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The Franchise said:
I’m not saying it’s an experience thing; I’m saying it’s a typical problem for the vast majority of college QBs. There are plenty of experienced QBs who struggle with the same stuff.

Excelling in shorts versus excelling during games are two completely different worlds which is why there are a ton of highly recruited QBs but only a tiny handful of elite QBs on the field.
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No disagreement, that’s correct.

In college, there’s a lot of first look then throw/don’t throw, then run, or sometimes go to a second receiver. There’s very little complex defense reading by the vast majority of the quarterbacks. I agree with that.

I only mentioned experience because the whole concept of reading defenses was brought up, and experience might be a bonus in reading them. That’s something a true freshman won’t even have.

Everything else being equal, assuming two people have the same talent for reading defenses, the redshirt freshman will read a defense better than the true freshman. Again, assuming that they have the same “reading defense talent”, then the experience helps.

But is it something that you see in abundance of in college? You’re absolutely right, **** no. Defenses are being read up in the booth, and on the field by the defensive coaches. Very very few college quarterbacks are scanning the field and reading defenses.
 
OriginalCanesCanesCanes said:
No disagreement, that’s correct.

In college, there’s a lot of first look then throw/don’t throw, then run, or sometimes go to a second receiver. There’s very little complex defense reading by the vast majority of the quarterbacks. I agree with that.

I only mentioned experience because the whole concept of reading defenses was brought up, and experience might be a bonus in reading them. That’s something a true freshman won’t even have.

Everything else being equal, assuming two people have the same talent for reading defenses, the redshirt freshman will read a defense better than the true freshman. Again, assuming that they have the same “reading defense talent”, then the experience helps.

But is it something that you see in abundance of in college? You’re absolutely right, **** no. Defenses are being read up in the booth, and on the field by the defensive coaches. Very very few college quarterbacks are scanning the field and reading defenses.
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There's emerging science behind this topic around QB cognition. It'll be interesting to see what develops the next half decade.

It's really a path dependent situation. Decision-making skills are two-fold - reading defenses to decide where to throw, yes. But also, and separately, understanding pressure and when to change plans. If you stand too long reading the D, you may eat grass. If you bail too early, different issue. So there's a dual process going on of read and think, and sense and change plans. Humans need to follow a logic thread, so it's extremely hard to simultaneously plan to pass downfield and process the change of plan decision logic. That's the breaking point where a QB has to chose path, not just receiver. It's relevant because fractions of a second matter a lot in this dynamic.

Experience reading D absolutely helps. It can help make that decision quicker, which means you get the throw in before the plan had to change. Or got to your third progression faster, same point. But experience with understanding when to pack it in or stick it out also matters, as well as what to do if you have to change plans. The same half second from knowing better whether the route will work or the DE will get to you, that too helps the outcome probabilities. Once you decide to change plans, it's a whole nother skill set. Feet, legs, then run or throw on the run.

There are QBs who are good at one part of this or another. Their coaches can help by maximizing the opportunities to do the thing they're better at doing. It's not always fixable. Kyle Wright wasn't bad at throwing, and probably not worse than everyone at reading. But he was terrible at what to do when plan changing became an issue. He packed it in fast and couldn't recover.

Coaches traditionally spend time trying to talk and explain as if you think vs. react out there, and if someone didn't learn they'd blame study or learning vs. other factors. Modern virtual reality simulations can run you through real time decision-making in a totally different way, and teach / train QBs to feel and react rather than 'think.' I believe Stanford has been using some of this and probably other schools for a few years now.

If you go back to the Gladwell book Blink, the challenge for QBs is that it's possible to both choke and panic on the same play. The remedies for those failures are totally different.
 
Everything about playing qb at a high level revolves around the ability to process information incredibly quickly and calmly while under incredible duress and in pressure situations while being accurate with the football.

That’s why dycking around in gym shorts with no band playing and no one bearing down on you to take your head off has almost no correlation to what happens in games. Yeah it’s nice to be mobile and have a strong arm and look pretty flitting around in shorts playing tag, but it tells you nothing of how a guy will react in real games.
 
The Franchise said:
Everything about playing qb at a high level revolves around the ability to process information incredibly quickly and calmly while under incredible duress and in pressure situations while being accurate with the football.

That’s why dycking around in gym shorts with no band playing and no one bearing down on you to take your head off has almost no correlation to what happens in games. Yeah it’s nice to be mobile and have a strong arm and look pretty flitting around in shorts playing tag, but it tells you nothing of how a guy will react in real games.
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Pretty much what you were saying about Pickowski - dude couldn’t process things in real time with bullets flying at him.
 
