Please help me understand - Mario Cristobal

[brock]

We've heard of Mario being a good recruiter because he pulls "difference makers." D$ mentioned Calvin Ridley as an example. Perhaps in the first year or two, like Shannon, I can see this is possible - maybe even likely. After that, don't those recruits eventually just go back to the Clemsons, Bamas, OSUs, etc., because of winning and, well, "other incentives?"

Under my devil's advocate scenario (and you know Cristobal is not my guy), I'll respond like this:

It will not be hard for a coach to have early success with this set-up. All he needs to do is improve the defense and keep Kaaya alive. That is different than what Shannon and Golden inherited. If he hires the right defensive coordinator, we have the talent for a quick turnaround there. And if Cristobal has early success on the field and in recruiting, it becomes easier to maintain that success. I don't see him as a recruiting dunce like Erickson and Coker who will totally botch local momentum.

Of course, there are a lot of "if's" in that scenario, which is why it's a scary choice.

Understood. And, I'm playing along:

While I think, as my discussion with Medley last night showed, I'd trust what happens on defense more (how is it possible not to?), I would be highly concerned with our offense. Yes, we'll have Kaaya in the short term. He helps stabilize. But, we're about to face a bit of a change in the ACC Coastal. As one example, we have to face Narduzzi every year. I'm not saying we should lose to them, but I'm saying it's a scary thought to have someone like Coach Coley matched up against Narduzzi. It tells me we're already fighting uphill. What's more, I expect Rich Rod to be the coach of VTech. I've mentioned this in other threads. He will likely team up with Bud Foster (whose contract is still alive and well) to form a highly technical duo. I've written hundreds of posts about doing less with more or finding someone with an elite aspect, and we're potentially back to this.

I just find it disappointing that we will be seemingly scattered, once again, from a technical standpoint. And, now against some other technical guys. I get the jimmies and joes thing. However, if we've learned anything, it's that jimmies and joes look better or worse based on technical and cultural factors.

I see risk. A lot of risk. Is it possible for him to be successful? I guess so. Kevin Garnett told us anything is possiiiiiiiiible.

Bud foster won't be there for long at va tech if he ain't named the next head coach soon

 

[LuCane]

We've heard of Mario being a good recruiter because he pulls "difference makers." D$ mentioned Calvin Ridley as an example. Perhaps in the first year or two, like Shannon, I can see this is possible - maybe even likely. After that, don't those recruits eventually just go back to the Clemsons, Bamas, OSUs, etc., because of winning and, well, "other incentives?"

Under my devil's advocate scenario (and you know Cristobal is not my guy), I'll respond like this:

It will not be hard for a coach to have early success with this set-up. All he needs to do is improve the defense and keep Kaaya alive. That is different than what Shannon and Golden inherited. If he hires the right defensive coordinator, we have the talent for a quick turnaround there. And if Cristobal has early success on the field and in recruiting, it becomes easier to maintain that success. I don't see him as a recruiting dunce like Erickson and Coker who will totally botch local momentum.

Of course, there are a lot of "if's" in that scenario, which is why it's a scary choice.

Understood. And, I'm playing along:

While I think, as my discussion with Medley last night showed, I'd trust what happens on defense more (how is it possible not to?), I would be highly concerned with our offense. Yes, we'll have Kaaya in the short term. He helps stabilize. But, we're about to face a bit of a change in the ACC Coastal. As one example, we have to face Narduzzi every year. I'm not saying we should lose to them, but I'm saying it's a scary thought to have someone like Coach Coley matched up against Narduzzi. It tells me we're already fighting uphill. What's more, I expect Rich Rod to be the coach of VTech. I've mentioned this in other threads. He will likely team up with Bud Foster (whose contract is still alive and well) to form a highly technical duo. I've written hundreds of posts about doing less with more or finding someone with an elite aspect, and we're potentially back to this.

