Spring PractiSe #3: Friday March 8

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What positions/groups would u consider holes? I have my suspicions, but I'd rather not jump straight into an argument with the sunshine pumpers by pointing them out.
To qualify that statement I'll clarify when I say a hole (other than at corner)it's just a matter of youth and inexperience. For instance to start the season I'd say we have holes on the dline. By mid season we'll see tons of progress because Scott and Jones ALREADY HAVE COLLEGE READY SIZE. But to start the season we're gonna be really dependent on health and our transfer tackles. I consider that a hole. Db in general is same situation. Powell we've gone back and forth on what position he'll start at. Brown I think eventually will be a monster. Same as Patterson. But it's not right now where it needs to be. I'm more concerned with safety this entire season than I am at any other position. This carpenter kid has had health issues previously. I'm not crazy about our depth on the interior of the oline in general and even less so at center. Tight end I came into this camp with alot of concern over. Mainly because Arroyo is always hurt and Riley really showed me nothing positive last year. But Riley does look more engaged so far and lofton REALLY impresses me. We're just depending on alot of youth. The beautiful thing is our youth are tons of studs.
 
I don’t think you’re wrong but also I don’t see an issue with this though. Pay 2 mill for an elite high school recruit or a proven upper classmen?

If the right situation pops up there’s always exceptions of course but just look around at the 5 star QBs bolting immediately. Really strange times
Yeah they're bolting because of exactly what your explaining. Either a money grab or running from the competition. If I had to bet I'd say worst case this time next year Julian sayin is no longer at osu and Moore wouldn't surprise me if he bounces again either.
 
Yeah they're bolting because of exactly what your explaining. Either a money grab or running from the competition. If I had to bet I'd say worst case this time next year Julian sayin is no longer at osu and Moore wouldn't surprise me if he bounces again either.
Yeah I’ll never tell someone I think they’re wrong for wanting 5 star elite high school QBs. I mean of course. It’s a strange market though for sure.

All things considered, given how much we’ve struggled on the field, I couldn’t be happier with our QB room this year. Feels like the position will be a year to year thing for most teams
 
Yeah everything we have heard is he is working his *** off… if a dude needs to be motivated to get out there and outwork someone then they need someone out there in front of them every day. I don’t care if it’s on the field in the weight room or in the class or what. If those dudes were killing it as the coaches expect they wouldn’t be behind anyone.

Amazing.

Simply amazing.
 
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To qualify that statement I'll clarify when I say a hole (other than at corner)it's just a matter of youth and inexperience. For instance to start the season I'd say we have holes on the dline. By mid season we'll see tons of progress because Scott and Jones ALREADY HAVE COLLEGE READY SIZE. But to start the season we're gonna be really dependent on health and our transfer tackles. I consider that a hole. Db in general is same situation. Powell we've gone back and forth on what position he'll start at. Brown I think eventually will be a monster. Same as Patterson. But it's not right now where it needs to be. I'm more concerned with safety this entire season than I am at any other position. This carpenter kid has had health issues previously. I'm not crazy about our depth on the interior of the oline in general and even less so at center. Tight end I came into this camp with alot of concern over. Mainly because Arroyo is always hurt and Riley really showed me nothing positive last year. But Riley does look more engaged so far and lofton REALLY impresses me. We're just depending on alot of youth. The beautiful thing is our youth are tons of studs.
This is exactly where I'm at too.

Not as concerned with TE as much now because Arroyo is healthy and Lofton appears to be the real deal.

Not crazy about depth on interior O-line, specifically C. I think the drop off from Lee to Carpenter is pretty big. Lee was pretty **** good in pass protection. The drop off from Carpenter to whoever is behind him is even bigger though.

CB depth looks a little thin even with everyone healthy. Safety is a problem though. I don't feel good about it at all. Patterson will be great, he just needs time. But until then? If Powell is starting at safety out of necessity, it creates depth problems elsewhere.

How you feeling about RB depth after Fletcher?

If they have the spots to add anyone post spring, you think secondary is where it would be?
 
Yeah I’ll never tell someone I think they’re wrong for wanting 5 star elite high school QBs. I mean of course. It’s a strange market though for sure.

All things considered, given how much we’ve struggled on the field, I couldn’t be happier with our QB room this year. Feels like the position will be a year to year thing for most teams
Key is to realize, like you said it'll be that way at EVERY POSITION for most teams. We are witnessing free agency in its most distorted form. This is what fans wanted and until there's serious regulations in place for the portal and nil, this is what we got. Year to year any team can completely flip. Remember when I told yall this time last season bama was falling apart & everyone said their just rebuilding. How did that work out? Unless a team is all in yearly on its roster than nothing is a given any longer.
 
