Possible Bruce suspension and info on AQM

[rok]

Peter Ace is the new LeBatard, who coincidentally also got his start by throwing UM under the bus.

 

[cflacane2]

Sure, since you don't seem to understand how things work. Let's take two different situations.

On 07/03 (article link below), Alabama reported 19 secondary violations to the NCAA, 5 of those belonged to the football team. I'm sure most people close to the program (media included) were aware of what was going on - but it was not even hinted at until the report was completed.

Alabama self-reports 19 secondary NCAA violations | AL.com

In that same time period, Miami is in the middle of investigating an ALLEGATION against the school that some kids received impermissible benefits (more than likely secondary rules violations like Alabama). Some student/athlete leaks it to Ariz - who can't run fast enough to the Herald w/ the scoop. The school then has to spend an inordinate amount of time discussing the INVESTIGATION in the media - not giving the school a chance to complete its internal investigation, while at the same time making the NCAA aware of some improprieties on campus.

You don't see a difference there?

Mother of GOD! Can you reach any further?

I know its tough being objective.

But lets try it this way -

What is the benefit of leaking that there is an investigation into student athletes prior to it being reported to the NCAA?

Transparency. I'm pretty sure we're still under probation till fall so in an effort to convince the NCAA that we on top of any possible infraction is key to avoiding additional penalties. The perception that the compliance office is proactive is key. It also puts the kids on notice if you **** up we aren't playing around.

How does this level of transparency (out in the public before the investigation is completed) affect the program's compliance department, and their relationship with the NCAA enforcement?

How do you know Miami was not going to announce the results of the investigation and their discussion with the NCAA to the media? They never even had a chance to do it.

Transparency, and by extension the desire to know EVERYTHING about the program, is what leads to the downfall of programs.

Loose lips sink ships.

The transparency shows we were on top of it as soon as it happend. It shows we didn't wait for a "beat reporter" to discover the improper benefits before UM made their move. As far as miami not announcing the investigation formally that could be a PR move. Selective leaks to lower tier press (no offense pete) is a proven strategy to minimize national attention. If UM made a formal statement you can bet ESPN would've ran with the story on the front page for 4-5 days and it would've been tossed around on their daily talk shows. Typically you don't see colleges make formal announcements till their findings are concluded (see the alabama secondary infractions).

Anyway that's just my theory.

 

[jw410]

According to a UM source, a former girlfriend informed UM about Young’s involvement.

Bruce made the photo of himself with the weapon because of a dispute with a former Aquinas male student, a dispute centered around Bruce’s ex-girlfriend.

Be careful young men, they're vicious creatures

These young men should know these women aren't loyal. **** the victim and the cop were in cohots.. Sick *** world yo! I hope that cop I want to use another 3 letter word loses his badge, his pension, and any retirements monies he may have had.

 

[jw410]

some of these kids are flat out stupid.... balls bigger then their brains really a gun(real or not).... over a trick... please. these fools cant be serious. going to cost yourself over some pussior that will and is readily available. college is a all you can f ****fest pretty much and he is worried about one piece of tail in high school.. the stupidity is overflowing this gun **** has taken too many former players and im sure will take more.

Your right, but why is UM and Richt getting in the business of disciplining kids for conduct prior to enrolling in college?

Yeah, I know, he was a "commit"....but not a college student on the team?! ****, his actual school at the time took action and the police never pressed charges?!

I'm all about discipline, but there must be more to this. As to the Walton arrest details...that's some dirty ****e right there....

UM

Agreed. Look I support Richt and I'm all for holding kids accountable but this is overkill to me. He has already been held accountable by Aquinas. Why does Richt feel the need to pile on?

Like I SAID we ain't winning **** when it comes to Richt. I willing to bet. He's too conservative to truly want to win. Nick Saban and Jimbo are examples of what it takes to win.

Richt did the same **** at Georgia always missing a good player or two/three.

I'm over this dude already. I won't say another word, but this bible thumper will not win here at Miami like we all want.

 

[Billy D Williams]

Why isn't the NRA defending Bruce's right to post a picture of himself with a device of human extermination! Guns more popular than the **** flag and legal too. Would he have been suspended if he had posted a picture of himself with a set of Ronco kitchen knives? Leave the kid alone. Too much has been made of this "picture".

