues with his accuracy. In the stat sheet he was essentially at one point 2/2. The problem is he was late delivering a ball to Harley on a dig (immediately enveloped by defenders) and he had a drag where his receiver had to dive and catch the ball. Rosier needs to stop limiting run after the catch potential. It is a hidden aspect that really stalls this offense.

If I had to identify a cause of his accuracy concerns, as the play develops his base becomes more inconsistent. Simple formula here, the longer the play goes the more inaccurate Rosier becomes. He just isn't a flawless reset and gather QB. Nice when it's a bubble or slant on a one catch and throw, but when it isn't there he struggles maintaining good balance or throwing from different platforms. For a fifth year senior, he isn't head and shoulders above the following.

Perry: Really wanted to put to bed who had the best arm on the team and I still think it's him. Just the straight line angle on his balls is better. Don't see balls dipping or tapering off. And the deep ball to Hightower was not the first read. That proves he can wait in the pocket and still essentially have the arm to get the ball way down field if he needs to. Perry is not the guy who is going to underthrow Jeff Thomas. Ok that's the arm. His feet? I think he is the most dynamic runner on the team.

Some might say he is looking a little bit too much to run. But ultimately even in that "tag and your down" QB scenario, Perry showed the ability that when he ran, he was effective in doing so. Perry has this seeming rhythmic pentameter to his game. If he "feels it" and if he is operating in a bit more "up-tempo" mode, he seems to do much better. (Think fast break in offense vs half court sets) Some issues I have with Perry, like Rosier, some inaccuracy. Perry has a lot of moving parts. He generates a ton of spin on the ball but I see this "load up" phenomenon when he tries to thread the needle, he becomes more erratic.

This is a power pitcher that needs to learn to play within himself and just trust it IMO. Led a touchdown drive and threw a nice fade to Hightower. But then on his interception it was simply a rookie mistake. Jeff Thomas can "peek your interest" on that 9 route, but that safety was hashed over top and I think film will show you Langham was 1v1 back side and the right read. That was just Perry predetermined to hit Jeff and not reading the coverage right. Take what they give you young man. Your defense knows who Jeff Thomas is. ACC defenders will too.

Jarren Williams: Impressed. Most repeatable and consistent deliverer of the football. Nice Base. Nice compact stroke. Ultimately for me he had the "quarterbacking play of the day" when his first read was covered, he worked back into the pocket, found pocket freedom naturally, kept his eyes down field and then delivered a strike to extend the play. He did not drop the ball and look to run (which he can) and he didn't create the sense that he couldn't reset and gather. (He did just fine) Was it the wow play Perry was able to make? No. But it showed command beyond his years.

Plenty of arm. No issues there. Perry takes the edge but it isn't by much IMO. Jarren actually doesn't need all the moving parts like Perry to create torque. Williams really commands his base better than anyone. His front stride is compact. He had a vertical where he led the receiver inside. Sure it was a bad ball and that needs to be thrown away from the safety but he wasn't over striding or gearing up to make the throw. 50 yard throw, no huge gather, just threw it.

Jarren has the potential to be the most accurate quarterback of all three. I am 100% convinced of this. Even in warm ups I just watched someone able to replicate and hit spot after spot. My biggest compliment to Jarren is that he did not seem remotely like a freshman out there. And as a reminder tying into the quarterback offer series, Jarren showed the biggest improvement from his JR year to SR year that I have charted yet. He seems to really want to get better and improve. At one point on the field he clapped his hands in discuss at himself because he didn't hit something right. Can't say that about others.

In time as Jarren has more knowledge of the playbook, I think you'll see a really precise entity out there. Ultimately wrapping up the QB side of things, If all 3 were freshman, there is no way on God's green earth that Malik would be the starter over those two. He just needs to thank the lucky stars he has game experience and Jarren is a true freshman. Either way, if Rosier repeats a Pitt performance at some point (I think he will) I think by then one of those 2 will take his job.

Real quick stop on X/o because I don't want to be long. Richt was vanilla. But ultimately I think this offense needs to really think of ways to operate when the run game isn't there. Spring game or not, it is well documented in all of Richt's losses at Miami, they are one dimensional entities when the L's come. I have some concerns even now with the type of receiver talent that we have, no one ever seems to be operating with any kind of space. Credit the defense if you will, but when you got NFL open widows and not an NFL caliber qb pulling the trigger, Good luck and God speed.

