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[AtlAtty]

You guys have this view point of Emory because you saw him on a VERY RESTRICTED playbook. He played in a situation where we knew our only shot was to limit risk. You guys have seen him for a game and a half and you think you have an accurate read on him? That's wild to me... I'm not gonna share conversations I've had on him or what I've seen. But we feel good about his long term potential and his growth.


Just read your prior comment and see you like him. Most of us share that opinion.

I’m baffled as to how anyone could have watched a true freshman play against Clemson and FSU as well as Emory played and not come away believing he is good.
In fact, I would bet that most people who watched the FSU game thought we had a real chance to win UNTIL Emory was hurt.

And those were 2 of our toughest opposing defenses last year. And yes the game plan was limited but we beat Clemson and almost beat FSU, and might have but for the injury. Who cares if we leaned on our running game and defense. Good teams should be able to do that.

Part of the problem on CIS is that some people actually think style points count as much or more than actual points. I don’t care if we run the ball 50 times or pass the ball 50 times. Just win baby.

 

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

Not sure why you put me in this. I’m one of the biggest proponents for Cam Ward here. I’m the one saying we NEED elite quarterbacks and not to settle for mediocre guys.

It is the reason I put almost every QB that was previously listed on that Portal Starter list over TVD.

Not the case …. The hope and hype is great with Cam. But REALITY is he hasn’t won big games either. BUT he is a leader and has the intangibles.

You **** on Emory as True Freshmen against two of the best defenses in the country but what people are praising are his leadership ability, his football IQ..

You think people were all over Cam as an 18 year old?? He went to Incarnate Heart then WSU. It took FOREVER to get to HERE.

YOU saying Emory is not that guy based on those two games in not only ignorance but wholly unfair to the kid. (Again - bring in the best COMP possible and compete again next year). I’m just saying chill and relax.

 

[AtlAtty]

@DTP This bruh from a DLineman…
“Stuff like that just helps us compete. We love that from a quarterback. We all just love talking smack. We’re just having fun with it. That’s the main thing.
What I hate about Cam Ward is that when he has a good play or a good day, we’re going to hear it all the way to the locker room. We’re going to hear it all the way to team meetings, to dinner. So I don't like when he makes plays because he's going to talk about the whole day.”



Coach Mario knows he can never have a QB like TVD again. When he was he first got here he was stuck and thought he could coach him into this…. Sometimes that’s possible. Fight/Flight - TVD was a run away Dude. Hindsight is 20/20 now.

What is odd to me about TVD is that when he came in for an injured King, TVD threw picks, got down by a bunch, and then brought the team back. He was complete fight. But as the actual starter and with expectations, he was definitely flight. I wonder if it was expectations that brought him down? Or maybe it was just defenses adjusting to his inability to throw against a zone and that change took away his confidence and sent him into flight mode.

 

[AtlAtty]

I love how passionately you all discuss the backup QB every year. Truly a time honored tradition. You guys are doing great.

It’s still the off season so why not debate things like back up QB? There isn’t much else to debate right now.

And on a bigger note, a back up QB is extremely important to any football team. We have not had good luck for 3 years now with the health of our starting QB’s going back to King.

So whereas you ask, why discuss the issue, I ask, why not discuss the issue? And who is harmed by the discussion? No one as we all have the power to ignore those things which do not interest us.

 

[DTP]

It is the reason I put almost every QB that was previously listed on that Portal Starter list over TVD.

Not the case …. The hope and hype is great with Cam. But REALITY is he hasn’t won big games either. BUT he is a leader and has the intangibles.

You **** on Emory as True Freshmen against two of the best defenses in the country but what people are praising are his leadership ability, his football IQ..

You think people were all over Cam as an 18 year old?? He went to Incarnate Heart then WSU. It took FOREVER to get to HERE.

YOU saying Emory is not that guy based on those two games in not only ignorance but wholly unfair to the kid. (Again - bring in the best COMP possible and compete again next year). I’m just saying chill and relax.

Do you even bother reading what I type or are you just really mad because I’m not going to overhype your favorite player? I said “don’t crown a player who hasn’t shown he’s capable of playing quarterback at this level”. Which is 100% correct. I have seen nothing that makes me think he’s capable yet. Maybe in two or three years he’ll be capable? It’s possible. I’ve just seen this story happen so many times in football that I’ll remain skeptical until shown otherwise.

By the way, freshmen quarterbacks play all the time in college football. Brad Kaaya literally started his first college game ever. He was actually pretty good that year too. Almost beat #2 FSU with 300+ yards and 2 touchdowns.

 

[FrancisSawyer]

What are we supposed to judge a player on if not for what we actually see in games? Now I understand the game film is limited so you can’t just close the book and say “this dude’s a bum” but you can’t just write off what actually happened. There’s much less evidence that he’s good. You’ve got dudes here calling him Ken Dorsey and saying he’s the only quarterback we’ve had in 20 years that can read a defense. That **** is ridiculous. Especially since pretty much every pass call for him has been a one read call. Because that’s what you have to do with a freshman quarterback who isn’t ready to play yet. If fans want to be proud of his poise in big games and hope he can improve his passing ability and maybe push to start in a year or two, that’s perfectly reasonable but referring to a dude who has like 70 career attempts as the next Ken Dorsey is hilarious.

