Post Scrimmage details

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

You would have been happy if we had DJU as our starting quarterback? Or pretty much anyone on that list besides Gabriel or Ward? ****, I’d rather have kept TVD if we were just going to grab some mediocre quarterback to be the starter.

The younger guys are great if they’re not going to be your immediate starter. Give a former 5 star a year to learn your system and make a judgement next season or even mid season if he totally wows you.

You are certified CRAZY A.F. If you pick TVD over any of those guys.

You seem to have a general sense of football but you lack a fundamental understanding of the QB evaluation process.

 

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

THIS

Thank you @Brooklyndee some common sense.

 

[DTP]

over time will undoubtedly get better and perform when the lights come on.

You’re basing this statement on what?

I mean, it’s not impossible, it COULD happen but to say he will UNDOUBTEDLY perform when the lights come on is just not being realistic.

 

[DTP]

You are certified CRAZY A.F. If you pick TVD over any of those guys.

You seem to have a general sense of football but you lack a fundamental understanding of the QB evaluation process.

I don’t think most of those guys represent a major upgrade over TVD. TVD’s biggest issue is interceptions and half those guys throw picks at a higher rate than him.

It’s OK. Lots of people think like fans because any new guy HAS to be better than the last guy right? The backup quarterback is always the favorite player. Trading mid for mid isn’t exactly what I consider getting better.

 

[DTP]

Dilemma happens in soccer all the time. You have coaches with great ability to adjust to matchplans and are comfortable playing from behind and some have their systems in place and get nervous whenever they are trailing.

Mario is the latter. His notion is to control the ball, control possession and control everything, starting with the scoreboard. The moment we need to adjust and change and go quicker with the risk of turning the ball over, the urgency isn't there.

I wonder if we practice situational football on offense in such a way to simulate late-game-situations.

If you get the ball down 7 halfway through the fourth quarter, there is ZERO reason to take your sweet time unless you’re already near the goal line. Best case scenario, you run the whole clock down and tie it up to go to overtime. You’ve given yourself wry little time to get the ball back and try to actually win. You only get so many possessions in a game and taking 4 minutes to move 20 yards is just hurting your team.

 

[k9cane]

This is one of my issues with Mario-ball. I don’t care about run/pass ratio. I care about urgency and aggressiveness. I’m tired of ending halves with timeouts available. I’m tired of purposely playing at a deliberate pace even when we don’t have time to play slow. The reason it’s 2024 and we’re still worried about “bro-ball” or “caveman” football is because they’ve given us no reason not to be worried about it.

Tempo matters

And if there is ever a year where our run-pass ratio skews 60-40 towards the pass, and we try and be a team that consistently puts up 40-plus points a game (which helps the defense greatly for obvious reasons) -- this is the season

 

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

I don’t think most of those guys represent a major upgrade over TVD. TVD’s biggest issue is interceptions and half those guys throw picks at a higher rate than him.

It’s OK. Lots of people think like fans because any new guy HAS to be better than the last guy right? The backup quarterback is always the favorite player. Trading mid for mid isn’t exactly what I consider getting better.

This is what I’m talking about.

The INTs weren’t just bad. We had the talent last year to compete for the ACC Championship Game.

His mental meltdowns were catastrophic. His inability to read defenses/especially a man to zone look was debilitating.

Most importantly he was not a leader in the least. There are a dozen QBs I would take who throw ****** INTs but come back like, “my bad” and try to at least come back and gas up their teammates. TVD lurched back to the bench and tried to tuck his head in the sand like an Ostrich.

I was grateful when Emory came in and was hopeful we could have rode out the season at the time with him - win or lose.

Luckily, for us that didn’t happen because we likely don’t have Ward or half the other portal players we obtained.

It’s not just about TVD stats - I’m not going to go into his **** but he let a lot of things get into his head that just highlighted his flaws even worse!!!

 

[Brooklyndee]

Tempo matters

And if there is ever a year where our run-pass ratio skews 60-40 towards the pass, and we try and be a team that consistently puts up 40-plus points a game (which helps the defense greatly for obvious reasons) -- this is the season

It's not putting up 40 that helps a defense. It's how you put up that 40. If all we do is air it out and strike fast than we could put up 50 & be ******* our D.

 

[pubmedu]

You guys have this view point of Emory because you saw him on a VERY RESTRICTED playbook. He played in a situation where we knew our only shot was to limit risk. You guys have seen him for a game and a half and you think you have an accurate read on him? That's wild to me... I'm not gonna share conversations I've had on him or what I've seen. But we feel good about his long term potential and his growth.


Just read your prior comment and see you like him. Most of us share that opinion.

Is he a Walsh or Erickson, or potentially whom?

 

[gogeta4]

It's not putting up 40 that helps a defense. It's how you put up that 40. If all we do is air it out and strike fast than we could put up 50 & be ******* our D.

this d only doesnt have much depth on the back end. The front 7 is choc full of players to rotate....so f em lol.

right now we got like 5-6 playable line backers and 8 dl (not even counting Horton and campbell in that grouping)

 

[E1k]

Not recognizing the joke of quarterback recruiting/development for a very long time here isn’t bashing, it’s reality and it’s driven home by the number who have taken at least 1 snap in the league since 2000.

Your ignorance is on display when you downplay the fact we’ve had less than a handful of QB’s on the roster in the last 25 years who are willing/able to play big boy football and go through his progressions.

Our roster has been filled with immature, entitled school yard QB’s who either don’t spend time in the book/analyzing film, are high at all times, are making amateur ****, or just don’t have the ability to be an intelligent player.

