Playoffs & Portal

obcanes

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Thoughts on modifying transfer portal rules:
1. Players on teams headed to a bowl game cannot transfer unto game played
2. Players on teams in the playoffs cannot transfer until their team is eliminated.

Seems strange allowing players to leave a time that is going bowling or making a run for the championship.
 
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Agree. Need to make sure that playoff bound kids can transfer to another school for Winter/Spring term somehow. A lot of schools have a cutoff before the national championship game.
 
Or… just don’t open the portal until after playoffs. That will also not allow college coaches to slow play early enrollee HS and JUCO players. If they recruit them and offer they then have honor that.

It would definitely cause the spring portal to go crazy though. Double edged swords either way.
 
Not well thought out. If they know they're leaving they'll just sit out anyway.

Mac Brown changed his policy to allow transferring players to play in the bowl game "if they've done the right things." Really that's his way of begging players to play in the bowl game.

Bowls don't really matter anymore. The bowls that do matter will attract more players to stay longer.

These guys only have a few years to create value for themselves before they'll be spit out and be told that at 25-27 years old they should retire and be suicidal with the only way for them to stay involved in the game they have been trained to be devoted to is to become someone who dupes the next generation for as long as they can.

They should be able to do whatever they can to maximize. If that means sitting out, transferring, whatever.
 
Or… just don’t open the portal until after playoffs. That will also not allow college coaches to slow play early enrollee HS and JUCO players. If they recruit them and offer they then have honor that.

It would definitely cause the spring portal to go crazy though. Double edged swords either way.
This, seems crazy for coaches to be finishing up early signing day, getting ready for a bowl or playoff game, and recruiting the portal.
 
Thoughts on modifying transfer portal rules:
1. Players in teams headed to a bowl game cannot transfer unto game played
2. Players in teams in the playoffs cannot transfer until their team is eliminated.

Seems strange allowing players to leave a time that is going bowling or mashing a run for the championship.
They would just sit out the bowl and transfer after the bowl. It just doesn't work. The bowl games are a thing of the past.
 
Off/on topic. Did the ladies at fsu accept their bowl bid yet or are they gonna run from uga??
 
Off/on topic. Did the ladies at fsu accept their bowl bid yet or are they gonna run from uga??
Do they even have the option to decline it? Thought the ACC agreement forces their hand due to the bowl revenue sharing agreement?
 
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Not well thought out. If they know they're leaving they'll just sit out anyway.

Mac Brown changed his policy to allow transferring players to play in the bowl game "if they've done the right things." Really that's his way of begging players to play in the bowl game.

Bowls don't really matter anymore. The bowls that do matter will attract more players to stay longer.

These guys only have a few years to create value for themselves before they'll be spit out and be told that at 25-27 years old they should retire and be suicidal with the only way for them to stay involved in the game they have been trained to be devoted to is to become someone who dupes the next generation for as long as they can.

They should be able to do whatever they can to maximize. If that means sitting out, transferring, whatever.
That’s the real question I have; How do they find a way to make bowl games matter again? I don’t think there is a way, that plane has already left the runway. Once the playoff became the “end all-be all” it basically rendered bowls meaningless. I remember bowl season being one of my favorite times of the year, and now it’s nothing more than an opt-out bonanza.
 
**** is dumb and there's not really a fix for it.

College football, those of us who have been fans for a long time or even pre-portal, know its broken.

My interest has waned significantly since all these new changes have become the norm. The conference alignment changes have sucked.

I used to follow it all, recruiting, watch a ton of games, and would be labeled as someone who knew something about most teams. Now, I watch our games and barely a handful of others during the season. Apathy has set in and our games, it's more just habit anymore than anything.
 
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That’s the real question I have; How do they find a way to make bowl games matter again? I don’t think there is a way, that plane has already left the runway. Once the playoff became the “end all-be all” it basically rendered bowls meaningless. I remember bowl season being one of my favorite times of the year, and now it’s nothing more than an opt-out bonanza.
They matter for some and others not so much… Drake Maye is a good example. I don’t think there’s anything he could at this point in a bowl game to help his stock. While I’m a team first guy, but that view is as a fan. There’s so many other things surrounding playing that could potentially work against him.

The Jake Butts situation has changed the DD to play in bowl games forever it seems
 
**** is dumb and there's not really a fix for it.

College football, those of us who have been fans for a long time or even pre-portal, know its broken.