Hope everyone had a good time at the game. Look Forward to checking back in to see what you guys have to say.
Great write up, my man! Love the attention to detail. Many times last year I thought there was opportunity to run quick hitches or curl routes, and I suspected that the reason we didn't run them is because they are so dependent on timing and accuracy, Not the "can you throw a football through a tire" accuracy. I'm talking about the, "Can you throw the ball to the place a man is supposed to be before he gets there and have it arrive the second he gets there and turns to catch it." That's they key to making hitch routes work for you. I think much of Rosier's inaccuracy has less to do with his arm muscles, and more to do with that 3 lbs of neurons between his ears. He's not dumb, but you just don't start being a QB in your Junior year. Coincidentally, it is for this reason I disagree with folks who say we've seen the ceiling with Rosier. Rosier's inaccuracy isn't a physical limitation. It's timing and understanding, same as Perry. You can't make any excuses for swing passes in the dirt or over heads, but lots of times Rosier throws an accurate ball after a window is closed or before it opens fully. This type of inaccuracy can be fixed. Does he have time before one of the young bucks overtake him? We'll see.

Perry really sounds, from everybody who's not a Perry peter puffer--that's called alliteration for you kids at home, like he really just needs a spit shine around the rougher aspects of his game. A little patience. Let the game come to you, young man, and know your athleticism is still there if things break down.

Williams sounds like the truth, and I'm really trying to temper expectations, but I have to be honest. I *********ed to your comment about him working back towards the pocket and hitting his second read. That's grown man work. Love the work you put into this write up detailing how repetitive he is in his throwing motion. Lots of idiots on this board believe that accuracy is a trait passed on through osmosis in the womb. No. Accuracy is doing it the right way every time until your body knows no other way. This is what Malik and Perry do not have. They can both be very good if they master timing. You can mask some inaccuracy with proper anticipation. But if Williams is what you say he is, he can be special.

Lets see how he reacts when he gets hit in the mouth, though before we crown him.
 
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Nice write up, as always @Roman Marciante.

So, if the reports are true about Richt only using roughly 20% of the playbook with Malik last year (reported by several "insiders"), the notion of Williams and Perry needing to learn the entire playbook, is debunked and should be put to bed.

Game experience is something that can't be replaced and should not be ignored. Rosier obviously has the edge here. However, the same way game experience should not be ignored, it also should not be the determining factor for rolling with Rosier this year, especially if only 20% of the playbook was used in said games. My wife would not be too thrilled if I told her she was only going get 20% of this dyck tonight! She would be like "what am I supposed to do with 2.5 inches?" LMFAO

Richt has to be frustrated with being handcuffed as it relates the type of plays he is able to call due to Rosier's limitations. If a limited amount of the playbook is going to be used again this year, it makes more sense to roll with one of the young guns because more would be able to be done within the 20% (think yards after catch, going through progressions, etc..)
Wish I could give you both a thumbs up and funny imogi @reg
 
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I've felt for some time this is exactly what Richt is trying to avoid - getting hung out to dry naming a starting QB too early in the process and having transfer/s deplete depth. We all know the depth chart and losing even one of them - especially the only one with live game experience (limitations as they may be). He knows the implications all too well. Thus, his measured words when answering questions about his QB's.
Weldon is unlikely to be higher than #3 on the QB depth chart come the LSU game. If that is the case, he'd be a likely candidate to transfer.
 
The smart play is to give Rosier the start in LSU. The LSU game is meaningless regardless of the hype for it.

There is no earthly reason to cause drama by removing him from the starting spot before the season even starts. Then sub him out against the patsies and give the others a chance to get some real burn. When the ACC games start coming, that's when you put Rosier on a short leash, tell him to step up or take a seat on the bench while you roll with the others.
 
Excellent stuff. I agree with pretty much all the points. It' clear that Williams has received the best coaching prior to enrolling. Perry has loads of ability and is more athletic than I originally thought but he looks so raw still. Rosier still throws like a baseball player and it affects his release and accuracy. He's confident and accurate on throws that don't require anticipation. But anything that requires leading a receiver he struggles with. Especially throws that have the potential for big YAC gains. The receiver has to stop and adjust or dive and loses any forward momentum.
 