I just find it disappointing that we will be seemingly scattered, once again, from a technical standpoint. And, now against some other technical guys. I get the jimmies and joes thing. However, if we've learned anything, it's that jimmies and joes look better or worse based on technical and cultural factors.

I see risk. A lot of risk. Is it possible for him to be successful? I guess so. Kevin Garnett told us anything is possiiiiiiiiible.

Bud foster won't be there for long at va tech if he ain't named the next head coach soon

I heard otherwise. And, in a strangely specific way. We'll see what happens.

 

[brock]

We've heard of Mario being a good recruiter because he pulls "difference makers." D$ mentioned Calvin Ridley as an example. Perhaps in the first year or two, like Shannon, I can see this is possible - maybe even likely. After that, don't those recruits eventually just go back to the Clemsons, Bamas, OSUs, etc., because of winning and, well, "other incentives?"

Under my devil's advocate scenario (and you know Cristobal is not my guy), I'll respond like this:

It will not be hard for a coach to have early success with this set-up. All he needs to do is improve the defense and keep Kaaya alive. That is different than what Shannon and Golden inherited. If he hires the right defensive coordinator, we have the talent for a quick turnaround there. And if Cristobal has early success on the field and in recruiting, it becomes easier to maintain that success. I don't see him as a recruiting dunce like Erickson and Coker who will totally botch local momentum.

Of course, there are a lot of "if's" in that scenario, which is why it's a scary choice.

Understood. And, I'm playing along:

While I think, as my discussion with Medley last night showed, I'd trust what happens on defense more (how is it possible not to?), I would be highly concerned with our offense. Yes, we'll have Kaaya in the short term. He helps stabilize. But, we're about to face a bit of a change in the ACC Coastal. As one example, we have to face Narduzzi every year. I'm not saying we should lose to them, but I'm saying it's a scary thought to have someone like Coach Coley matched up against Narduzzi. It tells me we're already fighting uphill. What's more, I expect Rich Rod to be the coach of VTech. I've mentioned this in other threads. He will likely team up with Bud Foster (whose contract is still alive and well) to form a highly technical duo. I've written hundreds of posts about doing less with more or finding someone with an elite aspect, and we're potentially back to this.

I just find it disappointing that we will be seemingly scattered, once again, from a technical standpoint. And, now against some other technical guys. I get the jimmies and joes thing. However, if we've learned anything, it's that jimmies and joes look better or worse based on technical and cultural factors.

I see risk. A lot of risk. Is it possible for him to be successful? I guess so. Kevin Garnett told us anything is possiiiiiiiiible.

Bud foster won't be there for long at va tech if he ain't named the next head coach soon

I heard otherwise. And, in a strangely specific way. We'll see what happens.

He is one of the best dcoordinator in the game, why would he stay if he is not the next head coach?

 

[Salt]

We've heard of Mario being a good recruiter because he pulls "difference makers." D$ mentioned Calvin Ridley as an example. Perhaps in the first year or two, like Shannon, I can see this is possible - maybe even likely. After that, don't those recruits eventually just go back to the Clemsons, Bamas, OSUs, etc., because of winning and, well, "other incentives?"

Under my devil's advocate scenario (and you know Cristobal is not my guy), I'll respond like this:

It will not be hard for a coach to have early success with this set-up. All he needs to do is improve the defense and keep Kaaya alive. That is different than what Shannon and Golden inherited. If he hires the right defensive coordinator, we have the talent for a quick turnaround there. And if Cristobal has early success on the field and in recruiting, it becomes easier to maintain that success. I don't see him as a recruiting dunce like Erickson and Coker who will totally botch local momentum.

Of course, there are a lot of "if's" in that scenario, which is why it's a scary choice.

