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grover said:
That's not exactly what I meant to say, though. I believe we should always be looking at the portal to upgrade QB, especially for 2025 when we cannot be sure either Emory or Poff will be good enough to lead a playoff team. But I also believe we cannot rely on the portal because ELITE QBs like Ward are very rare, and we may not get one.

Let's say there are 2-4 Top 10 QBs who hit the portal. Who is to say we get one of them? Who is to say the guys we target doesn't ultimately decide to go pro instead like Cam did and Taulia was forced to do? Who is to say that even if we do get one of them, he doesn't get injured during camp or the season?

My point? Yes, we must go portalling. But we ALSO desperately need to work on developing one of Poff or Emory into someone who pan be ready to step into a starting role.
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The kids were bringing in are getting better and better. 2025 dude (i need coffee) is a stud.
 
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UnForgiven said:
This Emory thing always bugs me. I mean - that cat broke his arm out of FSU hate and a desire to carry the Canes torch against a despised rival. He laid it all out like a man -And still truly only a boy, honestly. Someone’s kid that screamed out like that.

Anyone hearing him screaming with a mangled arm, picked up on mics, saw what he took for the team, and how he tried to encourage them as he was carted off…. And then “Fans” still want to put him down or throw snark….man.

I say if anyone sees him out in the wild what we do is thank him for being an FSU game legend for life. Great effort son!

Give us 22 talented starters with that kind of heart and our troubles are over quick.

Show the man some respect.

(To be clear I’m agreeing with you
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Cribby said:
People look at Emory’s stats versus Clemson and FSU but don’t remember him late in both games. He made multiple big throws late against Clemson and had us driving against FSU when he broke his arm. I really wish he could’ve finished that game , the guys rallied behind him and believed. That alone is impressive for a true Fr playing his first football. Guys played for him. He also has intangibles very few qb’s have. Another area regular fans can’t see. Once again Emory’s first couple starts were against a great Clemson D and and a great FSU D at Doak. Negatively judging a 17-18 year old’s future off that is absolutely ridiculous. But not surprising.
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You’re spot on Cribby.

A technical aspect many don’t realize here is his ability to work through his progressions. He’s put a lot of work into his timing as far his progressions and mechanics go, ie the timing between his mind and his feet. Understandably, for some of the reasons you mentioned, they were off and it affected his ball placement, velocity, etc. His accuracy, or lack there of statistically against FSU wasn’t helped by 2-3 catchable balls which weren’t caught and a few less than stellar/incorrect route decisions run by his would be receivers.

The take away for anyone should be the use of the word progressions. That’s a completely different concept than what we’ve experienced watching TVD, JB, JW, Malik, etc. The last QB we had who even attempted to work through progressions was Kaaya. The bottom line is his physical tools and mechanics have caught up to or are about to catch up to his intelligence. His understanding of the game is beyond anyone in that room now or anyone we’ve had in ages.
 
DTP said:
I keep seeing people say this but the play where he broke his arm happened at our own 21 yard line. It’s not exactly like we were in position to score there.
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He tossed an 85 yard TD pass on the prior possession, and we started at the 12 on his last drive. He took us 10 yards before the injury. So he had us "driving" even if we were not yet in the red zone. "Position to score" might not matter if you can throw 85 yard TD passes (and I know there was a lot of YAC on that one).
 
jps2344 said:
You’re spot on Cribby.

A technical aspect many don’t realize here is his ability to work through his progressions. He’s put a lot of work into his timing as far his progressions and mechanics go, ie the timing between his mind and his feet. Understandably, for some of the reasons you mentioned, they were off and it affected his ball placement, velocity, etc. His accuracy, or lack there of statistically against FSU wasn’t helped by 2-3 catchable balls which weren’t caught and a few less than stellar/incorrect route decisions run by his would be receivers.

The take away for anyone should be the use of the word progressions. That’s a completely different concept than what we’ve experienced watching TVD, JB, JW, Malik, etc. The last QB we had who even attempted to work through progressions was Kaaya. The bottom line is his physical tools and mechanics have caught up to or are about to catch up to his intelligence. His understanding of the game is beyond anyone in that room now or anyone we’ve had in ages.
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Leader and game manager (with juice) and I don’t mean that in a disparaging way. We’re extremely lucky to have him as a backup.
 
