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Miami, USC, Notre Dame have had a rough decade. This is also around the time that Universities starting getting an influx of students and taxpayer money.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is there any information out there that debunks this? I feel like it's an uphill battle for private universities moving forward. Until we stop federally backing student loans? (Free cash for universities. Half of students that go college don't graduate, but they still carry the debt)
 
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kgranger17 said:
Miami, USC, Notre Dame have had a rough decade. This is also around the time that Universities starting getting an influx of students and taxpayer money.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is there any information out there that debunks this? I feel like it's an uphill battle for private universities moving forward. Until we stop federally backing student loans? (Free cash for universities. Half of students that go college don't graduate, but they still carry the debt)
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Those are indeed the built-in advantages of universities that live off taxpayer dollars. Especially when half the ******* state legislature matriculated there and half the ******* state media (who also matriculated there) clamor for more money to be thrown at their coffers.
 
Norte Dame has an unlimited War Chest, aside from their Big money donors, they have a lifetime deal with NBC.

They essentially have an unlimited revenue source with have a never ending stream of cash from their TV deal.

Your premise however is correct, public schools are backed by taxpayer dollars, while private schools have to rely more heavy on booster donors.

Although most of the big money public schools have more boosters than the private schools anyway.
 
The question is how do Miami change over from private to public!! IF that's possible.. BUT IF it is, that should definitely be something talked about..
 
NorthernVirginiaCane said:
I think it's more a question of enrollment than private/public.

Much easier with 30k-40k students.
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Taxpayer dollars are always an advantage, no matter how you slice it. But if you are insinuating that not all publics are created equal, you are right. There is no comparing a "flagship"-designated school like UNC, UiF, or UT, with a University of Houston or FAU. The former get Amazon money. The latter get the crumbs.
 
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Notre Dame gets the NBC money, but they are being very foolish. If they came into the ACC as a full member they'd have a much better shot at making it to the playoff on a yearly basis. ****, if we had a real team these past few years we'd at least have been in the ACCCG quite a few times with a shot at the playoffs.
 
$ is not an issue for any p5 school w/ major tv & endorsement deals.
idiots at the top that dont want to spend it or dunno how to spend it are the bigger issue...
Miami is bringing in more $ than ever with ACC TV deal & adidas deal. yet it's arguably in it's lowest point in the last 40 years.
then look at private schools like baylor tcu & smu that have had recent success when they've made the right hires...

do private schools maybe have a lower ceiling? possibly. but all the schools mentioned have enough $ to make the proper hires & elevate their football programs. the issue with every single 1 of the schools stated above can be directly correlated to coaching hires
 
LuiiisMDO said:
$ is not an issue for any p5 school w/ major tv & endorsement deals.
idiots at the top that dont want to spend it or dunno how to spend it are the bigger issue...
Miami is bringing in more $ than ever with ACC TV deal & adidas deal. yet it's arguably in it's lowest point in the last 40 years.
then look at private schools like baylor tcu & smu that have had recent success when they've made the right hires...

do private schools maybe have a lower ceiling? possibly. but all the schools mentioned have enough $ to make the proper hires & elevate their football programs. the issue with every single 1 of the schools stated above can be directly correlated to coaching hires
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Coaching hires are directly ties to money. Am I wrong?

I think there is a reason we can't hire LSU's DC. Boy makes more than manny; almost.
 
Maddog71 said:
Notre Dame gets the NBC money, but they are being very foolish. If they came into the ACC as a full member they'd have a much better shot at making it to the playoff on a yearly basis. ****, if we had a real team these past few years we'd at least have been in the ACCCG quite a few times with a shot at the playoffs.
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Why would ACC make it easier for Notre Dame? Because their schedule would be weaker?
 
kgranger17 said:
Miami, USC, Notre Dame have had a rough decade. This is also around the time that Universities starting getting an influx of students and taxpayer money.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is there any information out there that debunks this? I feel like it's an uphill battle for private universities moving forward. Until we stop federally backing student loans? (Free cash for universities. Half of students that go college don't graduate, but they still carry the debt)
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Alabama and UGA spend almost 3 million per year on recruiting. Clemson spends 2 million. Miami spends 500k. Has nothing to do with public v private money. There is no reason Miami couldn't spend an additional 1.5 million on recruiting other than the administration is cheap and thinks it can run a winning program on a shoestring budget.
 
337CaneNation said:
The question is how do Miami change over from private to public!! IF that's possible.. BUT IF it is, that should definitely be something talked about..
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Pitt and Temple did it in the 60s
They were going bankrupt and were deemed to big to fail. They became state affiliated. Had multiple decades as private
 
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Based on Miami’s overall program history, I honestly would say that the last 15 years or so can more accurately be described as a return to the natural state of things than a “down period.”

Anyway, ND has a giant TV contract that’s shared with nobody, and USC has the richest alumni base in America. Neither has a problem with money.

Miami never had much money, but defied the odds for 20-25 years. Now, we’ve stopped defying the odds.
 
kgranger17 said:
Miami, USC, Notre Dame have had a rough decade. This is also around the time that Universities starting getting an influx of students and taxpayer money.

Has anyone else noticed this? Is there any information out there that debunks this? I feel like it's an uphill battle for private universities moving forward. Until we stop federally backing student loans? (Free cash for universities. Half of students that go college don't graduate, but they still carry the debt)
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Also I doubt the school cared about the individuals high school grade that helped build the football program.. I didn't grow up in Florida. But according to the documentary on espn dubbed - The U; two parts too. They made it seem like with the actual former players themselves reiterating the stories. They just dominated in the games and in the clubs.
 
Dude said:
Why would ACC make it easier for Notre Dame? Because their schedule would be weaker?
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I didn't say anything about the ACC wanting to make it easier for ND. I'm just saying that if they were in the Coastal their path to the championship would be easier than their current schedules.
 
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