QB Mentality

[cflacane2]

OP doesn't like what the current top 5 winningest coach in FBS has to say about our mediocre backup checking down. Noted. Coley tells Kaaya to sling it but then calls a screen, next play, flea flicker in the snow.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

If you're worried that we might get too far away from James Coley the playcaller's mentality then you're kinda defeating the point of any discourse on the matter. Richt wanting his QB's to be intelligent does not equal Richt dinking and dunking all day between check-downs and 3rd down sideline throwaways. There's plenty of tape on his offensive resume.

I mean when was the last time he called plays? 2005 or something like that, right? A lot can change in what kind of plays he will call. We do know he's going to be more run heavy this year. I already think Kaaya dumped it off too much last year and wasn't too willing to make big plays.

Ok, I'll bite, what big plays wasn't he willing to make?

 

[Memnon]

Come on now... We not getting worried over sh*t that hasn't even happened yet are we?

Lol... Yo, y'all crazy fam. 9/3 is right around the corner, everything's going to be alright.

 

[ThomasM]

Richt knows that if the kids follow his plays they won't have to force anything. Coley knew they'd have to make a play, because he couldn't coach himself out of wet paper sack.

 

[daddacane]

Gotta think that applied specifically to Rosier. Kaaya cant run and doesnt throw picks

FYI Kaaya actually carried his HS team in the Cali championship game with his running...Oddly enough he looked out of place under Golden/Coley in that same scenario...

 

[Calinative]

If you're worried that we might get too far away from James Coley the playcaller's mentality then you're kinda defeating the point of any discourse on the matter. Richt wanting his QB's to be intelligent does not equal Richt dinking and dunking all day between check-downs and 3rd down sideline throwaways. There's plenty of tape on his offensive resume.

I mean when was the last time he called plays? 2005 or something like that, right? A lot can change in what kind of plays he will call. We do know he's going to be more run heavy this year. I already think Kaaya dumped it off too much last year and wasn't too willing to make big plays.

Ok, I'll bite, what big plays wasn't he willing to make?

Just in general, especially on 3rd downs. 16 Touchdowns was just kinda sad last year for someone we think is going to be a top qb in the nation. His Yards/Attempt is surprisingly higher than I would have thought, But i'd still like to see it above 9 this year. I do believe he will have a truly breakout season this year but I'm just saying I hope the passing game isn't going to be too predicated on short routes like the patriots use. Personally I'd rather have a 2011 Matthew Stafford than Alex Smith. I think the type of offense Miami should have is the type that pushes playmakers to make plays. I do think this does applies to Rosier a lot more than it would Kaaya, but that doesn't mean it isn't something to keep an eye on this year.

 

[DTP]

A yards per attempt number over 9 would put him in the upper stratosphere of QBs all time in that category. Unless ge completes like 75% of his passes. Yards per completion is a better measure of a QB's willingness to throw the ball downfield.

 

[obcanes]

Richt says in his video: if 1st-2nd-3rd options are covered, throw the ball away and get ready to line up again. He doesn't want you extending the play.
Unless it's Charlie Ward. He was told to run.

He doesn't want picks or sacks.

 

[Billy D Williams]

You seriously took all of that in and have become worried that we'll be stuck watching check down throws over and over?

I agree Brah! Season needs to start because these cats creating concerns. CMR doesn't want them trying to make a play and turn the ball over, when you can check down or throw it away. It's the foundation of quality quarterbacking. If there is a wide open lane to say get a first down then of course the coach doesn't mind if Kayaa runs and "slides"!!!!

 

[F-MarioCristobal]

Kaaya will do whatever he wants at QB.

That message is for Rosier. Basically saying they don't care if you "win" the game for us, just don't lose it and we'll be ok.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

If you're worried that we might get too far away from James Coley the playcaller's mentality then you're kinda defeating the point of any discourse on the matter. Richt wanting his QB's to be intelligent does not equal Richt dinking and dunking all day between check-downs and 3rd down sideline throwaways. There's plenty of tape on his offensive resume.

I mean when was the last time he called plays? 2005 or something like that, right? A lot can change in what kind of plays he will call. We do know he's going to be more run heavy this year. I already think Kaaya dumped it off too much last year and wasn't too willing to make big plays.

Ok, I'll bite, what big plays wasn't he willing to make?

