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Protect College Sports Act [formerly “SCORE Act” thread]

DTP said:
Is there any other legal form of entrepreneurship where the government steps in and says “whoah, you can’t make that much money, we need to put a cap on how much you can make”?

It’s crazy how far some people will go to keep some other people from having money.
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It’s supposed to be amateur sports however.

It’s a crazy and broken wild, Wild West system that doesn’t even exist in professional sports.

There needs to be boundaries created around coaches switching jobs, unlimited transfers and age limits.

The money part should remain but with constraints. The money and unlimited transfers it’s what’s made it untenable.
 
I am not so certain how this will play out. Maybe allowing the supposed chaos to play out will lead to a sorting out and a not so terrible outcome?

And if certain low revenue generating sports get axed then is that really so bad?

The old system was a disaster itself. Some schools could cheat and get away with it. They dominated while other schools could never get away with half the cheating and lagged.
 
PIPO said:
It’s supposed to be amateur sports however.

It’s a crazy and broken wild, Wild West system that doesn’t even exist in professional sports.

There needs to be boundaries created around coaches switching jobs, unlimited transfers and age limits.

The money part should remain but with constraints. The money and unlimited transfers it’s what’s made it untenable.
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Let the free market make the financial decisions. It has proven over history to be a lot more efficient than humans interfering because they know what is best. Humans have an unlimited capacity to ***** things up.

And the only reason pro sports have limits is because pro sports have collective bargaining. Unless and until there is collective bargaining in college sports, any limitation, especially any financial limitation as to how much money a person can earn, will be struck down by the courts. As it should be. There is no precedent anywhere else in America for a limitation on earning power in which there is no bargaining, either individual or collective.
 
AtlAtty said:
Let the free market make the financial decisions. It has proven over history to be a lot more efficient than humans interfering because they know what is best. Humans have an unlimited capacity to ***** things up.

And the only reason pro sports have limits is because pro sports have collective bargaining. Unless and until there is collective bargaining in college sports, any limitation, especially any financial limitation as to how much money a person can earn, will be struck down by the courts. As it should be. There is no precedent anywhere else in America for a limitation on earning power in which there is no bargaining, either individual or collective.
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The moment collective bargaining is introduced, Miami is screwed and the big boys will resurface and parity will be lost.

Let the money stay mostly as is. What I really want is a cap on transfers (1 transfer). If you transfer a 2nd time or any more times, you must sit out a year. Also, 5 years max in school.

I love that we got Carson Beck and that he helped us. But the fact he was 24 years old is ridiculous. Our old tight end that was 26. Ridiculous.

The fact that the avg college baseball player is 22 years old is ridiculous.

These types of things I want regulated. If you turn 23 years old before your sports season starts, you can’t play. You are done! If you turn 23 after your season starts, ok! That’s it. Your final year whether you are healthy or not.

Those are the types of regulations I want to see. Not some 23-26 year old tackling an 18 year old on the field or some 24 year old pitcher throwing 98 last the ear hole of an 18 year old in baseball or some former professional basketball player in Europe now 24 going up against 18 year olds in basketball or the other Olympic sports.

What’s going on pre high school now is ridiculous in so many sports especially baseball. Kids reclassifying before 9th grade once or twice and thus graduating high school at 19 or 19.5 years old just to get an opportunity to compete for a scholarship due to transfer portal or JUCO 2 years not counting for 4 year college eligibility.
 
As stated elsewhere in this thread, maybe limit the number of free transfers & years of eligibility - though five years may not be the number, especially in injury-related circumstances.

Otherwise, let the system work itself out & be what it may. Fighting to preserve some kind of amateur college model is hilarious. Football is the engine driving everything. Ultimately, maybe we get to a super division or league of 50 or however many football programs. That’s where it’s headed, so why beg Congress for laws to stunt the inevitable while also further benefitting the SEC & Big Ten, who balk at changes to TV revenue distribution.

Finally, the notion that college athletics - specifically college football - are in crisis is a major stretch. It’s definitely changing and, yes, about **** time players reap some of the financial rewards. But interest & popularity of the sport is at an all-time high.
 
PIPO said:
The moment collective bargaining is introduced, Miami is screwed and the big boys will resurface and parity will be lost.

Let the money stay mostly as is. What I really want is a cap on transfers (1 transfer). If you transfer a 2nd time or any more times, you must sit out a year. Also, 5 years max in school.

