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Protect College Sports Act [formerly “SCORE Act” thread]

Genghis Cane said:
Miami becomes relevant again for the first time in 20 years and of course something like this happens that could send us back to irrelevancy. Sickening.
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It’s not a great bill for us, but I’m not sure it makes us irrelevant. Basically, the bill in its current form locks us out of joining the SEC or Big Ten. If we are locked into the ACC, though, we actually want a cap, which the bill includes. If the cap is actually enforced, then I don’t think Miami becomes irrelevant. Even though we would be in a lesser conference, we could probably still spend at the top end of the cap for the foreseeable future and compete for the best talent.

What would truly be the death knell for UM is a bill that has no cap and no conference expansion. Then we’re toast. So, counterintuitively, although the cap might hurt us in the short-term, I think UM would actually welcome a cap if we are going to be stuck in the ACC, because that would be the only way we can keep up with the SEC and Big Ten.
 
Luckily, there are lawyers who already filed an antitrust lawsuit against the P4 and the NCAA for artificially limiting the NIL-revenue sharing pool.

bergermontague.com

Division I Men’s Football and Basketball Players Filed a Class Action Against Sports Governing Bodies and Athletic Conferences for Conspiring to Restrict Their Ability to Monetize their Name, Image, and Likeness Rights

Class Action Lawsuit Charges the NCAA, Power Four Athletic Conferences, the College Sports Commission, and Their Leaders with Conspiring in Violation of Federal and California Antitrust Law Berger Montague and Freedman, Normand and Friedlund, two leading national plaintiff law firms, filed a...
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The increase from PCSA won’t impact these Plaintiffs and lawyers from pursuing this class action moving forward. I suspect attorneys may also litigate against other provisions such as the one-time transfer rule because it wasn’t collectively bargained as well
 
CanesNation26 said:
It’s not a great bill for us, but I’m not sure it makes us irrelevant. Basically, the bill in its current form locks us out of joining the SEC or Big Ten. If we are locked into the ACC, though, we actually want a cap, which the bill includes. If the cap is actually enforced, then I don’t think Miami becomes irrelevant. Even though we would be in a lesser conference, we could probably still spend at the top end of the cap for the foreseeable future and compete for the best talent.

What would truly be the death knell for UM is a bill that has no cap and no conference expansion. Then we’re toast. So, counterintuitively, although the cap might hurt us in the short-term, I think UM would actually welcome a cap if we are going to be stuck in the ACC, because that would be the only way we can keep up with the SEC and Big Ten.
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The gap in revenue continues to widen every year. We won’t be able to compete with B1G and SEC teams in the long run if we are forced to stay in the ACC.

Nevermind how it’s going to be used against us recruiting wise that we play in a dog **** conference that doesn’t have premier programs or fan bases.

This is horrible for us. And I’m tired of people trying to spin it (not saying you, specifically). Our only hope is the bill fails. Otherwise, we’re ****ed. The fact it’s been endorsed by all the conferences, including our own, destroys any bit of leverage we thought we had.
 
Genghis Cane said:
The gap in revenue continues to widen every year. We won’t be able to compete with B1G and SEC teams in the long run if we are forced to stay in the ACC.

Nevermind how it’s going to be used against us recruiting wise that we play in a dog **** conference that doesn’t have premier programs or fan bases.

This is horrible for us. And I’m tired of people trying to spin it (not saying you, specifically). Our only hope is the bill fails. Otherwise, we’re ****ed. The fact it’s been endorsed by all the conferences, including our own, destroys any bit of leverage we thought we had.
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Right, it will get worse over time. That’s exactly why my point stands: if we’re locked into the ACC, which I agree is a bad outcome, the only way we can compete is if there is a cap. Otherwise, the gap will eventually get too big for us to keep up in an unlimited NIL world.

I’m not saying the bill is good. The best outcome would be conference expansion with no cap, so we can get out of the ACC. But if we are stuck in the ACC, then we absolutely need a cap, because that is probably the only way we can keep close with the SEC and Big Ten.
 
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Genghis Cane said:
The gap in revenue continues to widen every year. We won’t be able to compete with B1G and SEC teams in the long run if we are forced to stay in the ACC.

Nevermind how it’s going to be used against us recruiting wise that we play in a dog **** conference that doesn’t have premier programs or fan bases.

This is horrible for us. And I’m tired of people trying to spin it (not saying you, specifically). Our only hope is the bill fails. Otherwise, we’re ****ed. The fact it’s been endorsed by all the conferences, including our own, destroys any bit of leverage we thought we had.
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ACC is locked in a suge knight 360 deal and these other conferences which already have a gulf in amount they make, will reup twice more before ACC even get a sniff, what a disaster.. ACC went from sending 2nd amount of NFL talent to league before deal to becoming castrated.. How has this deal not been investigated, it is a poison pill to kill conference on purpose..
 
Genghis Cane said:
Miami becomes relevant again for the first time in 20 years and of course something like this happens that could send us back to irrelevancy. Sickening.
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Wow. Nothing has changed yet ... why over react? First, it is highly UN likely that the Senate bill gets approved by the House as written. There are many people with a lot of industry background who are stating that at the very least the 19 member conference membership cap will be modified ... increased to 20, 22, 24 or eliminated, and the same for the "5 years as an independent" prior to joining a new conference. Those are ridiculous limitations and doubtful that they will be in the completed bill. The important issues that need to be addressed are the NIL / player payments and transfer rules ... as well as the "Kiffin Rule" on coaches quitting teams mid season. Nobody said the road from the ACC wouldn't be a bumpy one, and this is just another bump.
 