 

[MetalMusicCanesFootball]

According to a UM source, a former girlfriend informed UM about Young’s involvement.

What a ****.

 

[Jeeperaf]

[/QUOTE]Like I SAID we ain't winning **** when it comes to Richt. I willing to bet. He's too conservative to truly want to win. Nick Saban and Jimbo are examples of what it takes to win.

Richt did the same **** at Georgia always missing a good player or two/three.

I'm over this dude already. I won't say another word, but this bible thumper will not win here at Miami like we all want.[/QUOTE]

jw...

you might be right on the winning part...several variables at play at UGA last few years other than his religious outlook.

just need to see how it plays out over the next 2-3 seasons before we can have a more informed view as to yes/no on the "Richt way" at Miami.

For now, I'm a believer.

Go Canes.

 

[DerekDohrman]

That's just what LeBatard says.

You and that fat faced **** sucker should take a page from the SEC reporters and learn when to shut the **** up for the better of the program.

Ego-driven, selfish clowns!

please eloquently explain for the rest of us exactly how what pete reported was to the detriment of the program.

Sure, since you don't seem to understand how things work. Let's take two different situations.

On 07/03 (article link below), Alabama reported 19 secondary violations to the NCAA, 5 of those belonged to the football team. I'm sure most people close to the program (media included) were aware of what was going on - but it was not even hinted at until the report was completed.

Alabama self-reports 19 secondary NCAA violations | AL.com

In that same time period, Miami is in the middle of investigating an ALLEGATION against the school that some kids received impermissible benefits (more than likely secondary rules violations like Alabama). Some student/athlete leaks it to Ariz - who can't run fast enough to the Herald w/ the scoop. The school then has to spend an inordinate amount of time discussing the INVESTIGATION in the media - not giving the school a chance to complete its internal investigation, while at the same time making the NCAA aware of some improprieties on campus.

You don't see a difference there?

you can be as sure as you'd like, but april comes before july and this is more than a hint:

https://alabama.rivals.com/news/bo-...on-due-to-allegation-of-recruiting-violations


we have a player suspended, probably kicked off the team, and potentially more involved. if our local, trusted guy (pete) doesnt actually report the facts/truth to the best of his knowledge, you better believe other reporters are going to dig their claws in as quick as possible and spread all kinds of BS along with wild speculation. as for the rest, you're guessing and most likely wrong about the school's efforts being hampered because they have to answer a few questions that are ONLY being asked because of what pete reported.

Wait - is that a message board? Or a reputable source of information; like a newspaper? Also, the main source of the original report was who?

I'll ask one more question and let it be:

What is the benefit, to the program, for reporting on an on-going, internal investigation?

its right there in the first paragraph:

"Bo Davis is expected to leave his position as assistant football coach at the University of Alabama over an inquiry into possible recruiting violations, The Tuscaloosa News has learned. Davis is expected to resign or be fired from his job."

 

[rsa coral gables]

espera por favor!

5 pages of blah blah blah and no one mentions this particular line of the article: "A UM player said eyebrows were raised when Young drove to practice last season in an expensive car. According to a UM source, a former girlfriend informed UM about Young’s involvement."

the use of the word "eyebrows"????

 

[The Franchise]

I see you Pete, get close to players and "sources" then put players/program on blast.

I know you got to do you and not knocking your hustle but dam...





/Maybe I am looking at it from a completely wrong perspective (I am and have been many times before, lol) , would like to hear your thoughts on it either way

Gigantic difference between reporting facts and what's already out there and being a mole and violating trust by broadcasting what players/coaches tell you in confidence. If you don't get that then I'm wasting my time.

It wasn't known until Ariz threw it out into the Internet.

I don't know that to be true. But even if it is, do you think no one else would have discovered that Young suddenly went missing once practice starts? Probably more beneficial to get this distraction out of the way during summer vacation than having a bunch of vultures swarming the coaches and players when fall practice begins.