My interest has waned significantly since all these new changes have become the norm. The conference alignment changes have sucked.

I used to follow it all, recruiting, watch a ton of games, and would be labeled as someone who knew something about most teams. Now, I watch our games and barely a handful of others during the season. Apathy has set in and our games, it's more just habit anymore than anything.
Totally agree all the way around. It’s a big gigantic swollen whorehouse where nothing but money matters. I long for the days of the Pony Express playing in the Cotton Bowl on New Year’s Day. I miss seeing Michigan or Ohio State get beat by USC or Washington every year in the Rose Bowl. The game was played for love of the team and school. Some of that is still there, but it’s been drowned out by all the things you’re talking about.

NIL isn’t bad in nature, but the complete lack of oversight, rules and regulations make it suck. What’s worse is had there been a little foresight, a framework that benefitted everyone without destroying the tradition that remained could’ve been laid out.
 
Thoughts on modifying transfer portal rules:
1. Players on teams headed to a bowl game cannot transfer unto game played
2. Players on teams in the playoffs cannot transfer until their team is eliminated.

Seems strange allowing players to leave a time that is going bowling or making a run for the championship.
If you make kids wait until after their bowl game, you "punish" players who are on better teams. Seven states are already suing the NCAA b/c they only let players transfer once, if you start saying some student can transfer before others you are just inviting more lawsuits.

If you make everyone wait until all of the bowls are done you start running into not having enough time for everyone to find a landing spot before the deadline to enroll.

It's a ****** situation that they don't currently have a good answer for, but that is part of the reason the head of the NCAA put out that wild proposal last week
 
Totally agree all the way around. It’s a big gigantic swollen whorehouse where nothing but money matters. I long for the days of the Pony Express playing in the Cotton Bowl on New Year’s Day. I miss seeing Michigan or Ohio State get beat by USC or Washington every year in the Rose Bowl. The game was played for love of the team and school. Some of that is still there, but it’s been drowned out by all the things you’re talking about.

NIL isn’t bad in nature, but the complete lack of oversight, rules and regulations make it suck. What’s worse is had there been a little foresight, a framework that benefitted everyone without destroying the tradition that remained could’ve been laid out.
Agree and don’t forget to mention Miami pounding an overrated Big 12 team in Oklahoma or Nebraska in the Orange Bowl!!!
 
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That’s the real question I have; How do they find a way to make bowl games matter again? I don’t think there is a way, that plane has already left the runway. Once the playoff became the “end all-be all” it basically rendered bowls meaningless. I remember bowl season being one of my favorite times of the year, and now it’s nothing more than an opt-out bonanza.

I believe there’s several ways to fix CFB under its current construct.

Here’s my suggestions:

1. Since they expanded the CFP to 12, just expand to 16 & I’ll explain why and how in a minute.

2. Reduce the regular season to 10 games + 1 conference title games. Have one OOS game (rotate between a G5, & P5 opponent, no more FCS), & 9 conference games. Remove divisions all together across every conference and take the two top teams to play in the conference championships.

3. The Power 4 Conference Champions will be automatically ranked as top 4 CFP seeds. One G5 conference champion will be considered the 5th seed, & then 6th - 16th seeds will be determined upon all factors including AP rankings, SOS (as it can very dependent on strength of conference), etc.

4. Do Hockey-like 4 rounds meaning highest ranked team will always play the lowest ranked remaining seeds in the following rounds.

-Sweet 16 round will be home field for highest seed.
-Elite 8 round will incorporate & rotate between two Tier 1 Bowls (Alamo, PopTarts, Citrus, Duke’s Mayo, Gator, ReliaQuest), and rotate between two NY 6 bowls
-Final 4 will incorporate & rotate between two NY6 bowls
-CFP Final will use a NY6 bowl

5. The tier 1 bowls will now be viewed as important bowls like NY6. The Tier 1 bowls & the NY6 bowl not used in rotation for the CFP will be used for CFP teams ranked 17th - 25th + 1 at large who slipped right outside to top 25 at #26. (This will all help w/ perception and revenue sharing for all the participants)

6. All other bowl games should be incentivized for both players & schools, with NIL opportunities + future partnerships with sponsors. MVPs of said bowl games get a little extra cash towards NIL earnings, and there should be be bigger cash prizes towards winners vs. losers (revenue share)

7. Portal has 2 open windows
-Only after the season is complete, including all bowl games through the beginning of Spring Practice.
-Summer B through the beginning of Fall Camp.