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Great write up, my man! Love the attention to detail. Many times last year I thought there was opportunity to run quick hitches or curl routes, and I suspected that the reason we didn't run them is because they are so dependent on timing and accuracy, Not the "can you throw a football through a tire" accuracy. I'm talking about the, "Can you throw the ball to the place a man is supposed to be before he gets there and have it arrive the second he gets there and turns to catch it." That's they key to making hitch routes work for you. I think much of Rosier's inaccuracy has less to do with his arm muscles, and more to do with that 3 lbs of neurons between his ears. He's not dumb, but you just don't start being a QB in your Junior year. Coincidentally, it is for this reason I disagree with folks who say we've seen the ceiling with Rosier. Rosier's inaccuracy isn't a physical limitation. It's timing and understanding, same as Perry. You can't make any excuses for swing passes in the dirt or over heads, but lots of times Rosier throws an accurate ball after a window is closed or before it opens fully. This type of inaccuracy can be fixed. Does he have time before one of the young bucks overtake him? We'll see.

Perry really sounds, from everybody who's not a Perry peter puffer--that's called alliteration for you kids at home, like he really just needs a spit shine around the rougher aspects of his game. A little patience. Let the game come to you, young man, and know your athleticism is still there if things break down.

Williams sounds like the truth, and I'm really trying to temper expectations, but I have to be honest. I *********ed to your comment about him working back towards the pocket and hitting his second read. That's grown man work. Love the work you put into this write up detailing how repetitive he is in his throwing motion. Lots of idiots on this board believe that accuracy is a trait passed on through osmosis in the womb. No. Accuracy is doing it the right way every time until your body knows no other way. This is what Malik and Perry do not have. They can both be very good if they master timing. You can mask some inaccuracy with proper anticipation. But if Williams is what you say he is, he can be special.

Lets see how he reacts when he gets hit in the mouth, though before we crown him.

Love how you mentioned the timing aspect. Ultimately
Great write up, my man! Love the attention to detail. Many times last year I thought there was opportunity to run quick hitches or curl routes, and I suspected that the reason we didn't run them is because they are so dependent on timing and accuracy, Not the "can you throw a football through a tire" accuracy. I'm talking about the, "Can you throw the ball to the place a man is supposed to be before he gets there and have it arrive the second he gets there and turns to catch it." That's they key to making hitch routes work for you. I think much of Rosier's inaccuracy has less to do with his arm muscles, and more to do with that 3 lbs of neurons between his ears. He's not dumb, but you just don't start being a QB in your Junior year. Coincidentally, it is for this reason I disagree with folks who say we've seen the ceiling with Rosier. Rosier's inaccuracy isn't a physical limitation. It's timing and understanding, same as Perry. You can't make any excuses for swing passes in the dirt or over heads, but lots of times Rosier throws an accurate ball after a window is closed or before it opens fully. This type of inaccuracy can be fixed. Does he have time before one of the young bucks overtake him? We'll see.

Perry really sounds, from everybody who's not a Perry peter puffer--that's called alliteration for you kids at home, like he really just needs a spit shine around the rougher aspects of his game. A little patience. Let the game come to you, young man, and know your athleticism is still there if things break down.

Williams sounds like the truth, and I'm really trying to temper expectations, but I have to be honest. I *********ed to your comment about him working back towards the pocket and hitting his second read. That's grown man work. Love the work you put into this write up detailing how repetitive he is in his throwing motion. Lots of idiots on this board believe that accuracy is a trait passed on through osmosis in the womb. No. Accuracy is doing it the right way every time until your body knows no other way. This is what Malik and Perry do not have. They can both be very good if they master timing. You can mask some inaccuracy with proper anticipation. But if Williams is what you say he is, he can be special.

Lets see how he reacts when he gets hit in the mouth, though before we crown him.

Glad you mentioned the timing aspect. Richt offenses are essentially intrinsically woven with timing at its core. Qb steps have to be precise. WR steps need to be precise. I have learned that their is this invisible dance centered around a metronome in Richt's head. He is the conductor. But ultimately this is what I am noticing. Defenses know the rhythm. Especially our defense. And this when it gets complicated with a skill set such as Malik.

