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DMoney said:
He has shut down games, too. His problem is that the bad moments are so frustrating. I also think it's a confidence issue. Ivey had ball skills in HS but they haven't translated.

One of the reason the coaches (including TRob) like Ivey so much is that he is a giant corner. There are tools there. Whether he can actually become an above-average CB remains to be seen. Time is running out.
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A giant corner we don’t let jam consistently enough to get a groove.

I could be wrong, but I think it would help the bigger guys overcome their speed issues if we had them jamming guys up instead of trying to shadow so much.

When you don’t do it enough, it looks bad when you do. We have to COMMIT to the styles that fit our guy’s attributes best, even if we take our lumps early.
 
DMoney said:
I'll focus on the defense because that's where he's been most involved:



Rousseau played over Patchan, which caused Patchan to transfer. The only reason Rousseau didn't start the first game is because he had battled an injury in camp.



Hall played much more than Knowles. He was our second-leading tackler. Frierson does not play safety.



Bethel played because he was better at that time. Note that our rushing defense dropped from 21st to 75th when he left. We could've used his discipline against UNC.



Brooks has played much more than Ragone. Unfortunately, he has battled injuries and has not performed particularly well. Huff is struggling to pick up the defense, which is why he got passed so quickly by Flagg.

This is a bad recruiting issue, not a seniority issue.



See above. Flagg also played a lot despite no offseason and catching COVID in the middle of the season.



Blades and Ivey weren't Day 1 starter talents. Note that Couch beat out the more-senior Blades last year.



JHH was starting (as a RS-freshman) when he got hurt, despite still being raw.



Hall plays more snaps than any safety. Harrell just got moved to CB because he wasn't playing that well. Balom is a three-star true freshman in a COVID year who still got meaningful snaps.

IMO, most of the frustration comes from bad recruiting, not seniority. We need to keep recruiting better young players. A full offseason should also help.
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Still catching up on 12 pages here, but had to stop at Patchan starting over Rousseau. That wasn’t for one game D! He was starting til like game 5 or 6. Explain dat!
 
Allabouttheu95 said:
How many times have we seen him get dragged over the years. I’m rooting for the guy, hope he turns into a 1st AA. I just don’t see how he’s going to hold up in run game based on what we’ve all seen from him.
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I expect him to be beefed up 15 lbs or more by Alabama. The key will be does he keep his athleticism. He can contribute If he does.
 
DTP said:
Jennings won’t see the field unless it’s to spell Flagg. Brooks will probably end up starting at Will and looking lost all the time but I guess anything is better than the BJ/ MCCloud combo from last year.
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Agreed. Flagg is going to run with the MLB spot. Jennings will be his backup. And Brooks will get the WLB spot.

The biggest problem last year was trotting out both Jennings and McCloud at the same **** time. Both are slow footed thumper types, but you make things so much worse playing them together. They are almost one and the same so Baker should have paired them with speedier LBs to offset their weaknesses.

Putting those two on the field at the same time allowed offenses to gash our second level constantly.
 
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The Sphinx said:
Agreed. Flagg is going to run with the MLB spot. Jennings will be his backup. And Brooks will get the WLB spot.

The biggest problem last year was trotting out both Jennings and McCloud at the same **** time. Both are slow footed thumper types, but you make things so much worse playing them together. They are almost one and the same so Baker should have paired them with speedier LBs to offset their weaknesses.

Putting those two on the field at the same time allowed offenses to gash our second level constantly.
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Some teams have a nascar package, we have a county fair bumper cars package.
 
nvlahos said:
I think the CIS Recruiting board is the main reason for "the fans" unrealistic expectations for guys we land. We have a board full of SoFla insiders who hype up local guys and recruits 24/7
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Lofty expectations only become excuse because Miami never develops their highly ranked players.

At every other winning program in D1 football they take their high 4/5-star players & turn them into 1st round draft picks, at Miami they have to sit on the bench for 4 & half years before they can be expected to contribute.

That’s the disconnect. At schools like Clemson, OH St, Oklahoma, Bama, LSU, Auburn, UGA, Texas, TAMU, USC even Oregon for God’s sake takes kids like we’ve signed over the last few classes & turn them into NFL players & it doesn’t take 5 years for them to see the field, they play TF’s all over their team on both sides of the ball.

The truth is, Miami has been sold a bill of goods that it takes 10 gestational periods before a player can ever see the field in anything more than 3rd teams reps. Elias Ricks was starting TRUE FRESHMAN All-American last year, he showed up to campus at LSU & already played better than Ivey has in 3 years, same thing with Derek Stingley, he started asa TF at LSU & was immediately dominant as a corner, same with Tony Grimes at UNC, meanwhile Miami still hasn’t figured out that they have a LB playing Boundary corner, but because ‘hE lOoKs gOoD iN pRaCtiCe bRo!” He gets to start for his entire career despite how awful he’s been.