RVACane said:
Pretty much what you were saying about Pickowski - dude couldn’t process things in real time with bullets flying at him.
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In fairness to others who disliked him as a prospect for different reasons, allow me to interject: Art didn't look smooth throwing the ball in shorts. Forget 7-7, he looked unnatural in drills, IMO. Like Ivan Drago trying to play QB after being handed a football the day before. Good enough to look sorta almost credible, but not good enough to look good.
 
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Ethnicsands said:
In fairness to others who disliked him as a prospect for different reasons, allow me to interject: Art didn't look smooth throwing the ball in shorts. Forget 7-7, he looked unnatural in drills, IMO. Like Ivan Drago trying to play QB after being handed a football the day before. Good enough to look sorta almost credible, but not good enough to look good.
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I’ll take your word for it for sure. I know it didn’t get better with defenders coming at him. Was he a Jorn Richt special?
 
RVACane said:
I’ll take your word for it for sure. I know it didn’t get better with defenders coming at him. Was he a Jorn Richt special?
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I have no idea why Richt Sr. liked him, but I can't blame Jr. The 'QB whisperer' should have known better. Maybe he wanted to believe his son over his eyes, but I really can't process how anyone could have thought he was some great prospect.

When you watched him, he was tall, good arm, semi-ok mechanics, some okay footwork -- it's like a chinese bot hacked the program and figured out how to program a fake QB, and got it sort of right. Except ... nah. You could see it looked not right, and that was without defenders. Slow to make choices, didn't have any feel for offense, pocket, receivers. IMO.

I suspect Richt figured his short history at the position meant he'd be coachable. I also think it was a good example of Richt's arrogance - he thought he was smarter and knew better, and this one became so obvious he had to cut his losses.

For all the 'trust the coaches' guys out there, plenty of folks on this board were not pleased when we took Sit's commitment and more became concerned over time. It took ages for Richt to cut bait. If the 'QB whisperer' couldn't see what was obvious to fans, well, it was a good lesson in 'don't just trust the corches.'
 
GladeCane said:
TVD was a 3 star who got a bump to 4 star when signing with UM Garcia was a 5 star who was lowered to 4 star due to all the transfer mess. When Garcia went to Georgia with two different HS teams he blew all the coaches and players away. TVD got only 2 minutes of playing time all year and looked bad.
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You need to change your name to GladeGaytor and start posting on the Gaytor boards. Your ability to selectively choose when to upgrade or downgrade any recruit just to make your retarded argument is positively Gaytor-like.
 
Hoyacane1620 said:
Did you watch the interviews yesterday? How can you say the "players aren't saying that about TVD?" I didn't hear Garcia's name mentioned once.

The kids in the 2021 class have more familiarity with Jake so of course they will speak about him.
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GladeCane "reads between the lines". That means, when there are lines of praise for TVD, he just reads the blank spaces between the lines.
 
GladeCane said:
Bad comppetition in HS, not a lot of top offers until UM came along, Lashlee wouldn't put him in a game except for the 3 snaps he got where he looked bad.
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TVD was the third-stringer and Miami didn't have many blow-out wins. But, sure, you have alllll the answers.
 
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The Franchise said:
Based on pure conjecture. He’s playing the odds because that’s what the great majority of college QBs who aren’t superstars struggle with.

If Van ******* is like 80% of college QBs that’s what he’ll struggle with, and Glades will declare himself a seer and soothsayer and the gloids on here will start the hero worship process.
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Back in the days when FNN was the only financial news channel and the internet was still an academic tool, I was talking with my father about some expert they were interviewing who had a dire prediction about the market. He said there is no real downside for predicting failure. If you're wrong, it just hasn't happened yet or some condition changed. If you end up being right, you charge a fortune for your newsletter and get hundreds of new subscriptions. In either case, your advice is worthless because you really don't know what you're talking about.

In any case, I won't be subscribing to Glade's newsletter.
 
GladeCane said:
Bad comppetition in HS, not a lot of top offers until UM came along, Lashlee wouldn't put him in a game except for the 3 snaps he got where he looked bad.
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He had two positive COVID tests during the season so without even factoring how he felt physically, he was probably unavailable for a huge chunk of games.

But you keep this going. You’re doing fine.
 
RVACane said:
Yeah @TheOriginalCane started out the New Year with that as a resolution - “l’m all about Peace and Love in 2021” - and i don’t think he got into February before it was done. Some random poRster misstated how IC’s work and that was that.
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I'm still all about peace and love. Doesn't mean I can't comment on idiotic posts. I still have no warnings, no violation points, so I'm walking with God.

Is it my fault that WrongSaidFred doesn't know the meaning of the word "table"?
 
Cribby said:
Same thing I was thinking reading this thread lol, I’m just shaking my head thinking “come on guys, you’re smarter than this”
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I hear ya. But if the alternative is "let mopes post unrebutted slander", I'm not sure if I'm down with that either.
 
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