Just in general, especially on 3rd downs. 16 Touchdowns was just kinda sad last year for someone we think is going to be a top qb in the nation. His Yards/Attempt is surprisingly higher than I would have thought, But i'd still like to see it above 9 this year. I do believe he will have a truly breakout season this year but I'm just saying I hope the passing game isn't going to be too predicated on short routes like the patriots use. Personally I'd rather have a 2011 Matthew Stafford than Alex Smith. I think the type of offense Miami should have is the type that pushes playmakers to make plays. I do think this does applies to Rosier a lot more than it would Kaaya, but that doesn't mean it isn't something to keep an eye on this year.

Let's try again.

You said he wasn't "willing to make big plays". What big plays did he pass up? Specifically.

Just a couple of examples would be nice.

You know, maybe you can find a few plays where a receiver was open down the sideline but Kaaya decided to check down five yards to the RB instead.

 

[kryptonite]

I think some people need to get onboard with the fact that, since al left, their opinion is no longer better than the coaching staff's.

 

[kryptonite]

If you're worried that we might get too far away from James Coley the playcaller's mentality then you're kinda defeating the point of any discourse on the matter. Richt wanting his QB's to be intelligent does not equal Richt dinking and dunking all day between check-downs and 3rd down sideline throwaways. There's plenty of tape on his offensive resume.

I mean when was the last time he called plays? 2005 or something like that, right? A lot can change in what kind of plays he will call. We do know he's going to be more run heavy this year. I already think Kaaya dumped it off too much last year and wasn't too willing to make big plays.

Ok, I'll bite, what big plays wasn't he willing to make?

Just in general, especially on 3rd downs. 16 Touchdowns was just kinda sad last year for someone we think is going to be a top qb in the nation. His Yards/Attempt is surprisingly higher than I would have thought, But i'd still like to see it above 9 this year. I do believe he will have a truly breakout season this year but I'm just saying I hope the passing game isn't going to be too predicated on short routes like the patriots use. Personally I'd rather have a 2011 Matthew Stafford than Alex Smith. I think the type of offense Miami should have is the type that pushes playmakers to make plays. I do think this does applies to Rosier a lot more than it would Kaaya, but that doesn't mean it isn't something to keep an eye on this year.

Totally agree. The link between coley calling plays and Kayaa's y/att is tenuous at best.

 

[Calinative]

If you're worried that we might get too far away from James Coley the playcaller's mentality then you're kinda defeating the point of any discourse on the matter. Richt wanting his QB's to be intelligent does not equal Richt dinking and dunking all day between check-downs and 3rd down sideline throwaways. There's plenty of tape on his offensive resume.

I mean when was the last time he called plays? 2005 or something like that, right? A lot can change in what kind of plays he will call. We do know he's going to be more run heavy this year. I already think Kaaya dumped it off too much last year and wasn't too willing to make big plays.

Ok, I'll bite, what big plays wasn't he willing to make?

Just in general, especially on 3rd downs. 16 Touchdowns was just kinda sad last year for someone we think is going to be a top qb in the nation. His Yards/Attempt is surprisingly higher than I would have thought, But i'd still like to see it above 9 this year. I do believe he will have a truly breakout season this year but I'm just saying I hope the passing game isn't going to be too predicated on short routes like the patriots use. Personally I'd rather have a 2011 Matthew Stafford than Alex Smith. I think the type of offense Miami should have is the type that pushes playmakers to make plays. I do think this does applies to Rosier a lot more than it would Kaaya, but that doesn't mean it isn't something to keep an eye on this year.

Let's try again.

You said he wasn't "willing to make big plays". What big plays did he pass up? Specifically.

Just a couple of examples would be nice.

You know, maybe you can find a few plays where a receiver was open down the sideline but Kaaya decided to check down five yards to the RB instead.

If a guy is open deep Kaaya better make the throw. But he should also be a good enough QB where if a guy is covered, he can throw them open. We think he's a potential 1st round pick, he better be able to make great throws. Second of all, how are you going to misquote me when what I said is literally right above what you're typing? I'm not saying Kaaya is going to see a wide open WR 20 yards down field and not pull the trigger. I'm saying there are qbs who don't take the risk and try to hit guys for big plays if they are covered. I want Kaaya to try to make some difficult throws because I think he has the ability to make them. I don't want to see him only try to throw deep if a guys wide open.

 

[OriginalCanesCanesCanes]

If you say, Kaaya wasn't willing to make the big plays, then you have to specifically show where he didn't, or wouldn't, make the big plays. As in a YouTube of plays where he passed up a reasonable downfield target for a short gain. Otherwise it's just made-up bull****.

You're making up a mythology of Kayaa passing up big plays with ZERO documentation. That's called bull****.