We’ve got an obsession with trying to mitigate the overly negative with the overly positive (and vice versa)

Can’t just leave it at Emory had some good moments in games he never should have had to play. He’s got plenty of time to keep getting better. Great kid to have on the depth chart even if he never starts another game but no reason to write him off at this point

But that’s too boring I guess
 
TheOriginalCane said:
He tossed an 85 yard TD pass on the prior possession, and we started at the 12 on his last drive. He took us 10 yards before the injury. So he had us "driving" even if we were not yet in the red zone. "Position to score" might not matter if you can throw 85 yard TD passes (and I know there was a lot of YAC on that one).
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I like Emory's potential a lot and don't think he should be judged negatively for last season, but for the record, the 85 yard TD was one of his worst decisions of the game and the Safety should have had his scholarship revoked for not picking that.
 
TheOriginalCane said:
He tossed an 85 yard TD pass on the prior possession, and we started at the 12 on his last drive. He took us 10 yards before the injury. So he had us "driving" even if we were not yet in the red zone. "Position to score" might not matter if you can throw 85 yard TD passes (and I know there was a lot of YAC on that one).
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I guess everything is subjective depending on perspective.
 
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Brooklyndee said:
4th & 2. It probably felt like mid field for Tyler cause he promptly threw his usual mid field interception
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I just started laughing when he came in and threw that pick.

Knew it was either going to be that or some cinderalla magical drive to win the game when it happened. Should have known it was going to be the sealing INT
 
hanchiii said:
He was forced into action without getting very many practice reps, was a true freshman, and did not play like a true freshman.

Don't see it? Are you saying he will never get it here through repetition and experience? He already peaked in abilities as a true freshman playing two opponents who have mauled us the last few years? First time in years I did not want to throw a brick through my tv watching us vs those two before halftime.

Then the excuse that Clemson was not that good along with sounding conclusive that he would have folded against FSU on the last drive, yet he threw a great pass to George to keep us in it just before that final drive when he got hurt........... no matter the excuse of how FSU tried to defend it.

Has he peaked in some eyes here, or is it a forgone conclusion that for whatever reason/opinion, he will never be good based off limited practice reps and thrown in vs two of the toughest d's we played last season? A TRUE freshman with very limited practice.

Coaches see something in him and the players trust him. That's all that matters. Latest update shows he is still doing some good things in practice/ scrimmage, but yet he is evaluated by some here like he is a dud.
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Just my opinion sir. I don't see anything special about him YET on the field. Can I see the future? No
He's no different THROWING the BALL in GAMES than Brown
 
DTP said:
People play the results too often with quarterbacks instead of analyzing how they played. They see a win against Clemson and keeping it close against FSU as quarterback achievement instead of team achievement.

The playbook was obviously watered down against Clemson. Which was the right call by the coaches and he did a good job of not hurting the team with turnovers. But some folks need to re watch the FSU game. 8 completions total. Out of 23 attempts. Half his yardage came on one play to Jacoby George that was thrown into double coverage and went threw two Seminole players’ hands. Yes, he was a freshman so i don’t expect perfection but his issues weren’t freshman mistakes. He wasn’t panicking and making bad reads or holding the ball too long or committing delay of game penalties. He was missing open targets. There were a lot of Malik Rosier looking passes in that game. If anything his poise and attitude were well beyond most freshmen. His flaws are physical.

Once again, I’m not at practice. I can only see what game footage is available and make assumptions based on what how the coaching staff handles him. I’m knocking the guy. He’s definitely got grit and composure which some quarterbacks never develop but he has a lot of improvement to make in terms of physical passing ability. I wouldn’t write him off but he shouldn’t have been relied upon last year and hopefully won’t be needed this year. Give him some mop up snaps, let him redshirt and revisit this next season.
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Exactly 💯. I'm not against him. But a QB has to by accurate and he hasn't shown that YET. I want him to be good, but so far PASSING the FB in GAMES he's just as bad as Brown
 
JayCane20 said:
I just started laughing when he came in and threw that pick.

Knew it was either going to be that or some cinderalla magical drive to win the game when it happened. Should have known it was going to be the sealing INT
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I actually watched it again last night.

The first play after TVD comes in, he has Restrepo WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field on a slant from the slot, and Greedy Vance is in the area but it's one missed tackle from probably a 30 yard gain. And TVD fires a missile, way too hard, and low. The whole game was like that. Restrepo was open a bunch, we could never get him the ball in the right spot. But TVD eventually makes 2 very good throws and Colbie makes one good catch, one great catch, and we're cooking at the 50 with well over a minute left and a timeout.

