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Program Level of "Commitment"

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TheMainEvent said:
I know this is perhaps an unpopular topic, but I think it's the heart of the whole issue. Alabama has always done it under Saban and UGA and CU have recently followed suit since 2014. As I watch The Semenholes operate since the Norvell hire I really believe that modern college football requires so much money from administration and boosters, legitimate spending and even more so illegitimate, we are not willing - or perhaps more aptly - able to compete at that level. We simply do not have deep enough pockets to consistently win at 1. recruiting 2. facilities 3. coaching hires, etc. that we will forever be at such a disadvantage that hoping for more than a run to 10 wins every 3-5 years to unrealistic. As I said in the other thread, the return of a Terry/Wilson is eerily similiar to last years Lawrence/Wilkins, etc returns to Clemson that it tells me they have decided to go all in. I wish that we would or could as well. Thoughts?
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I agree with your point re; the amount of under the table money needed to win at the highest level has become untenable for most schools, especially UM. Joining the ACC created a level of economic stability for UM athletics that took away the need for on-field success as things were structured in our Big East contract. The goal for ACC football is to get as many teams as possible to 6 wins so as to maximize bowl revenue, which is then divided equally among ACC schools.

Its actually somewhat of a financial detriment for schools like Clemson to succeed. They spend to win, then when they win they have to share all of their bowl & playoff revenue with the rest of the ACC. Personally, I give credit to Clemson for still wanting to field a competitive team at the highest level.
 
SFbayCane said:
I agree with your point re; the amount of under the table money needed to win at the highest level has become untenable for most schools, especially UM. Joining the ACC created a level of economic stability for UM athletics that took away the need for on-field success as things were structured in our Big East contract. The goal for ACC football is to get as many teams as possible to 6 wins so as to maximize bowl revenue, which is then divided equally among ACC schools.

Its actually somewhat of a financial detriment for schools like Clemson to succeed. They spend to win, then when they win they have to share all of their bowl & playoff revenue with the rest of the ACC. Personally, I give credit to Clemson for still wanting to field a competitive team at the highest level.
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It seems like a year or 2 away, but will the projected ACC Network revenues actually be used to this end. Some schools will reinvest these funds into the program, others will pocket it. We should try to advocate that we are not the latter. Connecting with those decision makers politically might have some merit - such as building a group who would be willing tomatch those revenue figures from past alum and players which would only be given to the school should network revenue go directly into the program - under the table or over.
 
Simple. Money is not an issue.

The same poor Miami has 5 national championships and could have won several others. How many would they have if Butch never left or a real coach was hired over Coker....we probably are not even having this conversation.

Miami has plenty of money, they just lack conviction.
 
Thanks dou*her. Only using them as an example based on their movements since the recent hire. They were all too happy to let Dancin' Willie twist and burn. I'd be saying the same about Iowa if that was the case.
 
TheMainEvent said:
The point being what might compel a change in this direction. Have we thought about CiS creating a donation conduit to the program rather than years of "Fly the banner" fundraisers and Billboard ideas which make us look even worse?
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I do not share that opinion. UM management does not need to win on the field. What you are suggesting is nothing more than throwing good money after bad. Nothing will matter until cultural changes are made inside the UM Athletic department and Board of Trustees.

So now I ask you: How do we best change a culture of indifference from the outside? By giving our money to those who are indifferent or spending on ways to show the marketplace how indifferent the University management truly is?
 
Yes lets give these idiots more Money



Our problem has little to do with money....do you really think throwing more $$ at this current brain trust and staff would solve our problems?

It would just make Manny and Blake richer idiots still losing games

Our problem is simply making good decisions
 
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NE Canes said:
Simple. Money is not an issue.

The same poor Miami has 5 national championships and could have won several others. How many would they have if Butch never left or a real coach was hired over Coker....we probably are not even having this conversation.

Miami has plenty of money, they just lack conviction.
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I don't think this level of financial commitment has been in place since the mid-decade. Certainly not the early 2000's. Our 5 titles were built on somewhat of a competitive advantage geographically. It has now become a bidding war.
 
SFbayCane said:
I do not share that opinion. UM management does not need to win on the field. What you are suggesting is nothing more than throwing good money after bad. Nothing will matter until cultural changes are made inside the UM Athletic department and Board of Trustees.