A student is only allowed one transfer REGARDLESS of circumstance. If a second transfer is sought, whether they are grad, undergrad, hardship, etc. they have to sit out half the season. If a student seeks a 3rd transfer, they have to sit out full year. However, the exception will be if a HC leaves or gets fired, then all transfers are allowed w/o penalty/restrictions.

8. Get rid of the Covid rule. It’s now 4 yrs removed. 6th year of eligibility is the longest allowed due to health or multiple RS reasons

9. NIL should be facilitated only by students, their representatives, & 3rd parties that are of reputable companies (i.e Coke, Pepsi, Nike, Adidas, Puma, YouTube, Bleacher Report, etc.). There should be unlimited NIL opportunities in the commercial world; however, there needs to be a dissolution of “Collectives, and booster led fundings. Boosters should be allowed to only contribute towards the betterment of a University (Academic or Athletically), but not pay for play. This needs to be completely outlawed, & regulated.

10. NCAA is the Governing Body strictly to oversee student athletes still meeting the criteria being a student (GPA, eligibility), and any ethical violations by participating members like sign stealing, visit violations, pay for play allegations, etc. That’s it; the Bowl Subcommittee, and ADs will work w/ the NCAA by not for the NCAA.
 
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Maybe it's time to put the bowls to pasture. Not really compatible with the playoff. Let's remember the bowls how they were and not how they are. It's cruel to try and keep them going like this.

Or go to a BCS - the championship game + playoff. After bowl season the playoff committee come in to select the 6 teams that get in. Top two seeds get a bye. If a team is undefeated they have to be allowed in the 6 team playoff even if it means 6 nobody teams (basically impossible).
 
I believe there’s several ways to fix CFB under its current construct.

Here’s my suggestions:

1. Since they expanded the CFP to 12, just expand to 16 & I’ll explain why and how in a minute.

2. Reduce the regular season to 10 games + 1 conference title games. Have one OOS game (rotate between a G5, & P5 opponent, no more FCS), & 9 conference games. Remove divisions all together across every conference and take the two top teams to play in the conference championships.

3. The Power 4 Conference Champions will be automatically ranked as top 4 CFP seeds. One G5 conference champion will be considered the 5th seed, & then 6th - 16th seeds will be determined upon all factors including AP rankings, SOS (as it can very dependent on strength of conference), etc.

4. Do Hockey-like 4 rounds meaning highest ranked team will always play the lowest ranked remaining seeds in the following rounds.

-Sweet 16 round will be home field for highest seed.
-Elite 8 round will incorporate & rotate between two Tier 1 Bowls (Alamo, PopTarts, Citrus, Duke’s Mayo, Gator, ReliaQuest), and rotate between two NY 6 bowls
-Final 4 will incorporate & rotate between two NY6 bowls
-CFP Final will use a NY6 bowl

5. The tier 1 bowls will now be viewed as important bowls like NY6. The Tier 1 bowls & the NY6 bowl not used in rotation for the CFP will be used for CFP teams ranked 17th - 25th + 1 at large who slipped right outside to top 25 at #26. (This will all help w/ perception and revenue sharing for all the participants)

6. All other bowl games should be incentivized for both players & schools, with NIL opportunities + future partnerships with sponsors. MVPs of said bowl games get a little extra cash towards NIL earnings, and there should be be bigger cash prizes towards winners vs. losers (revenue share)

7. Portal has 2 open windows
-Only after the season is complete, including all bowl games through the beginning of Spring Practice.
-Summer B through the beginning of Fall Camp.

A student is only allowed one transfer REGARDLESS of circumstance. If a second transfer is sought, whether they are grad, undergrad, hardship, etc. they have to sit out half the season. If a student seeks a 3rd transfer, they have to sit out full year. However, the exception will be if a HC leaves or gets fired, then all transfers are allowed w/o penalty/restrictions.