But 4 straight nothings, and we go home.

I was focused on Dawson, though. I like him, but even McDonough on the call was like, Yo...yall gonna hurry the **** up, or what? Just zero urgency. There is definitely a fine line between getting your right call and going full speed, so at the end of the day it was execution and not time that killed us, but at the end of games all year we just didn't look like we had an optimal plan. We have to be better there this year, because as good as we might be, there are going to be games that will be close in the 4th quarter. Even the 2001 team had some. Execution and planning needs to be a lot better.
 
Mikesmith29150 said:
Exactly 💯. I'm not against him. But a QB has to by accurate and he hasn't shown that YET. I want him to be good, but so far PASSING the FB in GAMES he's just as bad as Brown
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Nobody knows anything one way or the other. He could be a two year starter that balls out or could be a career backup. I do like his attitude and intangibles . I tend to not bet against guys like him.
 
OrangeBowlMagic said:
I actually watched it again last night.

The first play after TVD comes in, he has Restrepo WIDE OPEN in the middle of the field on a slant from the slot, and Greedy Vance is in the area but it's one missed tackle from probably a 30 yard gain. And TVD fires a missile, way too hard, and low. The whole game was like that. Restrepo was open a bunch, we could never get him the ball in the right spot. But TVD eventually makes 2 very good throws and Colbie makes one good catch, one great catch, and we're cooking at the 50 with well over a minute left and a timeout.

But 4 straight nothings, and we go home.

I was focused on Dawson, though. I like him, but even McDonough on the call was like, Yo...yall gonna hurry the **** up, or what? Just zero urgency. There is definitely a fine line between getting your right call and going full speed, so at the end of the day it was execution and not time that killed us, but at the end of games all year we just didn't look like we had an optimal plan. We have to be better there this year, because as good as we might be, there are going to be games that will be close in the 4th quarter. Even the 2001 team had some. Execution and planning needs to be a lot better.
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I felt I was always yelling, at the tv or in the stadium, that we needed to hurry up.

There was never urgency at the end of the game or before half. Very anxious to find out if it was TVD or Dawson/Mario. I think I know the answer but it's not the one people want to hear.
 
JL 2014 said:
I like Emory's potential a lot and don't think he should be judged negatively for last season, but for the record, the 85 yard TD was one of his worst decisions of the game and the Safety should have had his scholarship revoked for not picking that.
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Mikesmith29150 said:
Just my opinion sir. I don't see anything special about him YET on the field. Can I see the future? No
He's no different THROWING the BALL in GAMES than Brown
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I had no problem with what you posted. Just wanted a little elaboration on it. Definitely do not agree on the Brown comparison, but just my opinion. Brown also had more experience and probably more snaps in his couple seasons with us.

Emory was thrown into a situation where he showed some things with extremely limited snaps in practice up until then. And again, true freshman. There were also some catchable balls that were dropped in the FSU game. Not many but it is a team game. Also, it was not like he was highly recruited. EW was a 4 star if I remember and at the Elite 11 camp as a finalist (I think). I am glad he is behind Ward at the moment and has stood out in practices since returning from that nasty injury.

Wish all on the team to be healthy this season. We have a deep roster for the first time in a while, and it is time to show it.
 
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JayCane20 said:
I felt I was always yelling, at the tv or in the stadium, that we needed to hurry up.

There was never urgency at the end of the game or before half. Very anxious to find out if it was TVD or Dawson/Mario. I think I know the answer but it's not the one people want to hear.
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It’s not TVD. It’s not like the whole rest of the team has their hair on fire and he’s taking a nap. Everyone is just taking a nice Saturday stroll.

However, this game wasn’t lost because of coaching/time management. We just weren’t good enough, especially in the run game. Even on that drive, go back and watch the 3rd and 2 the play before Emory gets hurt. Fiske and Bethune drive Cohen and Rivers 5 yards backwards, we actually lost half a yard. Those are 2 NFL players, sure. But if we are gonna have this dominant line we all talk about, that can’t happen.

One thing that does have me excited though, is FSU called the defense they did in that situation because we had Emory Williams playing quarterback. I think you’ll see defenses playing us MUCH differently this year.
 
JayCane20 said:
Something important is being hidden. Personnel related.
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I was just saying so posters can stop going back and forth about Emory for the 800th time lol

But media hasn't had access in a LONG time. It's been more than a week. Cribby said we didn't have anything significant injuries so I don't think it's that
 
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