And it's definitely beneficial to the program to have a UM man reporting actual facts and probably even trying his hardest to do the right thing by the program instead of some UF/FSU local maggot looking to put a sensational spin on "facts."

Why would there be vultures at fall camp for the second string LB?

I disagree on the benefit you stated. There is no need to let stuff like this out until the UM investigation is completed. That leads to the folks you would like NOT to report (the 'Noles and Gators in the press) - doing what you don't want them to do - which is wildly reporting and speculating.

I can see controlling the message by UM as an excellent strategy. Only after the investigation has been concluded and the results submitted to the NCAA.

Do you really think Suzy Degan wouldn't get OCD over Young suddenly turning up missing? She asked Folden about a fcking punter 2884 times during the course of about 4 days last year. You're giving these weirdos too much credit if you don't think they'd be frothing at the mouth over trying to uncover a "story."

Beat them to the punch and get the distraction out of the way early while it has no affect on the team or preparation.

 

[The Franchise]

On a side note, I don't see the relationship between Sam Bam and Richt lasting all that long if he's already suspending him for taking a stupid picture. Sam is a wild stallion, and Richt has a long storied history of throwing guys off his team at UGA.

Compare and contrast this situation to Ashawn Robinson at Alabama. Caught with a gun on his lap and dope in his car while Sam just took a picture with a gun. Saban just did an interview where he said he thinks Robinson will learn more and correct his behavior by doing ride alongs with cops instead of being suspended for any football games.

 

[Ghandi]

Mother of GOD! Can you reach any further?

I know its tough being objective.

But lets try it this way -

What is the benefit of leaking that there is an investigation into student athletes prior to it being reported to the NCAA?

Transparency. I'm pretty sure we're still under probation till fall so in an effort to convince the NCAA that we on top of any possible infraction is key to avoiding additional penalties. The perception that the compliance office is proactive is key. It also puts the kids on notice if you **** up we aren't playing around.

How does this level of transparency (out in the public before the investigation is completed) affect the program's compliance department, and their relationship with the NCAA enforcement?

How do you know Miami was not going to announce the results of the investigation and their discussion with the NCAA to the media? They never even had a chance to do it.

Transparency, and by extension the desire to know EVERYTHING about the program, is what leads to the downfall of programs.

Loose lips sink ships.

The transparency shows we were on top of it as soon as it happend. It shows we didn't wait for a "beat reporter" to discover the improper benefits before UM made their move. As far as miami not announcing the investigation formally that could be a PR move. Selective leaks to lower tier press (no offense pete) is a proven strategy to minimize national attention. If UM made a formal statement you can bet ESPN would've ran with the story on the front page for 4-5 days and it would've been tossed around on their daily talk shows. Typically you don't see colleges make formal announcements till their findings are concluded (see the alabama secondary infractions).

Anyway that's just my theory.

Transparency works perfectly fine for the NCAA. As a matter of fact, they encourage it.

Transparency is not necessary for the public, their perception, or even consumption.

This is how you end up with ****heads like Charles Robinson and the Feast making outlandish accusations without all of the facts.

 

[Ghandi]

Gigantic difference between reporting facts and what's already out there and being a mole and violating trust by broadcasting what players/coaches tell you in confidence. If you don't get that then I'm wasting my time.

It wasn't known until Ariz threw it out into the Internet.

I don't know that to be true. But even if it is, do you think no one else would have discovered that Young suddenly went missing once practice starts? Probably more beneficial to get this distraction out of the way during summer vacation than having a bunch of vultures swarming the coaches and players when fall practice begins.

And it's definitely beneficial to the program to have a UM man reporting actual facts and probably even trying his hardest to do the right thing by the program instead of some UF/FSU local maggot looking to put a sensational spin on "facts."

Why would there be vultures at fall camp for the second string LB?

I disagree on the benefit you stated. There is no need to let stuff like this out until the UM investigation is completed. That leads to the folks you would like NOT to report (the 'Noles and Gators in the press) - doing what you don't want them to do - which is wildly reporting and speculating.

I can see controlling the message by UM as an excellent strategy. Only after the investigation has been concluded and the results submitted to the NCAA.