Yall get mad at people who tell the truth because yall want everyone to run spin jobs & make a litany of excuses, but the reality is, these eLitE upperclassmen yall are so attached to make more mistakes than any young player could ever imagine, but because they supposedly know how to get lined up correctly yall just whip your memories clean & pretend like they’re all of the sudden going to transform into a player they’re not.

A guy who’s been here for years but has never played well is who yall bet the house on at multiple positions, then when they get out there & keep making the same mistakes they’ve made since they first started playing yall act all shocked & surprised lol.
 
cway313 said:
I'm not telling you sht but if your head hasn't been in your *** the last 6 months you've seen our insiders say Likens didn't have final say already.
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Like who?

What you’re telling me is that Manny loves upperclassmen so much, that he is overriding Lashlee and Likens?

Or maybe the reality is, that those guys are the ones that are putting Wiggins and Pope out there continually, because Manny lets them run the offense. Like most logical people would think.

I’m not excusing Manny for anything else, and this isn’t a defense of him, but you guys come up with the stupidest shlt.

That makes no sense, a HC who struggling, supposedly a “specialist“ on defense, and he’s also telling people like Lashlee and Likens who to start at wide receiver.
 
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OrangeBowlMagic said:
I'll bet you a cold beer that DJ Ivey does not start at corner and Jamal Carter does not start at Safety.

Meaningful snaps? We'll see. But those kids don't take snap 1 vs Bama, and to be totally frank I'd be pretty surprised if they play a ton of snaps, barring injuries/suspensions/Covid, whatever.

Jennings and McCloud would be a little hairier to me, because I don't think the kids behind Jennings are especially excellent and McCloud is 400 years old. I know both kids will play, but Jennings might start, IMO there's no way McCloud starts on the edge. Maybe if we didn't sign Deandre Johnson, but he's gonna play 1 spot and McCloud won't beat out the rest of the bunch for the other spot.

I cannot even tell you how disappointed I'll be to see Ivey, Carter, or McCloud start and play a large percentage of snaps to start the year off. I hope you're way wrong. We shall see.
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Guarantee 100,000,000,000% Ivey will start.

I’m just looking forward to all the excuses people will make when he gets torched.
 
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(Prunty had 10 PBU’s as a TF).






TRUE FRESHMAN CB’s, every single one of them played better than Ivey & they were only 18 years old...

But you guys are right, lets just keep playing Ivey because eventually the light will come on right???? Hopefully he comes back for another 3 years then he’ll finally reach his potential! Seniority supersedes all always!
 
Liberty City El said:
Lofty expectations only become excuse because Miami never develops their highly ranked players.

At every other winning program in D1 football they take their high 4/5-star players & turn them into 1st round draft picks, at Miami they have to sit on the bench for 4 & half years before they can be expected to contribute.

That’s the disconnect. At schools like Clemson, OH St, Oklahoma, Bama, LSU, Auburn, UGA, Texas, TAMU, USC even Oregon for God’s sake takes kids like we’ve signed over the last few classes & turn them into NFL players & it doesn’t take 5 years for them to see the field, they play TF’s all over their team on both sides of the ball.

The truth is, Miami has been sold a bill of goods that it takes 10 gestational periods before a player can ever see the field in anything more than 3rd teams reps. Elias Ricks was starting TRUE FRESHMAN All-American last year, he showed up to campus at LSU & already played better than Ivey has in 3 years, same thing with Derek Stingley, he started asa TF at LSU & was immediately dominant as a corner, same with Tony Grimes at UNC, meanwhile Miami still hasn’t figured out that they have a LB playing Boundary corner, but because ‘hE lOoKs gOoD iN pRaCtiCe bRo!” He gets to start for his entire career despite how awful he’s been.

Yall get mad at people who tell the truth because yall want everyone to run spin jobs & make a litany of excuses, but the reality is, these eLitE upperclassmen yall are so attached to make more mistakes than any young player could ever imagine, but because they supposedly know how to get lined up correctly yall just whip your memories clean & pretend like they’re all of the sudden going to transform into a player they’re not.

A guy who’s been here for years but has never played well is who yall bet the house on at multiple positions, then when they get out there & keep making the same mistakes they’ve made since they first started playing yall act all shocked & surprised lol.
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You just named 3 of the top CBs (all 5 Stars) in the county coming out of HS

Comparing them to Ivey (3 Star) is just unfair, who wasn’t even a top 3 corner in SoFla for his class.