Rickd said:
Wow. Nothing has changed yet ... why over react? First, it is highly UN likely that the Senate bill gets approved by the House as written. There are many people with a lot of industry background who are stating that at the very least the 19 member conference membership cap will be modified ... increased to 20, 22, 24 or eliminated, and the same for the "5 years as an independent" prior to joining a new conference. Those are ridiculous limitations and doubtful that they will be in the completed bill. The important issues that need to be addressed are the NIL / player payments and transfer rules ... as well as the "Kiffin Rule" on coaches quitting teams mid season. Nobody said the road from the ACC wouldn't be a bumpy one, and this is just another bump.
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I 100% agree with you that it won’t past the House as currently written
 
CanesNation26 said:
Right, it will get worse over time. That’s exactly why my point stands: if we’re locked into the ACC, which I agree is a bad outcome, the only way we can compete is if there is a cap. Otherwise, the gap will eventually get too big for us to keep up in an unlimited NIL world.

I’m not saying the bill is good. The best outcome would be conference expansion with no cap, so we can get out of the ACC. But if we are stuck in the ACC, then we absolutely need a cap, because that is probably the only way we can keep close with the SEC and Big Ten.
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Yes, because schools did such a good job obeying the "no pay" to student-athletes so well over the previous 25 years. I'm sure the enforcement of the "cap" will be handled just as effectively. :cool:
 
CaneinBroward said:
CanesNation26 said:
Right, it will get worse over time. That’s exactly why my point stands: if we’re locked into the ACC, which I agree is a bad outcome, the only way we can compete is if there is a cap. Otherwise, the gap will eventually get too big for us to keep up in an unlimited NIL world.

I’m not saying the bill is good. The best outcome would be conference expansion with no cap, so we can get out of the ACC. But if we are stuck in the ACC, then we absolutely need a cap, because that is probably the only way we can keep close with the SEC and Big Ten.
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Would you rather be locked in the ACC with a cap or with no cap?

Assume there’s a 10 percent chance the cap is enforced.
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CanesNation26 said:
Would you rather be locked in the ACC with a cap or with no cap?
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If the cap is selectively enforced against certain schools, but not others (like the previous cap of $0), it doesn't matter.

None of this is how this new world of college football should be handled IMO, but it is what it is as they say.
 
CaneinBroward said:
If the cap is selectively enforced against certain schools, but not others (like the previous cap of $0), it doesn't matter.

None of this is how this new world of college football should be handled IMO, but it is what it is as they say.
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If there's a 10 percent chance the cap is enforced across the board because of the new anti-trust exemption, would you rather be locked in the ACC with the cap or with no cap?
 
CanesNation26 said:
If there's a 10 percent chance the cap is enforced across the board because of the new anti-trust exemption, would you rather be locked in the ACC with the cap or with no cap?
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The Office Lol GIF
 
CanesNation26 said:
exactly
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They didn't need an anti-trust exemption to enforce no pay but still let SOME universities pay players before NIL, but just because they get an anti-trust exemption things would change? I don't see it. The NCAA is even more impotent now when it comes to enforcement than it was back then.

Stay positive though. I wish I could, but when the powers that be in control of college football can't get their **** together and need the government to get involved, it is a sad state of affairs.
 
CanesNation26 said:
It’s not a great bill for us, but I’m not sure it makes us irrelevant. Basically, the bill in its current form locks us out of joining the SEC or Big Ten. If we are locked into the ACC, though, we actually want a cap, which the bill includes. If the cap is actually enforced, then I don’t think Miami becomes irrelevant. Even though we would be in a lesser conference, we could probably still spend at the top end of the cap for the foreseeable future and compete for the best talent.

What would truly be the death knell for UM is a bill that has no cap and no conference expansion. Then we’re toast. So, counterintuitively, although the cap might hurt us in the short-term, I think UM would actually welcome a cap if we are going to be stuck in the ACC, because that would be the only way we can keep up with the SEC and Big Ten.
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No offense man, but this is kind of silly. It’s completely ignoring the fact that as it stands right now cap or no cap there is a tens of millions of dollars gap between us and the Big Ten in the SEC on the media side that would only grow and the cap doesn’t limit that which means they can once again put money into facilities And other non-Related things to give them an advantage, and you’re continuing to rely on the generosity of billionaires to deal with that shortcoming
 
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CaneinBroward said:
They didn't need an anti-trust exemption to enforce no pay but still let SOME universities pay players before NIL, but just because they get an anti-trust exemption things would change? I don't see it. The NCAA is even more impotent now when it comes to enforcement than it was back then.

Stay positive though. I wish I could, but when the powers that be in control of college football can't get their **** together and need the government to get involved, it is a sad state of affairs.
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I made a simple point: if Miami is locked into the ACC, then having a cap is better than having no cap.

I think you actually agree with that point, but you're trying hard to disagree by arguing against positions I never took.

I never said the cap was likely to be enforced. That issue isn't critical to my point unless you think the likelihood of enforcement is literally 0, though I do think enforcement is more likely than you suggest. And I certainly never said the bill was good for Miami. Quite the opposite. I said the bill is bad for Miami.
 
Ispyin said:
No offense man, but this is kind of silly. It’s completely ignoring the fact that as it stands right now capper no cap there is a tens of millions of dollars gap between us and the Big Ten in the SEC on the media side that would only grow and the cap doesn’t limit that which means they can once again put money into facilities And other non-Related things to give them an advantage, and you’re continuing to rely on the generosity of billionaires to deal with that shortcoming
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I'm not sure what point you think I made, but I don't think you're comprehending what I said.

Would you rather a world in which schools can outbid us for recruits and also outspend us for nicer facilities?

Or would you rather a world where schools can't outbid us for recruits because of the cap, but can still outspend us for nicer facilities?

I think the second scenario is clearly better. If you agree, then we're on the same page.
 
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