 

[Canes21]

If you're worried that we might get too far away from James Coley the playcaller's mentality then you're kinda defeating the point of any discourse on the matter. Richt wanting his QB's to be intelligent does not equal Richt dinking and dunking all day between check-downs and 3rd down sideline throwaways. There's plenty of tape on his offensive resume.

I mean when was the last time he called plays? 2005 or something like that, right? A lot can change in what kind of plays he will call. We do know he's going to be more run heavy this year. I already think Kaaya dumped it off too much last year and wasn't too willing to make big plays.

Ok, I'll bite, what big plays wasn't he willing to make?

Just in general, especially on 3rd downs. 16 Touchdowns was just kinda sad last year for someone we think is going to be a top qb in the nation. His Yards/Attempt is surprisingly higher than I would have thought, But i'd still like to see it above 9 this year. I do believe he will have a truly breakout season this year but I'm just saying I hope the passing game isn't going to be too predicated on short routes like the patriots use. Personally I'd rather have a 2011 Matthew Stafford than Alex Smith. I think the type of offense Miami should have is the type that pushes playmakers to make plays. I do think this does applies to Rosier a lot more than it would Kaaya, but that doesn't mean it isn't something to keep an eye on this year.

Totally agree. The link between coley calling plays and Kayaa's y/att is tenuous at best.

Really? The QB's play isn't impacted by the play calling very much?

Jesus Christ this place finds a way to get worse each passing day.

 

[kryptonite]

I mean when was the last time he called plays? 2005 or something like that, right? A lot can change in what kind of plays he will call. We do know he's going to be more run heavy this year. I already think Kaaya dumped it off too much last year and wasn't too willing to make big plays.

Ok, I'll bite, what big plays wasn't he willing to make?

Just in general, especially on 3rd downs. 16 Touchdowns was just kinda sad last year for someone we think is going to be a top qb in the nation. His Yards/Attempt is surprisingly higher than I would have thought, But i'd still like to see it above 9 this year. I do believe he will have a truly breakout season this year but I'm just saying I hope the passing game isn't going to be too predicated on short routes like the patriots use. Personally I'd rather have a 2011 Matthew Stafford than Alex Smith. I think the type of offense Miami should have is the type that pushes playmakers to make plays. I do think this does applies to Rosier a lot more than it would Kaaya, but that doesn't mean it isn't something to keep an eye on this year.

Totally agree. The link between coley calling plays and Kayaa's y/att is tenuous at best.

Really? The QB's play isn't impacted by the play calling very much?

Jesus Christ this place finds a way to get worse each passing day.

WTf are you on about? If Kayaa can't get 20+ yards out of a bubble screen, well that's on him. I'm sick of people using the excuse that just because 37% of last year's plays were screens, Kayaa couldn't have made them go for 400+ yards per game. You're one of those suckers who bought the "not letting DTs in the opposing backfield lowered our TFL numbers" people aren't you?

 

[Calinative]

If you say, Kaaya wasn't willing to make the big plays, then you have to specifically show where he didn't, or wouldn't, make the big plays. As in a YouTube of plays where he passed up a reasonable downfield target for a short gain. Otherwise it's just made-up bull****.

You're making up a mythology of Kayaa passing up big plays with ZERO documentation. That's called bull****.

Quit being overdramatic dude. It'll probably be tough to actually find video of this because draftbreakdown videos are all sideline shots but
Brad Kaaya vs Cincinnati (2015) | Draft Breakdown
1:03 takes the curl instead of the corner.
5:10 3rd and 10, throws for 3yds. Even better view is at 5:26, we literally see a guy running wide open deep.
This is the first video I watched and I will admit the absolutely stupid amount of screens we ran probably made it seem like he was taking the shorter options more often than he actually was. When you run 4 screens a quarter it definitely makes it seem like you're throwing it short for no gain more than you actually are.
If I watch more tape I'll probably find that he was trying to hit the big plays, but just wasn't making good enough throws.
Also i think on 3rd downs we ran a lot of comeback routes, which he just didn't hit too well, and theres a lot of evidence on that on other tapes.

 

[Canes21]

He did miss the corner at 1:03, but there was nobody wide open like you're saying. The streak was covered. That was just a terrible play call all around which is par the course with Coley. Brady was the only throw there.

 

[Calinative]

He did miss the corner at 1:03, but there was nobody wide open like you're saying. The streak was covered. That was just a terrible play call all around which is par the course with Coley. Brady was the only throw there.

Who exactly is covering the streak at 5:26? The safety just standing there as the WR is sprinting down the field? If when Kaaya threw the ball it was intended for the wr on the streak there's no way with even a semi-accurate throw that that isn't a completion.