Another follow-up regarding Mario's actual coaching, if you don't mind. One of my personal prerequisites for a new coach is that he have an identifiable and demonstrable offensive or defensive philosophy. We know what Tom Herman runs. We're even familiar with Chud's offenses and Schiano's defenses for better or worse. Getting back to Lu's original question - what does Mario "run"? He's an offensive-minded coach, but what did he run at FIU? If he keeps Coley, do you think the Coley-Cristobal offense would run better than the Coley-Golden offense (i.e. was Golden really hamstringing Coley's playcalling?)

Coley was OC at FIU (finished 1-11) with Cristobal for 1 year then went to FSU.

 

[UMAlum21]

So are we to deduce that CRISTOBAL has been decided as the guy from this thread? Because if so I will cancel my season tickets now.

 

[LuCane]

Under my devil's advocate scenario (and you know Cristobal is not my guy), I'll respond like this:

It will not be hard for a coach to have early success with this set-up. All he needs to do is improve the defense and keep Kaaya alive. That is different than what Shannon and Golden inherited. If he hires the right defensive coordinator, we have the talent for a quick turnaround there. And if Cristobal has early success on the field and in recruiting, it becomes easier to maintain that success. I don't see him as a recruiting dunce like Erickson and Coker who will totally botch local momentum.

Of course, there are a lot of "if's" in that scenario, which is why it's a scary choice.

Understood. And, I'm playing along:

While I think, as my discussion with Medley last night showed, I'd trust what happens on defense more (how is it possible not to?), I would be highly concerned with our offense. Yes, we'll have Kaaya in the short term. He helps stabilize. But, we're about to face a bit of a change in the ACC Coastal. As one example, we have to face Narduzzi every year. I'm not saying we should lose to them, but I'm saying it's a scary thought to have someone like Coach Coley matched up against Narduzzi. It tells me we're already fighting uphill. What's more, I expect Rich Rod to be the coach of VTech. I've mentioned this in other threads. He will likely team up with Bud Foster (whose contract is still alive and well) to form a highly technical duo. I've written hundreds of posts about doing less with more or finding someone with an elite aspect, and we're potentially back to this.

I just find it disappointing that we will be seemingly scattered, once again, from a technical standpoint. And, now against some other technical guys. I get the jimmies and joes thing. However, if we've learned anything, it's that jimmies and joes look better or worse based on technical and cultural factors.

I see risk. A lot of risk. Is it possible for him to be successful? I guess so. Kevin Garnett told us anything is possiiiiiiiiible.

Bud foster won't be there for long at va tech if he ain't named the next head coach soon

I heard otherwise. And, in a strangely specific way. We'll see what happens.

He is one of the best dcoordinator in the game, why would he stay if he is not the next head coach?

I don't know the guy personally, but people who do say he prefers NOT to be a Head Coach and happens to get along well with Rich Rod. I can't talk to you about how the guy feels or why that might be the case.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

So are we to deduce that CRISTOBAL has been decided as the guy from this thread? Because if so I will cancel my season tickets now.

I would assume so.

The minute it gets announced, I'm done with UM football period.

 

[brock]

Understood. And, I'm playing along:

While I think, as my discussion with Medley last night showed, I'd trust what happens on defense more (how is it possible not to?), I would be highly concerned with our offense. Yes, we'll have Kaaya in the short term. He helps stabilize. But, we're about to face a bit of a change in the ACC Coastal. As one example, we have to face Narduzzi every year. I'm not saying we should lose to them, but I'm saying it's a scary thought to have someone like Coach Coley matched up against Narduzzi. It tells me we're already fighting uphill. What's more, I expect Rich Rod to be the coach of VTech. I've mentioned this in other threads. He will likely team up with Bud Foster (whose contract is still alive and well) to form a highly technical duo. I've written hundreds of posts about doing less with more or finding someone with an elite aspect, and we're potentially back to this.

I just find it disappointing that we will be seemingly scattered, once again, from a technical standpoint. And, now against some other technical guys. I get the jimmies and joes thing. However, if we've learned anything, it's that jimmies and joes look better or worse based on technical and cultural factors.