Do you really think Suzy Degan wouldn't get OCD over Young suddenly turning up missing? She asked Folden about a fcking punter 2884 times during the course of about 4 days last year. You're giving these weirdos too much credit if you don't think they'd be frothing at the mouth over trying to uncover a "story."

Beat them to the punch and get the distraction out of the way early while it has no affect on the team or preparation.

That last line is what I mean by not making it public until the university announced it.

SMD and the other media clowns would've had nothing until the story hits the internet.

 

[The Franchise]

It wasn't known until Ariz threw it out into the Internet.

I don't know that to be true. But even if it is, do you think no one else would have discovered that Young suddenly went missing once practice starts? Probably more beneficial to get this distraction out of the way during summer vacation than having a bunch of vultures swarming the coaches and players when fall practice begins.

And it's definitely beneficial to the program to have a UM man reporting actual facts and probably even trying his hardest to do the right thing by the program instead of some UF/FSU local maggot looking to put a sensational spin on "facts."

Why would there be vultures at fall camp for the second string LB?

I disagree on the benefit you stated. There is no need to let stuff like this out until the UM investigation is completed. That leads to the folks you would like NOT to report (the 'Noles and Gators in the press) - doing what you don't want them to do - which is wildly reporting and speculating.

I can see controlling the message by UM as an excellent strategy. Only after the investigation has been concluded and the results submitted to the NCAA.

Do you really think Suzy Degan wouldn't get OCD over Young suddenly turning up missing? She asked Folden about a fcking punter 2884 times during the course of about 4 days last year. You're giving these weirdos too much credit if you don't think they'd be frothing at the mouth over trying to uncover a "story."

Beat them to the punch and get the distraction out of the way early while it has no affect on the team or preparation.

That last line is what I mean by not making it public until the university announced it.

SMD and the other media clowns would've had nothing until the story hits the internet.

Why do insist on assuming that the beat writers wouldn't have asked any questions about Young going missing? They might not have known the full story, but the distraction would have been them nagging everyone including players for information on Young. Do you think there's no chance they'd reach out and try to contact Young or one of his relatives?

 

[cflacane2]

I know its tough being objective.

But lets try it this way -

What is the benefit of leaking that there is an investigation into student athletes prior to it being reported to the NCAA?

Transparency. I'm pretty sure we're still under probation till fall so in an effort to convince the NCAA that we on top of any possible infraction is key to avoiding additional penalties. The perception that the compliance office is proactive is key. It also puts the kids on notice if you **** up we aren't playing around.

How does this level of transparency (out in the public before the investigation is completed) affect the program's compliance department, and their relationship with the NCAA enforcement?

How do you know Miami was not going to announce the results of the investigation and their discussion with the NCAA to the media? They never even had a chance to do it.

Transparency, and by extension the desire to know EVERYTHING about the program, is what leads to the downfall of programs.

Loose lips sink ships.

The transparency shows we were on top of it as soon as it happend. It shows we didn't wait for a "beat reporter" to discover the improper benefits before UM made their move. As far as miami not announcing the investigation formally that could be a PR move. Selective leaks to lower tier press (no offense pete) is a proven strategy to minimize national attention. If UM made a formal statement you can bet ESPN would've ran with the story on the front page for 4-5 days and it would've been tossed around on their daily talk shows. Typically you don't see colleges make formal announcements till their findings are concluded (see the alabama secondary infractions).

Anyway that's just my theory.

Transparency works perfectly fine for the NCAA. As a matter of fact, they encourage it.

Transparency is not necessary for the public, their perception, or even consumption.

This is how you end up with ****heads like Charles Robinson and the Feast making outlandish accusations without all of the facts.

Valid points but would you rather discover Bruce was suspended in July or would you rather find out he was suspended during fall practice when college football coverage will be at it's peak. It's the equivalent of the old "friday news dump" trick.

 

[bmorecane]

You cannot suspend Bruce for doing something before he's on the team. That's just dumb, ridiculously unfair, and could really hurt us recruiting wise.