The fact that some dudes call him Ken Dorsey is irrelevant to the overall point and that is that its likely premature to close the book on a true freshman who was called upon to start vs Clemson and on the road vs FSU.

Like most here I watched those games and immediately said to myself that although Emory is a tough kid, he just isn't the guy nor will he ever be the guy. Again, like most, I based that on the fact that I've seen big time QBs and have seen them as true freshman and the majority of the time, if they don't flash those elite traits as freshmen then they don't have those elite traits.

Flash forward to the present fall camp. Although I haven't been able to watch him with my own eyes, I've heard from multiple sources that Emory looks much much better and much more confident. I've heard he is driving the offense down the field consistently. Now obviously these second hand reports must be taken on faith and with a huge grain of salt which I did. However what they did was they made me think. They made me think of what Emory could become if given time to develop and grow in confidence. There are examples all throughout the history of the game. Kid looks rough as a freshman but is able to stick it out and he improves every year until he is able to lead the team as a redshirt junior or senior. In Emory's case that would possibly be as a big 6'5" 235lb QB who develops into a game manager who gets the ball to his playmakers and doesn't make big mistakes.

I'm not ripping your post as I like and usually agree with you as a poster. Just providing some insight into this issue. I will say that whatever the case turns out to be, that the QB room needs to continue to get better and more talented. The addition of Nickel and the 2026 kid from Jones High in Orlando whose name I'm blanking out on are a good start and that Mario will continue to improve the room as the team continues to have success.

 

[Brooklyndee]

What is odd to me about TVD is that when he came in for an injured King, TVD threw picks, got down by a bunch, and then brought the team back. He was complete fight. But as the actual starter and with expectations, he was definitely flight. I wonder if it was expectations that brought him down? Or maybe it was just defenses adjusting to his inability to throw against a zone and that change took away his confidence and sent him into flight mode.

Tape never lied brother. Inside leverage 8 out of ten with 2 deep.

 

[The U is back to work]

So do we think this is Mario just not wanting any morsel of info out or do we think there are injuries he doesn’t want people to see with impactful players?

 

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

It’s still the off season so why not debate things like back up QB? There isn’t much else to debate right now.

And on a bigger note, a back up QB is extremely important to any football team. We have not had good luck for 3 years now with the health of our starting QB’s going back to King.

So whereas you ask, why discuss the issue, I ask, why not discuss the issue? And who is harmed by the discussion? No one as we all have the power to ignore those things which do not interest us.

I have no problem with guys debating the issue and actually giving their opinions.

BUT to claim any TF doesn’t have IT is a disservice to the team and the program. Especially at QB when it’s so hit or Miss on developing.

Just about every top program tried to go out and get a Portal Starter the last two years.

 

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

Do you even bother reading what I type or are you just really mad because I’m not going to overhype your favorite player? I said “don’t crown a player who hasn’t shown he’s capable of playing quarterback at this level”. Which is 100% correct. I have seen nothing that makes me think he’s capable yet. Maybe in two or three years he’ll be capable? It’s possible. I’ve just seen this story happen so many times in football that I’ll remain skeptical until shown otherwise.

By the way, freshmen quarterbacks play all the time in college football. Brad Kaaya literally started his first college game ever. He was actually pretty good that year too. Almost beat #2 FSU with 300+ yards and 2 touchdowns.

True Freshmen rarely start at major programs and there is a reason for it.

I am not anointing him anything. I’m saying let the kid develop. Most true freshmen would have completely **** the bed. He did what he was asked to do until he got hurt.

He was a bit shook and had some erratic passes. The were a couple drops a few incorrrect routes run.

I’m saying for anyone to say he IS NOT a P5 starter based on those games is ridiculous.

 

[AtlAtty]

I have no problem with guys debating the issue and actually giving their opinions.

BUT to claim any TF doesn’t have IT is a disservice to the team and the program. Especially at QB when it’s so hit or Miss on developing.

Just about every top program tried to go out and get a Portal Starter the last two years.

I agree 100%. 2 games against our toughest opponents; won the first and might have won the second but for the injury.

I think Emory will start at UM before his career is over and not because of an injury to a starter, but because he is good enough to win the starting job. I see a QB who has mental processing speed and toughness. I also think arm strength in college QB’s is overrated. Like Dawson said last off-season, Emory Williams is made to play QB.

 

[UnForgiven]

I agree 100%. 2 games against our toughest opponents; won the first and might have won the second but for the injury.

I think Emory will start at UM before his career is over and not because of an injury to a starter, but because he is good enough to win the starting job. I see a QB who has mental processing speed and toughness. I also think arm strength in college QB’s is overrated. Like Dawson said last off-season, Emory Williams is made to play QB.

Man I couldn’t say it better. Just something about his fire and intangibles. Big effort. Big student of game. Big heart.