How do you feel it shows us that? He has already shown us he rejects running packages and at best he is the #3 qb. When do you feel he's gonna have an opportunity to show this growth? If he does get that chance I'd venture to say we're ****ed. More than likely that would mean we had some significant injury concerns.
In practice
 
This is exactly where I'm at too.

Not as concerned with TE as much now because Arroyo is healthy and Lofton appears to be the real deal.

Not crazy about depth on interior O-line, specifically C. I think the drop off from Lee to Carpenter is pretty big. Lee was pretty **** good in pass protection. The drop off from Carpenter to whoever is behind him is even bigger though.

CB depth looks a little thin even with everyone healthy. Safety is a problem though. I don't feel good about it at all. Patterson will be great, he just needs time. But until then? If Powell is starting at safety out of necessity, it creates depth problems elsewhere.

How you feeling about RB depth after Fletcher?

If they have the spots to add anyone post spring, you think secondary is where it would be?
I'm not worried about running back. We do have to be careful with devoting too many numbers to undersized speed backs. Biggest factor this year at rb is how does fletch come back & just as importantly when from lis franc. That injury can seriously linger if not given enough time. Citizen is fully healed and he seems to be embracing the work and has learned his lesson from the kiddie games. That is huge for us if he stays healthy. He's a 3 down back far more than anyone else on the squad. Lyle probably being the closest if he's what he's been forecast as. The rest I agree. Cb we have two front line corners in brown and Stafford. But they need time. Harris and powell are best options at safety to start the season cause at this point we don't know what zaquan is gonna turn into physically. We don't need to feature anymore safeties primarily in the box. That's all I care about.
 
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In practice
In season the #3 or #4 qb get very few reps. He may run scout team. But not likely cause his skill set doesn't really match the skill sets of any qbs were gonna be playing outside of possibly VA tech off the top of my head. So he's not gonna have many chances to show that
 
Amazing.

Simply amazing.know how these guys are doing in the weight program in the nutrition program in class in the film room… nah you know you don’t… also there are hundreds of stories about guys taking spots in the mythical spring depth chart because of exactly those things and nothing else. It’s done for a reason… your literally acting like Lou is going to start and then saying things like amazing…

Amazing.

Simpl

Amazing.

Simply amazing.
Do you know how these guys are doing in the weight program? in the nutrition program? in class in the film room? nah you know you don’t… also there are hundreds of stories about guys taking spots in the mythical spring depth chart because of exactly those things and nothing else. It’s done for a reason… you’re literally acting like Lou is going to start and then saying things like amazing when dudes call you on it.
 
You guys have to understand what a college qb is asked to be for a evenly developed squad. #1 the only one who has the potential to be a step up from Cam would be nickel if he continues to progress. But obviously that's impossible to say as he's still a high school senior and hasn't seen anything yet of what's to come. But we don't need someone to be at cams level. Cam is the perfect qb for THIS squad because we still have our share of holes throughout. Because of that factor we need a qb who can carry us with high level play. Think of all the qbs who excelled in college only to prove to be very basic at the next level. Mac Jones for God's sake was a first round, playoff qb at this level. So when we look at what we want out of the position, understand that what we want is someone who isn't a liability first and foremost. If you're capable of getting the ball in your playmakers hands and limiting the negatives throughout then we'll be fine. That's how you win in playoff football.
I hear that. I just look at the clemson model and think think that's the model to follow. You don't need to stack up talent level wise across the board or with depth but you need a special qb that's a difference maker and can win games you shouldn't. To me that's our fastest way to the top but if Mario can continue to get and stack gobs of elite talent a game manager might be all we need. appreciate the different perspective!
 
I don’t think you’re wrong but also I don’t see an issue with this though. Pay 2 mill for an elite high school recruit or a proven upper classmen?

If the right situation pops up there’s always exceptions of course but just look around at the 5 star QBs bolting immediately. Really strange times
Yeah it's damned if you do damned if you don't. It would be nice to not need the portal to restock or upgrade. Hopefully something happens where hs kids stick around for a minute.. whether it be a one time only free transfer or an end loaded NIL deal..something. In a perfect world I'd like to see a team full of developed hs talent and only a few portal guys to fill holes or provide a gap filler when you're talent isn't quite ready. At this point I don't think we're quite there with developed hs talent so I think we'll be back in the portal for qb talent. Things change tho and I'll flow with it either way.
 
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Yeah I’ll never tell someone I think they’re wrong for wanting 5 star elite high school QBs. I mean of course. It’s a strange market though for sure.