I love that we got Carson Beck and that he helped us. But the fact he was 24 years old is ridiculous. Our old tight end that was 26. Ridiculous.

The fact that the avg college baseball player is 22 years old is ridiculous.

These types of things I want regulated. If you turn 23 years old before your sports season starts, you can’t play. You are done! If you turn 23 after your season starts, ok! That’s it. Your final year whether you are healthy or not.

Those are the types of regulations I want to see. Not some 23-26 year old tackling an 18 year old on the field or some 24 year old pitcher throwing 98 last the ear hole of an 18 year old in baseball or some former professional basketball player in Europe now 24 going up against 18 year olds in basketball or the other Olympic sports.

What’s going on pre high school now is ridiculous in so many sports especially baseball. Kids reclassifying before 9th grade once or twice and thus graduating high school at 19 or 19.5 years old just to get an opportunity to compete for a scholarship due to transfer portal or JUCO 2 years not counting for 4 year college eligibility.
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My main issue is just with financial limitations because I don’t see how we can carve out one group of people in America having a limit on earning potential. Just one group?

I think your ideas are really fair. Having an age based differentiation between college and pro is common sense, which means it’s not very common unfortunately.
 
PIPO said:
The moment collective bargaining is introduced, Miami is screwed and the big boys will resurface and parity will be lost.

Let the money stay mostly as is. What I really want is a cap on transfers (1 transfer). If you transfer a 2nd time or any more times, you must sit out a year. Also, 5 years max in school.

I love that we got Carson Beck and that he helped us. But the fact he was 24 years old is ridiculous. Our old tight end that was 26. Ridiculous.

The fact that the avg college baseball player is 22 years old is ridiculous.

These types of things I want regulated. If you turn 23 years old before your sports season starts, you can’t play. You are done! If you turn 23 after your season starts, ok! That’s it. Your final year whether you are healthy or not.

Those are the types of regulations I want to see. Not some 23-26 year old tackling an 18 year old on the field or some 24 year old pitcher throwing 98 last the ear hole of an 18 year old in baseball or some former professional basketball player in Europe now 24 going up against 18 year olds in basketball or the other Olympic sports.

What’s going on pre high school now is ridiculous in so many sports especially baseball. Kids reclassifying before 9th grade once or twice and thus graduating high school at 19 or 19.5 years old just to get an opportunity to compete for a scholarship due to transfer portal or JUCO 2 years not counting for 4 year college eligibility.
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Understand age limits, but even that is dicey. College football had older players long before the NIL era. Seen it with guys who sign pro baseball contracts & later find their way back to college football. BYU has always had older players as a result of many of its athletes going on missions. Also don’t have a problem with a player getting one additional year beyond a fifth year if he’s sidelined by injury.
But our 26 yr old TE is a bit much as well as Indiana fielding a quite mature roster.
 
bacane said:
Understand age limits, but even that is dicey. College football had older players long before the NIL era. Seen it with guys who sign pro baseball contracts & later find their way back to college football. BYU has always had older players as a result of many of its athletes going on missions. Also don’t have a problem with a player getting one additional year beyond a fifth year if he’s sidelined by injury.
But our 26 yr old TE is a bit much as well as Indiana fielding a quite mature roster.
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Good points. Chris Weinke comes immediately to mind.

I think you can make some exemptions there. Even then you can put limits: missionary at BYU: you are done by age 24/25 in sports so get it done early.

Baseball pro coming back to play football or vice versa: get it done by age 25. Etc, etc.

Eventually some careers must end whether injuries or not. Definitely no more than 6 years. I prefer the 5 (one redshirt to develop year and out by 5). 5 years with no redshirt and one injury or 6 years only if redshirt first year and then Injured one year along the way.
 
AtlAtty said:
Let the free market make the financial decisions. It has proven over history to be a lot more efficient than humans interfering because they know what is best. Humans have an unlimited capacity to ***** things up.

And the only reason pro sports have limits is because pro sports have collective bargaining. Unless and until there is collective bargaining in college sports, any limitation, especially any financial limitation as to how much money a person can earn, will be struck down by the courts. As it should be. There is no precedent anywhere else in America for a limitation on earning power in which there is no bargaining, either individual or collective.
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Exactly all of this is because the stupid ******* universities and the people that run them profited for decades off of athletes and instead of just fixing it once and for all with the obvious solution, they look for every way to avoid it and it’s ultimately just gonna get them to where They’re gonna have to do it anyway.