But we had guys in SoFla like Duasso, or whoever calling him the next Antrel Rolle before he even showed up to Miami or Mark Pope being the next Santana Moss

And unfortunately that’s what we expect as fans cause it’s pumped into us by the local coaches and insiders
 
Liberty City El said:
Lofty expectations only become excuse because Miami never develops their highly ranked players.

At every other winning program in D1 football they take their high 4/5-star players & turn them into 1st round draft picks, at Miami they have to sit on the bench for 4 & half years before they can be expected to contribute.

That’s the disconnect. At schools like Clemson, OH St, Oklahoma, Bama, LSU, Auburn, UGA, Texas, TAMU, USC even Oregon for God’s sake takes kids like we’ve signed over the last few classes & turn them into NFL players & it doesn’t take 5 years for them to see the field, they play TF’s all over their team on both sides of the ball.

The truth is, Miami has been sold a bill of goods that it takes 10 gestational periods before a player can ever see the field in anything more than 3rd teams reps. Elias Ricks was starting TRUE FRESHMAN All-American last year, he showed up to campus at LSU & already played better than Ivey has in 3 years, same thing with Derek Stingley, he started asa TF at LSU & was immediately dominant as a corner, same with Tony Grimes at UNC, meanwhile Miami still hasn’t figured out that they have a LB playing Boundary corner, but because ‘hE lOoKs gOoD iN pRaCtiCe bRo!” He gets to start for his entire career despite how awful he’s been.

Yall get mad at people who tell the truth because yall want everyone to run spin jobs & make a litany of excuses, but the reality is, these eLitE upperclassmen yall are so attached to make more mistakes than any young player could ever imagine, but because they supposedly know how to get lined up correctly yall just whip your memories clean & pretend like they’re all of the sudden going to transform into a player they’re not.

A guy who’s been here for years but has never played well is who yall bet the house on at multiple positions, then when they get out there & keep making the same mistakes they’ve made since they first started playing yall act all shocked & surprised lol.
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-Kayshon Boutte/True Frosh WR

-Marvin Mims/True Frosh WR (took Rambo’s spot)

-Myles Murphy/True Frosh DE

-Will Anderson Jr/True Frosh LB

-Noah Sewell/True Frosh LB

-Eli Ricks/True Frosh CB

-Malachi Moore/True Frosh S

-Patrick Surtain/True Frosh CB

-Emmanuel Forbes/True Frosh CB

-Khari Coleman/True Frosh DE

-Tony Grimes (who should’ve been in HS last season/True Frosh CB

-Micah Parsons/True Frosh LB/DE

-Sam Howell/True Frosh QB

Man, I’m just going off the dome right now....can’t even fathom going back further in my brain to call out all the true freshman that have started, stayed for 3 yrs, and then became a high draft pick.

Is it ideal? No; but this notion about kids not being able to play until yr 3, is foolish, and is an excuse to the ongoings here. Ppl live in this O&G bubble, so they speak on things from Miami lens, not realizing that CFB have evolved where these highly ranked kids come in ready to play..............except here, for some odd reason.
 
Liberty City El said:
Lofty expectations only become excuse because Miami never develops their highly ranked players.

At every other winning program in D1 football they take their high 4/5-star players & turn them into 1st round draft picks, at Miami they have to sit on the bench for 4 & half years before they can be expected to contribute.

That’s the disconnect. At schools like Clemson, OH St, Oklahoma, Bama, LSU, Auburn, UGA, Texas, TAMU, USC even Oregon for God’s sake takes kids like we’ve signed over the last few classes & turn them into NFL players & it doesn’t take 5 years for them to see the field, they play TF’s all over their team on both sides of the ball.

The truth is, Miami has been sold a bill of goods that it takes 10 gestational periods before a player can ever see the field in anything more than 3rd teams reps. Elias Ricks was starting TRUE FRESHMAN All-American last year, he showed up to campus at LSU & already played better than Ivey has in 3 years, same thing with Derek Stingley, he started asa TF at LSU & was immediately dominant as a corner, same with Tony Grimes at UNC, meanwhile Miami still hasn’t figured out that they have a LB playing Boundary corner, but because ‘hE lOoKs gOoD iN pRaCtiCe bRo!” He gets to start for his entire career despite how awful he’s been.

Yall get mad at people who tell the truth because yall want everyone to run spin jobs & make a litany of excuses, but the reality is, these eLitE upperclassmen yall are so attached to make more mistakes than any young player could ever imagine, but because they supposedly know how to get lined up correctly yall just whip your memories clean & pretend like they’re all of the sudden going to transform into a player they’re not.

A guy who’s been here for years but has never played well is who yall bet the house on at multiple positions, then when they get out there & keep making the same mistakes they’ve made since they first started playing yall act all shocked & surprised lol.
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this post is about 10 years too late, but yeah
 
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