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bornagaincane said:
In the US News for best universities, Miami has dropped in ranking to 55 and tied with FSU, while the Gayturds have volted to 28. What is going on? We can’t play football and can’t do academics.
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Yeah, I’ve asked the ? to some alums if they r happy w/ Frenk in this regards. It’s been a precipitous decline since Shalala.
 
The metrics that US News uses isn't always known, and they change which ones they prioritize year after year. I know that US News's Law School rankings took tuition, average debt and cost of living and made those a higher priority over last year. Maybe that has something to do with the regular rankings as well. UM Law's amount of average debt to its employment outcomes and bar passage rate is kind of notorious nationally for being perceived as 'bad value.' If you don't get awarded a substantial scholarship and aren't open to practicing in Miami, its not advisable to attend at sticker price. Its like an east coast Pepperdine, middle ranked private school with crazy high tuition and cost of living but with a very entrenched local alumni network. If you're sure you want to live and practice in Miami long term, there's still probably no better school for that outside the top 14.
 
prg3Kane said:
The metrics that US News uses isn't always known, and they change which ones they prioritize year after year. I know that US News's Law School rankings took tuition, average debt and cost of living and made those a higher priority over last year. Maybe that has something to do with the regular rankings as well. UM Law's amount of average debt to its employment outcomes and bar passage rate is kind of notorious nationally for being perceived as 'bad value.' If you don't get awarded a substantial scholarship and aren't open to practicing in Miami, its not advisable to attend at sticker price. Its like an east coast Pepperdine, middle ranked private school with crazy high tuition and cost of living but with a very entrenched local alumni network. If you're sure you want to live and practice in Miami long term, there's still probably no better school for that outside the top 14.
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That’s dumb. Should leave out cost imo and have a seperate “best value” list if they want a place to factor that in. If you get a scholarship it becomes irrelevant.

But regardless UM needs to do much better as a traditional academic institution. BUT, crucially, it shouldn’t stop there. It should go full speed into revamping its online and non-traditional career oriented programs. That’s where the growth and disruption is right now. They don’t have anything to rival the Harvard CORe program for instance, which I’m enrolled in. They have what seems to be a decent cybersecurity program, and have a coding bootcamp licensed but is sub par from what I can tell.

There’s still tons of room to blitz that area and come on top, which is only growing to grow in popularity as the traditional liberal arts accredited model continues to wither away. They can ping me I have plenty of idea and connections in the Ed tech space.
 
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I attended Miami many, many years ago. I was dumb and naive when I started and when I graduated I was less dumb and naive. After a six year stint in the navy during the Vietnam war I continued my education which, along with what I learned in the navy, made me more less dumb and more less naive. That didn't stop me from getting married and raising kids and working my way up the ladder of success. Now I'm retired many years and I know I'm very much less dumb and less naive than I was waaaay back when.

Forget about all this crap. It doesn't matter. You continue your education, graduate, and then let living your life be your post graduate work. Do it right and you retire happy with fond memories of the past!

Listen to me...an old man making the best of what's left living in Florida (God's waiting room)
 
Hegemon said:
@TheOriginalCane

Please repost your detailed explanation as to why these rankings are not academically based.
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I did a couple of pages of responses that begins on Page 1006 of SemenHole Tears.

As you can see, only 40% of the ranking has to do with DIRECTLY-related "academic" factors: "Expert Opinion" (20%), Full-time faculty (1%), Full-time faculty with PhDs (3%), Class-size index (8%), Student-Faculty ratio (1%), SAT/ACT (5%), and HS GPA (2%).

In those 7 categories, we beat F$U in 4 and have a split-decision in 1. They only edge us on the FT Faculty (1%) and the PhD Faculty (3%). These are factors that often favor "rural" universities over "urban" universities, which tend to employ more adjunct faculty with real-life experience, rather than academics who are living the lives of hermits in tiny college towns.

Here's my spreadsheet (and be glad it's not a MAP!):

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OK, let's get down to business... In the 2022 US News & World Report rankings... There were 36 private universities ranked ahead of F$U. 8 of those private schools are Power 5. There were 18 public universities ranked ahead of F$U. 13 of those private schools are Power 5 (and 4 of the 5...
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prg3Kane said:
The metrics that US News uses isn't always known, and they change which ones they prioritize year after year. I know that US News's Law School rankings took tuition, average debt and cost of living and made those a higher priority over last year. Maybe that has something to do with the regular rankings as well. UM Law's amount of average debt to its employment outcomes and bar passage rate is kind of notorious nationally for being perceived as 'bad value.' If you don't get awarded a substantial scholarship and aren't open to practicing in Miami, its not advisable to attend at sticker price. Its like an east coast Pepperdine, middle ranked private school with crazy high tuition and cost of living but with a very entrenched local alumni network. If you're sure you want to live and practice in Miami long term, there's still probably no better school for that outside the top 14.
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Another good case study, law school rankings. For instance, using "bar passage rate" (while not unimportant) is a misleading metric. Many people do not understand the differences between "national" law schools like Miami (which teach black-letter law, not state-specific law) and "state" law schools like Florida and Stetson, which incorporate a signficant chunk of "Florida law" into every subject taught.

Not to mention, Stetson has long "taught to the test". So back when Stetson's FLORIDA bar passage rate was routinely in the mid-90s, and Miami's was in the 80's, people made a lot of hay over that statistical discrepency. And there are valid reasons that explain what is happening there, including the fact that Miami's best law grads frequently took the NY, MA, IL, or CA bar exams, and not the FL bar exam.

Regardless...does anyone in their right mind think that Stetson is a BETTER law school than Miami, a better ACADEMIC law school than Miami? Uhhh, no.

Oh well, no need to go into super-deep detail. I'll just say this.

If US News wants to delve into details like "alumni giving" and "student-loan debt", they should do so in a SEPARATE metric. Maybe "best value universities" or something similar.

But to produce only "one" ranking number, when that ranking number is made up of 60% non-directly-academic factors, is just silly.

And misleading.

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jackbenimble71 said:
..see Diversity, Equity and Inclusion infatuation better known as going woke
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I'm sure that stuff is unique to UM...no other colleges do it....

Regardless. They're status-quo, money-making machines. Its like Raytheon putting a woman in the CEO's chair, slapping a rainbow sticker on a smart bomb which incinerates a village of barefoot brown people while the corporate twitter account tweets about black history month. Lip service.
 
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garysack said:
There are a few such ranking entities. U.S. News is not the best one,
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U.S. News been doing rankings for years. We are not cutting it academically. We can do both football and academics well. We have a president that you can hardly understand when he speaks English. That’s the problem.
 
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