If they collectively bargain, and they trade for things on both sides, that’s one thing go with God. But I find an amazing how everyone else is so willing to limit somebody else’s income and away that they would never want for themselves.
If they earn more money, they earn more money and then they pay more taxes, except of course, if they were a billionaire in which case they paid none
 
Ispyin said:
Exactly all of this is because the stupid ******* universities and the people that run them profited for decades off of athletes and instead of just fixing it once and for all with the obvious solution, they look for every way to avoid it and it’s ultimately just gonna get them to where They’re gonna have to do it anyway.

If they collectively bargain, and they trade for things on both sides, that’s one thing go with God. But I find an amazing how everyone else is so willing to limit somebody else’s income and away that they would never want for themselves.
If they earn more money, they earn more money and then they pay more taxes, except of course, if they were a billionaire in which case they paid none
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People have been voluntarily brainwashed. The American attitude is:

Actors make too much money,
Athletes make too much money.
CEO’s make too much money,

Unless I’m the athlete, actor or CEO.
 
PIPO said:
Good points. Chris Weinke comes immediately to mind.

I think you can make some exemptions there. Even then you can put limits: missionary at BYU: you are done by age 24/25 in sports so get it done early.

Baseball pro coming back to play football or vice versa: get it done by age 25. Etc, etc.

Eventually some careers must end whether injuries or not. Definitely no more than 6 years. I prefer the 5 (one redshirt to develop year and out by 5). 5 years with no redshirt and one injury or 6 years only if redshirt first year and then Injured one year along the way.
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Interesting discussion & good points, but don’t see how an age limit could be established. Would it even be legal?
 
bacane said:
Interesting discussion & good points, but don’t see how an age limit could be established. Would it even be legal?
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Likely not: can’t discriminate vs age, ***, etc but not sure how it’s litigated. Maybe @AtlAtty can interject as he’s a lawyer.
 
Seems to me that a major inflection point just took place.

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NFL endorses Protect College Sports Act as 'important step' toward stability

The NFL released a statement applauding the Protect College Sports Act as an "important step" toward stability in the space.
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NFL, NFLPA, and NBAPA endorses the bill. Curious to why the NBA did not.

At the same time, Tommy Tuberville goes against the bill.

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Tommy Tuberville speaks out against Protect College Sports Act, says bill 'goes too far'

Tommy Tuberville spoke out against the Protect College Sports Act on Tuesday and argued the bill "goes too far."
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In a more than 15-minute speech on the floor of the U.S. Senate, Sen. Tommy Tuberville(R-Ala.) spoke against the Protect College Sports Act. He said the bill “goes too far” as he motioned for unanimous consent to pass his bill, the Student-Athlete Act.

As he gave his remarks, Tuberville had two displays on either side of him. On his right, there were five parts of the Protect College Sports Act he considers part of a “federal takeover of college sports,” including the caps on athlete compensation and “government-controlled” TV deals. On his left, Tuberville had the three main points of the Student-Athlete Act: five years of eligibility, five consecutive years and one penalty-free transfer.
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Not sure what TT’s beef is because i believe the protect college sports act incorporates the three main points of his proposal.
 
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Question for those in the know. Isn’t the score act a win/win for Miami if it gets approved?

1. The B1G and SEC lose power to govern themselves and are forced to add teams sooner rather than later before it takes effect and then create their own league

2. If it is approved and the ACC/Big 12 remain intact, then the SEC/B1G have to share TV revenue with them.

3. If the Score Act is not approved then expansion happens by some time in 2028 or so any way.

Flugaur and Moen both believe Miami and Duke are the easiest additions of research, AAU, brand name recognition (Miami football/Duke basketball) and they are private schools with no state holding them back. Flugaur and Moen both don’t think FSU nor Clemson can be added yet, especially not Clemson.


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No GOP Congressman from a state with a member school from the B10 or SEC will support this as it currently stands even Cruz will relent and give up on some provisions of this or this won't pass. As it stands this won't pass. Tuberville is the first but won’t be the last to break ranks.

Miami isn’t in support of PCSA either. Miami is going with the B10 and SEC. This is all going according to what Jackie Sherrill said would happen. The best football schools are going their own way.
 
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