So now I ask you: How do we best change a culture of indifference from the outside? By giving our money to those who are indifferent or spending on ways to show the marketplace how indifferent the University management truly is?
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It seems then that the prevailing opinion is that the BOT/Admin are actively sabotaging the program though. To what end? They make more money if the program does and is nationally relevant. I understand those that advocate staying home and not contributing, but that only continues the "die on the vine" trajectory that we are now seeing. this gets worse in the next 2 years if that's the case IMO and I don't know if we really recover for 4-5 win season(s)
 
TheMainEvent said:
I don't think this level of financial commitment has been in place since the mid-decade. Certainly not the early 2000's. Our 5 titles were built on somewhat of a competitive advantage geographically. It has now become a bidding war.
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The admin has never been financial committed to the football program. Every former great coach has said as much.

The geographically advantage only works if you are winning. After Howard no coach was going to keep FL kids with losing records.
 
TheMainEvent said:
It seems then that the prevailing opinion is that the BOT/Admin are actively sabotaging the program though. To what end?

I don't know if "actively sabotaging" is the best way to describe it. That said, its beyond clear that the administration has no interest in the football program being any better than a 6 win team. Just look at our last head coaching hire:


Blake James' highest paid direct report is the football coach (~$3-4 million a year salary). When Richt resigned, our AD conducted exactly ONE interview then offered the job to a guy with no prior head coaching experience on one day's notice. Then he went and paid a buyout to Temple to get the guy (who had never even coached a game at Temple). Does this appear to be an intentionally bad act or do you think Blake James is simply THAT INCOMPETENT.


They make more money if the program does and is nationally relevant.

Im not sure this is an accurate statement. Its my understanding that all sports revenue is divided equally among ACC schools. Financial success in the ACC is defined in the cumulative sense. The more teams that make bowls, the higher the revenue intake. Hence the need for 6 win programs.


I understand those that advocate staying home and not contributing, but that only continues the "die on the vine" trajectory that we are now seeing. this gets worse in the next 2 years if that's the case IMO and I don't know if we really recover for 4-5 win season(s)

* The fans did not extend Larry Coker well after it was evident that he was not the right man to move the program forward.
* The fans did not hire a guy with no head coaching experience and even less of a coaching network in Randy Shannon. I personally cannot fathom how anyone could have interviewed Randy Shannon and came away thinking he could lead a D1 caliber program.
* The fans did not extend Al Golden when it was beyond obvious that the guy was not a competent head coach.
* The fans did not hire Manny Diaz without even bothering to see who in the marketplace was also interested in the job.

The idea of dying on the vine isn't coming from a fan website. (what was that old *** movie where the police call the woman and tell her the criminal is calling from inside the house. (Alfred Hitchcock maybe??). You get the analogy. lol
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My comments inside your post in red
 
TheMainEvent said:
I know this is perhaps an unpopular topic, but I think it's the heart of the whole issue. Alabama has always done it under Saban and UGA and CU have recently followed suit since 2014. As I watch The Semenholes operate since the Norvell hire I really believe that modern college football requires so much money from administration and boosters, legitimate spending and even more so illegitimate, we are not willing - or perhaps more aptly - able to compete at that level. We simply do not have deep enough pockets to consistently win at 1. recruiting 2. facilities 3. coaching hires, etc. that we will forever be at such a disadvantage that hoping for more than a run to 10 wins every 3-5 years to unrealistic. As I said in the other thread, the return of a Terry/Wilson is eerily similiar to last years Lawrence/Wilkins, etc returns to Clemson that it tells me they have decided to go all in. I wish that we would or could as well. Thoughts?
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Miami has made it more complicated than it needs to be by distancing itself from the community, so while children do grow up Canes fan, we talking about the players not the school cause the school/administration has never been about the players. So that has always opened the door for others to come in especially after butch left, the football credibility part went in the toilet, so area coaches do what's best for their players and tell em straight up, man, dont go their and let them waist your talent or let them tell you, you can be the one to help turn it around and bring UM back, cause it has not happened. But when coach richt was here, he brought instant credibility back and like he kept saying, "we want this to be a place where the kids can come here and everything they can get anywhere else" coach richt was knocking out the disadvantages he knew UM had slowly but surely, just like he said when he was recruiting against UM he would tell the players "tell em to show you the dormitories" lol, it was that simple.

But look how coach richt got treated, this program has got to give these area coaches and players a reason to believe they can achieve anything they want to at UM, always understand, down here, we know football, the complaints people have on this board, has been known in the community, if UM wants to be able to land their fair share of the homegrown recruits, coach diaz better sit down with luke, coach fields cant save em, cause he's not connected like that, and coach diaz definitely is not!
 
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