I'll give you an example. During the scrimmage Malik first read had him looking out towards the X. But Manny had a nice combo switch with his striker. Essentially CB came down to play the flats, The striker from a lb position (Might have been Romeo) essentially took over top. Nice wrinkle although it is a standard cover 3 philosophy just with the striker and cb exchanging responsibilities. Malik at this point pauses. Seemingly confused by the read and takes a sack.

Now stuff like this can happen in the game all the time. Diaz knows the rhythm and the pre read "look" Malik is wanting to take. Just anticipate it with fools gold and get Malik to reset and gather and the % drops immensely. That is why I was so adamant in my early write up about his accuracy once he is out of "phase" with the initial rhythm.

I had this feeling yesterday with Malik that once that first read was taken away the play was doomed for failure. That is something collectively the staff might want to consider more. Those secondary and tertiary reads and having them built in bailouts quicker for Malik. At this point I would hope after 5 years at the collegiate level that Malik knows EXACTLY where to go with the ball if read one is not there. But I just do not see him doing that consistently and that was the case again yesterday.

Now to Malik's credit there were times where he read open field #1 then let the ball fly across the other side after it closed and the initial wasn't open. He maybe seemed to know that it was 1 v 1 opposite the look. However I do not recall him completing one of those passes. It was more to me "ok read one, NOPE, let it fly on the other side." But that was just my take.

If I am an opposing defensive coordinator. I sell out to do two things vs Miami. 1. Stop the run 2. Force Malik to read the field and take away his primary read. I would bait slants, bubbles, just ultimately do whatever I can to get him to go through his progressions. Ultimately I might be onto something here because when Miami can't run and you have seen the 7th batted slant, almost picked screen, and LB's taking away the bubble this offense seems to come apart at the seems.

Great exchange by you. Appreciate the time you put into your response.
 
Excellent stuff. I agree with pretty much all the points. It' clear that Williams has received the best coaching prior to enrolling. Perry has loads of ability and is more athletic than I originally thought but he looks so raw still. Rosier still throws like a baseball player and it affects his release and accuracy. He's confident and accurate on throws that don't require anticipation. But anything that requires leading a receiver he struggles with. Especially throws that have the potential for big YAC gains. The receiver has to stop and adjust or dive and loses any forward momentum.

I will agree with you on the first statement. Georgia Area QB coaches are killing it right now. They have a hot streak although this year might be a little down. I have watched a lot of film on Georgia QB's and its getting to the point where I can tell where the kid is from. (kidding but not kidding)

Ultimately these kids do some high level stuff early on and it is proving dividends on the field and in terms of their recruiting. Davis Mills and Harrison Bailey had/have the same QB coach. Then you get guys like Fields, Fromm, Lawrence and our boy Williams? You see where I am going here?
 
Great write up, my man! Love the attention to detail. Many times last year I thought there was opportunity to run quick hitches or curl routes, and I suspected that the reason we didn't run them is because they are so dependent on timing and accuracy, Not the "can you throw a football through a tire" accuracy. I'm talking about the, "Can you throw the ball to the place a man is supposed to be before he gets there and have it arrive the second he gets there and turns to catch it." That's they key to making hitch routes work for you. I think much of Rosier's inaccuracy has less to do with his arm muscles, and more to do with that 3 lbs of neurons between his ears. He's not dumb, but you just don't start being a QB in your Junior year. Coincidentally, it is for this reason I disagree with folks who say we've seen the ceiling with Rosier. Rosier's inaccuracy isn't a physical limitation. It's timing and understanding, same as Perry. You can't make any excuses for swing passes in the dirt or over heads, but lots of times Rosier throws an accurate ball after a window is closed or before it opens fully. This type of inaccuracy can be fixed. Does he have time before one of the young bucks overtake him? We'll see.

Perry really sounds, from everybody who's not a Perry peter puffer--that's called alliteration for you kids at home, like he really just needs a spit shine around the rougher aspects of his game. A little patience. Let the game come to you, young man, and know your athleticism is still there if things break down.