I see risk. A lot of risk. Is it possible for him to be successful? I guess so. Kevin Garnett told us anything is possiiiiiiiiible.

Bud foster won't be there for long at va tech if he ain't named the next head coach soon

I heard otherwise. And, in a strangely specific way. We'll see what happens.

He is one of the best dcoordinator in the game, why would he stay if he is not the next head coach?

I don't know the guy personally, but people who do say he prefers NOT to be a Head Coach and happens to get along well with Rich Rod. I can't talk to you about how the guy feels or why that might be the case.

Oh ok I see now

 

[canesrdynamite]

I think the fact that Cristobal is even included in the conversation shows you what the admin and the media think of the UM job.

Would ANY of the following schools have him in their top 20 candidates?

USC
Stanford
Texas
Michigan
Ohio State
Alabama
Oklahoma
Notre Dame


Max 8 wins in 6 seasons as head coach in the sun belt. He had some of the best facilities and recruiting classes in his conference, and his best season he was 7-6 and tied for 1st in the conference. Fired from FIU after 3-9 season. Never coordinated offense or defense. Never coached another position than OL/TE.

I love what he did as a player here, but he is not a candidate for an elite coaching position.


Are we an elite program or not? If yes, his resume shouldn't make it past the HR rep.

 

[JimmyJohnsonsHair]

I think the fact that Cristobal is even included in the conversation shows you what the admin and the media think of the UM job.

Would ANY of the following schools have him in their top 20 candidates?

USC
Stanford
Texas
Michigan
Ohio State
Alabama
Oklahoma
Notre Dame


Max 8 wins in 6 seasons as head coach in the sun belt. He had some of the best facilities and recruiting classes in his conference, and his best season he was 7-6 and tied for 1st in the conference. Fired from FIU after 3-9 season. Never coordinated offense or defense. Never coached another position than OL/TE.

I love what he did as a player here, but he is not a candidate for an elite coaching position.


Are we an elite program or not? If yes, his resume shouldn't make it past the HR rep.

This post should pinned to the top of the board and in any thread that mentions Mario as a candidate. Note for note, 100% perfectly stated.

 

[Cans4life]

There is only one thing we can do:

FLY ANTI MARIO BANNERS.

 

[WhatTheHell]

For being so well respected among his peers, and for being regarded as a great recruiter, why isn't he mentioned for any other job openings? How come Miami is the only school clamoring for Alabama's OL coach?

Anyway, as has been discussed, he's not like a coach such as Herman who excels on one side of the football. He has no schematic speciality. He's just a "high energy program builder." This is another Al Golden in every sense of the word.

I'm just in disbelief that after 2014's season, our fans haven't realized that being a "recruiter" should be pretty far down the list for our head coach.

 

[ghost2]

There is only one thing we can do:

FLY ANTI MARIO BANNERS.

That's probably the best way to get him hired...

 

[maurice3p]

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[rsa coral gables]

The bottom line is that dumb college football and Miami fans think all you need is a "recruiter" to win at Miami. Despite the fact that every coach who has won big here (not counting Coker) was a well-respected coach in other more important facets of the game.

Schnelly - NFL HC, Don Shula's OC
Jimmy Johnson - NFL HC
Butch Davis - Super Bowl winning DC
Dennis Erickson - NFL HC

We had four coaches in a row go to the NFL at one point. All of these guys were able to bring in great classes but none of these guys got hired to be NFL head coaches because of their ability to sit in a living room and convince a kid to come to Miami. They got hired to be NFL head coaches because they knew how to win football games.

A head coach's "recruiting" ability is pretty far down the list of things to consider. Recruiting success as a head coach is a function of a lot of things, but the most important of all of them is the ability to produce an exciting team that kids actually want to play for. We haven't had that in 12 years and a "recruiter" does not make that happen.

what would you consider to be the most important traits/attributes of a HBC?

 

[L A M P]

I'm convinced it's Cristobal, Chud or Schiano. Mope status engaged. The U is dead.

