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ball915

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There is no doubt how bad our QB play has been for the last 3 years under Jon and Mark Richt. Watching the Championship games this weekend something that became even more magnified is that who Perry/Rosier are/were throwing to is determined pre-snap regardless of circumstances. Watching Haskins, Murray, Tugovolia, Lawrence this weekend it was so clear that half of the reason they are successful is because they have the ability to find their second, third or even fourth read. How often do we see our QB's audible at the line of scrimmage? Rarely to never is the answer and those guys were doing it all weekend long as they identified defenses that our QB's are instructed to ignore and run the play regardless. (one of a few reasons why our completion percentage is so low) The Richt's have "dumbed it down" so much at that position that it's become counterproductive to our QB's. (part of me believes it's because Jon is that bad at his job and just doesn't know how to coach at all). Do we give our QB's the time those other programs mentioned? No because our OLine isn't as good but what's being taught just isn't working and needs to be adjusted to mask the inefficiencies instead of just trying to plow through what's not working because it has "for the last 30 years". Watch the Bowl Game and bump this thread.
 
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All the QBs of the teams you mention have tremendous offensive lines. I couldn't believe the time Murry have in the pocket in the big 12 title game. That being said all of them can create something from nothing especially outside the pocket.

Perry can play sandlot ball pretty well but our route tree and offensive line is so pathetic nobody can consistently get open. Defenses know what we are going to do before the ball is snapped. It's like being in a fight and the other person knowing exactly where your trying to hit them before you throw a punch.
 
firstandcanes said:
All the QBs of the teams you mention have tremendous offensive lines. I couldn't believe the time Murry have in the pocket in the big 12 title game. That being said all of them can create something from nothing especially outside the pocket.

Perry can play sandlot ball pretty well but our route tree and offensive line is so pathetic nobody can consistently get open. Defenses know what we are going to do before the ball is snapped. It's like being in a fight and the other person knowing exactly where your trying to hit them before you throw a punch.
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correct as I stated in my OP we don't have the same level of line and seeing Murray bouncing on his toes for 5 seconds looking in numerous directions was eyeopening . love your second paragraph as it's spot on. very well put
 
The OL is NOT good, but I wonder how much the playcalling and scheming are hurting them too.

When they know what’s coming pre snap, they don’t take that extra beat to read the play. How much would that extra beat help the QBs
 
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Watching Murray literally pointing to where he wanted his receivers to run to while standing in the pocket was equal parts shocking and amazing to watch.
 
The ball Perry threw to Jordan to beat FSU is what happens when you look off the safety and hit a secondary read or at the very least don't stare down your first read. Think that's the only time I saw him look off a safety all year.
 
They have Tua, Murray, Haskins and Lawrence... we had Rosier and Perry. There is a reason the offense was dumbed down. Our QBs can't hold a candle to any of those four. In fact the comparison is laughable. We had worst qb play in the entire country, bar none.
 
ball915 said:
There is no doubt how bad our QB play has been for the last 3 years under Jon and Mark Richt. Watching the Championship games this weekend something that became even more magnified is that who Perry/Rosier are/were throwing to is determined pre-snap regardless of circumstances. Watching Haskins, Murray, Tugovolia, Lawrence this weekend it was so clear that half of the reason they are successful is because they have the ability to find their second, third or even fourth read. How often do we see our QB's audible at the line of scrimmage? Rarely to never is the answer and those guys were doing it all weekend long as they identified defenses that our QB's are instructed to ignore and run the play regardless. (one of a few reasons why our completion percentage is so low) The Richt's have "dumbed it down" so much at that position that it's become counterproductive to our QB's. (part of me believes it's because Jon is that bad at his job and just doesn't know how to coach at all). Do we give our QB's the time those other programs mentioned? No because our OLine isn't as good but what's being taught just isn't working and needs to be adjusted to mask the inefficiencies instead of just trying to plow through what's not working because it has "for the last 30 years". Watch the Bowl Game and bump this thread.
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"part of me believes it's because Jon is that bad at his job and just doesn't know how to coach at all"

Trust your gut!
 
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firstandcanes said:
All the QBs of the teams you mention have tremendous offensive lines. I couldn't believe the time Murry have in the pocket in the big 12 title game. That being said all of them can create something from nothing especially outside the pocket.

Perry can play sandlot ball pretty well but our route tree and offensive line is so pathetic nobody can consistently get open. Defenses know what we are going to do before the ball is snapped. It's like being in a fight and the other person knowing exactly where your trying to hit them before you throw a punch.
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I did watch a bit of that Big 12 game and both those QBs had time you wouldn't have in other conferences who play D.
 
supersaiyanshel said:
There's nothing wrong with pre-determined reads if your routes and plays aren't predictable.
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Agreed.

Predetermined reads for a young QB are fine. But, as others have said, the play calling is predictable, the defense knows whats coming, the routes are awful for a young QB and poor OL.

The OL for these teams are great and we all love to have them but it would only help so much here. Both Rosier and Perry should have been given multiple easy options on nearly every play. High/lows, levels, etc. And for God's sake more than a few crossing patterns. Richt also seems to never teach them how to dump it off to the RB either. When he does not have them in blocking, Richt usually just sends the RB out to the flat on the opposite side of the field and the QBs never look over there or they have to throw the ball 20 yards to a RB that should be just a few yards away.

Richt just made things a hundred times more difficult for the QBs and OL. Some very good coaches literally call the same plays over an over but the QB understands every option with two sometimes three WR on the same side of the field.

Has he ever even considered creating a match up problem? Just imagine if some of these defenses actually had to adjust because Homer or DJ were toasting their LB match up. Or if a WR was going in motion into a quick crossing pattern.

There are a hundred different ways Richt could have went with these his QBs and OL and he chose his outdated, unoriginal scheme. He did not change until he was forced to and probably will revert back the minute he has a healthy TE.
 
I remember after Savannah State and Perry threw that INT, Richt said in the postgame comments that it was his fault because he told him to look that way and it would be there (or something to that effect).

At the time I thought it was just a coach sticking up for his young QB but now we all know Morks personality.

Is it possible he’s telling the QBs what he thinks will be open and that’s what the QBs are following?
 
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