Williams sounds like the truth, and I'm really trying to temper expectations, but I have to be honest. I *********ed to your comment about him working back towards the pocket and hitting his second read. That's grown man work. Love the work you put into this write up detailing how repetitive he is in his throwing motion. Lots of idiots on this board believe that accuracy is a trait passed on through osmosis in the womb. No. Accuracy is doing it the right way every time until your body knows no other way. This is what Malik and Perry do not have. They can both be very good if they master timing. You can mask some inaccuracy with proper anticipation. But if Williams is what you say he is, he can be special.

Lets see how he reacts when he gets hit in the mouth, though before we crown him.

Every post you make is embarrassing. Leave alliterations and nicknames to Franchise,
 
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Regardless of all that, Richt seems to be pretty set on Rosier, he's taken the majority of the snaps at QB1 & if he goes into Fall camp getting all of the 1st team reps he'll be the starter.

I didn't think Rosier would be the starter because I thought Richt would want to develop one of the younger more talented QB's but I'm probably going to be wrong on that. I think Richt will stick with Rosier come **** or high water.

I don't know. Richt will play the guy that "knows what to do." He's said it too many times in rationalizing Malik being no.1. Now I don't know how long it takes a guy to learn "what to do," but if the more talented guy learns by the fall, I can't see Richt going with Malik regardless of who MIAMI plays.
 
Love how you mentioned the timing aspect. Ultimately


Glad you mentioned the timing aspect. Richt offenses are essentially intrinsically woven with timing at its core. Qb steps have to be precise. WR steps need to be precise. I have learned that their is this invisible dance centered around a metronome in Richt's head. He is the conductor. But ultimately this is what I am noticing. Defenses know the rhythm. Especially our defense. And this when it gets complicated with a skill set such as Malik.

I'll give you an example. During the scrimmage Malik first read had him looking out towards the X. But Manny had a nice combo switch with his striker. Essentially CB came down to play the flats, The striker from a lb position (Might have been Romeo) essentially took over top. Nice wrinkle although it is a standard cover 3 philosophy just with the striker and cb exchanging responsibilities. Malik at this point pauses. Seemingly confused by the read and takes a sack.

Now stuff like this can happen in the game all the time. Diaz knows the rhythm and the pre read "look" Malik is wanting to take. Just anticipate it with fools gold and get Malik to reset and gather and the % drops immensely. That is why I was so adamant in my early write up about his accuracy once he is out of "phase" with the initial rhythm.

I had this feeling yesterday with Malik that once that first read was taken away the play was doomed for failure. That is something collectively the staff might want to consider more. Those secondary and tertiary reads and having them built in bailouts quicker for Malik. At this point I would hope after 5 years at the collegiate level that Malik knows EXACTLY where to go with the ball if read one is not there. But I just do not see him doing that consistently and that was the case again yesterday.

Now to Malik's credit there were times where he read open field #1 then let the ball fly across the other side after it closed and the initial wasn't open. He maybe seemed to know that it was 1 v 1 opposite the look. However I do not recall him completing one of those passes. It was more to me "ok read one, NOPE, let it fly on the other side." But that was just my take.

If I am an opposing defensive coordinator. I sell out to do two things vs Miami. 1. Stop the run 2. Force Malik to read the field and take away his primary read. I would bait slants, bubbles, just ultimately do whatever I can to get him to go through his progressions. Ultimately I might be onto something here because when Miami can't run and you have seen the 7th batted slant, almost picked screen, and LB's taking away the bubble this offense seems to come apart at the seems.

Great exchange by you. Appreciate the time you put into your response.
All of this is a far more articulate way of stating what I’ve been trying to get across regarding Perry. He’ll never start for Richt unless he cuts down on some of his freelance work. He’s not going to try to force Nkosi into the mold of a pocket passer, and he’s not going to ban him from stretching the field with his legs.

But you are going to try it his way first. You are going to give his play every chance to succeed before abandoning it and going it alone.

I’ve lived in Georgia all my life and I’ve become just as familiar with UGA football as I am Miami football. Nkosi Perry reminds me a lot of DJ Shockey’s recruitment and development at UGA. Shockley is widely considered Richt’s first official QB recruit at UGA, but it wasn’t until Shockley was a RsSenior did Mark feel confident enough to trust him with the whole offense.
 
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