+3 pts on a 10 pt scale for those things. A 5 natural talent hits 8 real quick.

Xavier Restrepo, anyone?

 

[Orig.CaneSawMassacre]

I agree 100%. 2 games against our toughest opponents; won the first and might have won the second but for the injury.

I think Emory will start at UM before his career is over and not because of an injury to a starter, but because he is good enough to win the starting job. I see a QB who has mental processing speed and toughness. I also think arm strength in college QB’s is overrated. Like Dawson said last off-season, Emory Williams is made to play QB.

I could see Emory being a starter at some point down the line. I actually hope we are able to redshirt him this year (let him get his 4 games) BUT I still think if a BIG TIME QB is out there you have to go for it again next year.

 

[ThomasM]

What is it that you saw on film that impressed you?

For me, something I'm learning to put more value in is motor for DL. So many pressures/sacks are the result of pure, unadulterated effort. I rated McConathey about where sites had him because I didn't value his combination of first step quickness, motor, length enough.

Even though I'm typically drawn to production and motor, I feel like I let the fact that Alabama didn't chase him hard cloud my eyes I think.

The feedback I've gotten from two different places today is that he is going to play a ton and even had some looks with players who might be first on the field at the beginning of a game. Score one for the coaches above my evaluation.

Production, motor, first step, length, quickness.... and violent, violent hands. When he got his hands on the ball carrier, it was over. I know people get worked up over big hits, but when you have a guy with length, quickness, and extremely strong hands, it makes the art of tackling fun to watch. This dude makes it look like an art form. A very violent one.

 

[canes732]

I’m baffled as to how anyone could have watched a true freshman play against Clemson and FSU as well as Emory played and not come away believing he is good.
In fact, I would bet that most people who watched the FSU game thought we had a real chance to win UNTIL Emory was hurt.

And those were 2 of our toughest opposing defenses last year. And yes the game plan was limited but we beat Clemson and almost beat FSU, and might have but for the injury. Who cares if we leaned on our running game and defense. Good teams should be able to do that.

Part of the problem on CIS is that some people actually think style points count as much or more than actual points. I don’t care if we run the ball 50 times or pass the ball 50 times. Just win baby.

Well people who love style points or MORE OFFENSIVE POINTS are ruining football. Look at the nfl it’s becoming the NBA it’s getting awful with rule changes every offseason

 

[E1k]

You’re using your same amateur eye to discount Emory’s abilities. An underdeveloped True Freshmen ( I could care less if he wins out or not - get the best you can next year) is incapable because of what YOU saw in two games against 2 of the top defenses in the country.

Come the ***** on Bruh!
You are SUS A.F. - We have him this year either way. Let the kid develop and if the coaches don’t see it next year THE team can move on and YOU can come back with receipts. Until STFU bashing the kid and his skills.

FYI what football have you played? Coached? Just shout out your credentials !!

I never discounted him, i just stated the reality of a game he played and my opinion on his ceiling as a player compared to other qbs we had. Just because its different than yall opinion doesn’t make it amateur.

And if u actually read what i said you would see that i literally said he seems like a kid that loves football and i wouldn’t mind if he sticks around if you think thats sus or bashing him then you’re the amateur because yall cant handle a different opinion. I dont care to comeback with receipts that would be amateur **** to take a victory lap on a cane board that i was right on a kid not succeeding here. Clown ****

And i dont have to prove credentials to you lmao, who tf are you? I dont give a **** about if you played or coached 20 years in the league that doesn’t change my opinion or make me value your opinion so you stfu

 

[DTP]

Well people who love style points or MORE OFFENSIVE POINTS are ruining football. Look at the nfl it’s becoming the NBA it’s getting awful with rule changes every offseason

You are correct that most of the rule changes are to favor the offense. Football has been doing that pretty much since the game was first invented. The forward pass used to be illegal and you used to not be allowed to extend your arms and use your hands when blocking. It’s why if you want to win it’s best to take advantage of the rules rather than to angrily fight the direction the sport is moving. It’s really hard to win a bunch of defensive slugfests in today’s game.

 

[canes732]

You are correct that most of the rule changes are to favor the offense. Football has been doing that pretty much since the game was first invented. The forward pass used to be illegal and you used to not be allowed to extend your arms and use your hands when blocking. It’s why if you want to win it’s best to take advantage of the rules rather than to angrily fight the direction the sport is moving. It’s really hard to win a bunch of defensive slugfests in today’s game.

I agree that rule changes have changed the game to what it is today. I just don’t think we need any more changes

 

[tr1ck]

Is JoJo hurt haven’t heard his name or seen him in any clips ? I know we not getting any reports but even before mario shut **** down

 

[AtlAtty]

I could see Emory being a starter at some point down the line. I actually hope we are able to redshirt him this year (let him get his 4 games) BUT I still think if a BIG TIME QB is out there you have to go for it again next year.

That would be my ideal scenario as well. Redshirt Emory for this season so he still has 3 to play. We get another big time portal QB for next season. By then we have Emory as a redshirt sophomore, Anderson as either a sophomore or redshirt freshman, and Nickel as a true freshman.