Proof of the garbage is in the pudding. Anyone anointing him is premature. But unless you e been under a rock it’s hard not to appreciate a player at the position here who commands the respect of his teammates and over time will undoubtedly get better and perform when the lights come on.

Nah your ignorance is on full display, if u think we haven’t had a qb go thru progressions since kaaya then you’re just either clueless or don’t understand what you’re watching lol. There were very few plays for Emory to even have to go thru a full progression because of how limited the playbook was.


And my statement on emory has zero to do with qb recruiting for the last 25 years, and even if it did it still isn’t any better now lmao so idk what point you’re trying to prove. Emory isn’t near some of the qbs we have recruited in that time period, and that shouldn’t be judged based on nfl snaps either.

And all of the extra spending time, watching film amateur whatever tf you talking about has ZERO to do with what i posted so idk why u even brought it up.

I literally said in my other post, he seems like a good happy kid that loves football so I wouldn’t mind if he sticks around but when people like you try to rewrite reality then people say the actual truth it comes off as bashing but its not

 

[NorthEastCane]

Im pretty sure it was from the top down, judging by the pace of the whole team.

Thinking back to last years UNC game, you could see the same thing from the defense. When UNC went up tempo in the 2nd qtr, I can still see Guidry reaction at the slow pace of getting substitutions on the field. When there was no adjustment on UNC’s first drive in the 3rd, I knew the game was over.

But this is where I think Ward can help. Even though he isn't a coach, I just dont see him accepting that lack of urgency. He will be setting the tone, getting everyone to the line and pushing for that next play to come in.

At least thats what I hope

 

[NorthEastCane]

Not recognizing the joke of quarterback recruiting/development for a very long time here isn’t bashing, it’s reality and it’s driven home by the number who have taken at least 1 snap in the league since 2000.​

You’re not telling us anything we don’t know, but calling it a joke is bashing.

No doubt we need to be better.

Your ignorance is on display when you downplay the fact we’ve had less than a handful of QB’s on the roster in the last 25 years who are willing/able to play big boy football and go through his progressions.

Then when we get one that as a true freshman, begins to go through progressions we bash him because he doesn’t have NFL arm strength.

Our roster has been filled with immature, entitled school yard QB’s who either don’t spend time in the book/analyzing film, are high at all times, are making amateur ****, or just don’t have the ability to be an intelligent player.

You forgot “banging the kicker’s girl friend”.

Also, I sense more bashing.

Proof of the garbage is in the pudding. Anyone anointing him is premature.

Who’s anointing who?

But unless you e been under a rock it’s hard not to appreciate a player at the position here who commands the respect of his teammates and over time will undoubtedly get better and perform when the lights come on.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Beating out Emory and Poff to start here is a low bar imo. We need a high level qb to take us where we want to go. How many of those guy you listed do you think are playoff caliber qb's on this team?
Folks are acting like you can just cast your line into the portal and pull out a lunker qb anytime you want. I don't think it's that easy. First there's gotta be a lunker in there to pull out, and second you gotta fight to get him in the boat. I don't think it's as easy as penciling in a Cam Ward level guy every year. imo it's not a good idea to think you can just pull a playoff caliber qb out of the portal every year.

One things for sure assuming that there's a lunker in there to pull out........If Ward balls out this season then it's going to make things much easier for us to the point where certain lunkers will just jump in the boat.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

I read good stuff about Emory last year in camp. Then I saw him passing in the games. He was inconsistent. I just don't see it. Until he does it in a game I'm not buying it

He was a true freshman. He was a true freshman who got thrust into a starting role vs Clemson and FSU where the game plan was to mitigate risk. Of course he was inconsistent. Did you expect to see Dan Marino Jr out there?

 

[k9cane]

It's not putting up 40 that helps a defense. It's how you put up that 40. If all we do is air it out and strike fast than we could put up 50 & be ******* our D.

All Im saying is this, we don't need/or want to be old-school Mouse Davis, or Mike Leach, but IMO, the template should be 2019 LSU. You can be wide open, and still be physical

Bill Walsh template was : establish points and your offense(not the run game), and put yourself in a position where come the 4th quarter, you wore out the defense to a point where you could run the ball, and then close out games with the pass rush as you made teams one-dimensional with the throw game

This is what our '24 Canes are built to do in my view

 

[Bender]

If you get the ball down 7 halfway through the fourth quarter, there is ZERO reason to take your sweet time unless you’re already near the goal line. Best case scenario, you run the whole clock down and tie it up to go to overtime. You’ve given yourself wry little time to get the ball back and try to actually win. You only get so many possessions in a game and taking 4 minutes to move 20 yards is just hurting your team.

I know, you don't have to tell me

But that's Mario. He doesn't plan on having that situation in the first place.

 

[Brooklyndee]

Is he a Walsh or Erickson, or potentially whom?

I see a lot of Walsh & Kenny in him. That doesn't mean he will come anywhere near reaching that potential. But he has time. Not sure it'll be here unless it's next season cause I think nickel takes over his second season here. But I think Emory will be fine wherever he gets his burn at.

 

[252cane]

He was a true freshman. He was a true freshman who got thrust into a starting role vs Clemson and FSU where the game plan was to mitigate risk. Of course he was inconsistent. Did you expect to see Dan Marino Jr out there?

Some of them passes vs fsu was bad. Basic throws where he just threw terrible balls

 

[FrancisSawyer]

Some of them passes vs fsu was bad. Basic throws where he just threw terrible balls

First road start vs a top 5 undefeated team as a true freshman and it's understandable that he had the yips. Wake me up when he does the above as a Junior. By the way, I never said I thought he was Justin Herbert or going to turn into Justin Herbert. Just that he was a true freshman last year being put in an impossible position.