 

[Klamalama]

There is only one thing we can do:

FLY ANTI MARIO BANNERS.

That's probably the best way to get him hired...

BULLSCHITT

 

[NVA CANE]

Understood. And, I'm playing along:

While I think, as my discussion with Medley last night showed, I'd trust what happens on defense more (how is it possible not to?), I would be highly concerned with our offense. Yes, we'll have Kaaya in the short term. He helps stabilize. But, we're about to face a bit of a change in the ACC Coastal. As one example, we have to face Narduzzi every year. I'm not saying we should lose to them, but I'm saying it's a scary thought to have someone like Coach Coley matched up against Narduzzi. It tells me we're already fighting uphill. What's more, I expect Rich Rod to be the coach of VTech. I've mentioned this in other threads. He will likely team up with Bud Foster (whose contract is still alive and well) to form a highly technical duo. I've written hundreds of posts about doing less with more or finding someone with an elite aspect, and we're potentially back to this.

I just find it disappointing that we will be seemingly scattered, once again, from a technical standpoint. And, now against some other technical guys. I get the jimmies and joes thing. However, if we've learned anything, it's that jimmies and joes look better or worse based on technical and cultural factors.

I see risk. A lot of risk. Is it possible for him to be successful? I guess so. Kevin Garnett told us anything is possiiiiiiiiible.

Bud foster won't be there for long at va tech if he ain't named the next head coach soon

I heard otherwise. And, in a strangely specific way. We'll see what happens.

He is one of the best dcoordinator in the game, why would he stay if he is not the next head coach?

I don't know the guy personally, but people who do say he prefers NOT to be a Head Coach and happens to get along well with Rich Rod. I can't talk to you about how the guy feels or why that might be the case.

That would be a nasty combination of Rich Rod and foster.

 

[NVA CANE]

How is Mario ahead of Kirby Smart. Both are coaches under saban. How is Mario more qualified than Kirby who has been under saban for years and actually specializes in one side of the ball and is actually very good at it.

I hate the "Miami Guy," mentality. It's gonna bury this program.

 

[bshaw28]

Understood. And, I'm playing along:

While I think, as my discussion with Medley last night showed, I'd trust what happens on defense more (how is it possible not to?), I would be highly concerned with our offense. Yes, we'll have Kaaya in the short term. He helps stabilize. But, we're about to face a bit of a change in the ACC Coastal. As one example, we have to face Narduzzi every year. I'm not saying we should lose to them, but I'm saying it's a scary thought to have someone like Coach Coley matched up against Narduzzi. It tells me we're already fighting uphill. What's more, I expect Rich Rod to be the coach of VTech. I've mentioned this in other threads. He will likely team up with Bud Foster (whose contract is still alive and well) to form a highly technical duo. I've written hundreds of posts about doing less with more or finding someone with an elite aspect, and we're potentially back to this.

I just find it disappointing that we will be seemingly scattered, once again, from a technical standpoint. And, now against some other technical guys. I get the jimmies and joes thing. However, if we've learned anything, it's that jimmies and joes look better or worse based on technical and cultural factors.

I see risk. A lot of risk. Is it possible for him to be successful? I guess so. Kevin Garnett told us anything is possiiiiiiiiible.

Bud foster won't be there for long at va tech if he ain't named the next head coach soon

I heard otherwise. And, in a strangely specific way. We'll see what happens.

He is one of the best dcoordinator in the game, why would he stay if he is not the next head coach?

I don't know the guy personally, but people who do say he prefers NOT to be a Head Coach and happens to get along well with Rich Rod. I can't talk to you about how the guy feels or why that might be the case.

What Lu said - I've heard from VT people that Foster is staying as well. I heard VT likes Chad Morris, although that might be cooling off with the year SMU is having. Regardless, VT wants an Offensive guy.

If Foster wanted to be a head coach, he would've taken a job years ago when his name was much hotter.