 

[Jeeperaf]

You cannot suspend Bruce for doing something before he's on the team. That's just dumb, ridiculously unfair, and could really hurt us recruiting wise.

you hit upon the crux of the matter...when did Bruce become part of the organization??

in Richt's and UM's view, that was the moment he submitted his valid LOI and UM AD accepted it...

can argue that fact as good/bad idea...just seems how Richt ran the UGA program and continues to do so.at UM...

I think Richt is doing all the right things so far from an organizational leadership and long-term success perpsective...

Go Canes.

 

[UMFarArcher]

I'm not putting anybody on "blast", I'm just reporting what happened. That's my job.

Do I like reporting on stuff like that? No, I'd rather be talking about a new commitment or something like that, but the fact of the matter is what happened, happened.

And also, I don't report stuff that players tell me. That would completely break their trust and I don't step on my sources just to be first with something.

Much rather you do the reporting when I consider the alternatives in the past years - who all sukked.

You do your job, Pete. You've done good.

 

[Ghandi]

Transparency. I'm pretty sure we're still under probation till fall so in an effort to convince the NCAA that we on top of any possible infraction is key to avoiding additional penalties. The perception that the compliance office is proactive is key. It also puts the kids on notice if you **** up we aren't playing around.

How does this level of transparency (out in the public before the investigation is completed) affect the program's compliance department, and their relationship with the NCAA enforcement?

How do you know Miami was not going to announce the results of the investigation and their discussion with the NCAA to the media? They never even had a chance to do it.

Transparency, and by extension the desire to know EVERYTHING about the program, is what leads to the downfall of programs.

Loose lips sink ships.

The transparency shows we were on top of it as soon as it happend. It shows we didn't wait for a "beat reporter" to discover the improper benefits before UM made their move. As far as miami not announcing the investigation formally that could be a PR move. Selective leaks to lower tier press (no offense pete) is a proven strategy to minimize national attention. If UM made a formal statement you can bet ESPN would've ran with the story on the front page for 4-5 days and it would've been tossed around on their daily talk shows. Typically you don't see colleges make formal announcements till their findings are concluded (see the alabama secondary infractions).

Anyway that's just my theory.

Transparency works perfectly fine for the NCAA. As a matter of fact, they encourage it.

Transparency is not necessary for the public, their perception, or even consumption.

This is how you end up with ****heads like Charles Robinson and the Feast making outlandish accusations without all of the facts.

Valid points but would you rather discover Bruce was suspended in July or would you rather find out he was suspended during fall practice when college football coverage will be at it's peak. It's the equivalent of the old "friday news dump" trick.

I want to find out when the organization has completed its investigation.

The timing of that July or September is of no consequence to me.

 

[cflacane2]

How does this level of transparency (out in the public before the investigation is completed) affect the program's compliance department, and their relationship with the NCAA enforcement?

How do you know Miami was not going to announce the results of the investigation and their discussion with the NCAA to the media? They never even had a chance to do it.

Transparency, and by extension the desire to know EVERYTHING about the program, is what leads to the downfall of programs.

Loose lips sink ships.

The transparency shows we were on top of it as soon as it happend. It shows we didn't wait for a "beat reporter" to discover the improper benefits before UM made their move. As far as miami not announcing the investigation formally that could be a PR move. Selective leaks to lower tier press (no offense pete) is a proven strategy to minimize national attention. If UM made a formal statement you can bet ESPN would've ran with the story on the front page for 4-5 days and it would've been tossed around on their daily talk shows. Typically you don't see colleges make formal announcements till their findings are concluded (see the alabama secondary infractions).

Anyway that's just my theory.

Transparency works perfectly fine for the NCAA. As a matter of fact, they encourage it.

Transparency is not necessary for the public, their perception, or even consumption.

This is how you end up with ****heads like Charles Robinson and the Feast making outlandish accusations without all of the facts.

Valid points but would you rather discover Bruce was suspended in July or would you rather find out he was suspended during fall practice when college football coverage will be at it's peak. It's the equivalent of the old "friday news dump" trick.

I want to find out when the organization has completed its investigation.

The timing of that July or September is of no consequence to me.

Then you can blame Juwon Young for lying to the staff in the first place. How much speculation have you seen about Antonio Callaway and Treon Harris once they noticed they weren't practicing with the team?