All things considered, given how much we’ve struggled on the field, I couldn’t be happier with our QB room this year. Feels like the position will be a year to year thing for most teams
I'm just saying I'd like to be a 5 star qb destination because of our offense and not because of NIL. Come to Miami cause you'll get developed and put up gaudy numbers .. best path into the league so to speak. I think at this point qb's are looking here for NIL.. hopefully that'll change soon.
 
I hear that. I just look at the clemson model and think think that's the model to follow. You don't need to stack up talent level wise across the board or with depth but you need a special qb that's a difference maker and can win games you shouldn't. To me that's our fastest way to the top but if Mario can continue to get and stack gobs of elite talent a game manager might be all we need. appreciate the different perspective!
You think qb play is why Clemson was able to win? Clemson won because of superior dline play and a physical oline capable of moving the chains. Only difference maker they had at qb was sunshine. Maybe you could say Watson but I wouldn't. Games aren't won or lost typically by skill position players(that happens when the decks are evenly stacked)what separates the boys from the men begins and ends with oline & dline play. Qbs very rarely do you have a DOMINANT TEAM with a dominant qb. Because a coach wants to limit his risk. It's fans who want to see the highlights etc. Coaches simply want to win the simplest way possible. 9 out of 10 the teams that have those really high level qbs need that level of play out of them because they lack elsewhere.
 
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I hear that. I just look at the clemson model and think think that's the model to follow. You don't need to stack up talent level wise across the board or with depth but you need a special qb that's a difference maker and can win games you shouldn't. To me that's our fastest way to the top but if Mario can continue to get and stack gobs of elite talent a game manager might be all we need. appreciate the different perspective!
It's definitely our fastest way. But that's because as a squad we still aren't a finished product. We have issues. You get around those issues by having high level qb play. It makes up for the deficiencies. But long term it's not sustainable. Look at all of the schools who prove this model annually. Georgia basic qb play,bama basic qb play,osu basic qb play and on and on. Opposite side of the coin lsu had a trash defense, jayden Daniel's played out of this world. Washington basic d, penix played out of this world. Bo nix at auburn was asked to carry the team. He was expected to be a 5 star qb. He was viewed as a jag cause that ain't him. Now bring him to Oregon and control the expectations. Make his route tree more qb friendly high percentage throws so he can find comfort. What does Oregon do by dialing him back? They Excell. More often than not that's the recipe for success.
 
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You think qb play is why Clemson was able to win? Clemson won because of superior dline play and a physical oline capable of moving the chains. Only difference maker they had at qb was sunshine. Maybe you could say Watson but I wouldn't. Games aren't won or lost typically by skill position players(that happens when the decks are evenly stacked)what separates the boys from the men begins and ends with oline & dline play. Qbs very rarely do you have a DOMINANT TEAM with a dominant qb. Because a coach wants to limit his risk. It's fans who want to see the highlights etc. Coaches simply want to win the simplest way possible. 9 out of 10 the teams that have those really high level qbs need that level of play out of them because they lack elsewhere.


It's definitely our fastest way. But that's because as a squad we still aren't a finished product. We have issues. You get around those issues by having high level qb play. It makes up for the deficiencies. But long term it's not sustainable. Look at all of the schools who prove this model annually. Georgia basic qb play,bama basic qb play,osu basic qb play and on and on. Opposite side of the coin lsu had a trash defense, jayden Daniel's played out of this world. Washington basic d, penix played out of this world. Bo nix at auburn was asked to carry the team. He was expected to be a 5 star qb. He was viewed as a jag cause that ain't him. Now bring him to Oregon and control the expectations. Make his route tree more qb friendly high percentage throws so he can find comfort. What does Oregon do by dialing him back? They Excell. More often than not that's the recipe for success.

I think we are pretty much on the same page. I don't think clemson won just because of QB play. I agree without the OL and DL it's not a game. But, I do think the QB play is what made the difference in the game. I don't think a game manager QB wins those clemson championships. I don't think Miami could stand toe to toe, but with a play maker QB do we have a punchers chance to go deep into the playoffs?
How far off do you think we are before the D is stacked enough that a game manager is good enough to get this team deep into the playoffs? 4 years if guys start staying into their senior years?
 
I think we are pretty much on the same page. I don't think clemson won just because of QB play. I agree without the OL and DL it's not a game. But, I do think the QB play is what made the difference in the game. I don't think a game manager QB wins those clemson championships. I don't think Miami could stand toe to toe, but with a play maker QB do we have a punchers chance to go deep into the playoffs?
How far off do you think we are before the D is stacked enough that a game manager is good enough to get this team deep into the playoffs? 4 years if guys start staying into their senior years?
25. It all depends on if I'm right that Brown & Stafford are what I think they are with real coaching. Same with Patterson. Long as we get relatively high level stability at db & we stay healthy at rb then we're just about there.
 
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