8. Get rid of the Covid rule. It’s now 4 yrs removed. 6th year of eligibility is the longest allowed due to health or multiple RS reasons

9. NIL should be facilitated only by students, their representatives, & 3rd parties that are of reputable companies (i.e Coke, Pepsi, Nike, Adidas, Puma, YouTube, Bleacher Report, etc.). There should be unlimited NIL opportunities in the commercial world; however, there needs to be a dissolution of “Collectives, and booster led fundings. Boosters should be allowed to only contribute towards the betterment of a University (Academic or Athletically), but not pay for play. This needs to be completely outlawed, & regulated.

10. NCAA is the Governing Body strictly to oversee student athletes still meeting the criteria being a student (GPA, eligibility), and any ethical violations by participating members like sign stealing, visit violations, pay for play allegations, etc. That’s it; the Bowl Subcommittee, and ADs will work w/ the NCAA by not for the NCAA.
I like your ideas about expanding to 16 teams and the playoff structure, seeding, etc. So, in essence, what we’re doing is replacing the “old school” bowl structure with playoff games instead which would give them more meaning, kids wouldn’t opt out because they’d still have a shot, admittedly small, but still a shot at a championship. Also, they’ve got to do something about these dudes who seem like they want to stay in college and play forever. Not only is it taking chances away from kids coming out of high school, but it’s just ridiculous. I think Pate said it best on his show the other day when he congratulated Bo Nix on his 18th season 😂.
 
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I believe there’s several ways to fix CFB under its current construct.

Here’s my suggestions:

1. Since they expanded the CFP to 12, just expand to 16 & I’ll explain why and how in a minute.

2. Reduce the regular season to 10 games + 1 conference title games. Have one OOS game (rotate between a G5, & P5 opponent, no more FCS), & 9 conference games. Remove divisions all together across every conference and take the two top teams to play in the conference championships.

3. The Power 4 Conference Champions will be automatically ranked as top 4 CFP seeds. One G5 conference champion will be considered the 5th seed, & then 6th - 16th seeds will be determined upon all factors including AP rankings, SOS (as it can very dependent on strength of conference), etc.

4. Do Hockey-like 4 rounds meaning highest ranked team will always play the lowest ranked remaining seeds in the following rounds.

-Sweet 16 round will be home field for highest seed.
-Elite 8 round will incorporate & rotate between two Tier 1 Bowls (Alamo, PopTarts, Citrus, Duke’s Mayo, Gator, ReliaQuest), and rotate between two NY 6 bowls
-Final 4 will incorporate & rotate between two NY6 bowls
-CFP Final will use a NY6 bowl

5. The tier 1 bowls will now be viewed as important bowls like NY6. The Tier 1 bowls & the NY6 bowl not used in rotation for the CFP will be used for CFP teams ranked 17th - 25th + 1 at large who slipped right outside to top 25 at #26. (This will all help w/ perception and revenue sharing for all the participants)

6. All other bowl games should be incentivized for both players & schools, with NIL opportunities + future partnerships with sponsors. MVPs of said bowl games get a little extra cash towards NIL earnings, and there should be be bigger cash prizes towards winners vs. losers (revenue share)

7. Portal has 2 open windows
-Only after the season is complete, including all bowl games through the beginning of Spring Practice.
-Summer B through the beginning of Fall Camp.

A student is only allowed one transfer REGARDLESS of circumstance. If a second transfer is sought, whether they are grad, undergrad, hardship, etc. they have to sit out half the season. If a student seeks a 3rd transfer, they have to sit out full year. However, the exception will be if a HC leaves or gets fired, then all transfers are allowed w/o penalty/restrictions.

8. Get rid of the Covid rule. It’s now 4 yrs removed. 6th year of eligibility is the longest allowed due to health or multiple RS reasons

9. NIL should be facilitated only by students, their representatives, & 3rd parties that are of reputable companies (i.e Coke, Pepsi, Nike, Adidas, Puma, YouTube, Bleacher Report, etc.). There should be unlimited NIL opportunities in the commercial world; however, there needs to be a dissolution of “Collectives, and booster led fundings. Boosters should be allowed to only contribute towards the betterment of a University (Academic or Athletically), but not pay for play. This needs to be completely outlawed, & regulated.

10. NCAA is the Governing Body strictly to oversee student athletes still meeting the criteria being a student (GPA, eligibility), and any ethical violations by participating members like sign stealing, visit violations, pay for play allegations, etc. That’s it; the Bowl Subcommittee, and ADs will work w/ the NCAA by not for the NCAA.
All great points. The #1 issue I see with the portal not being in Dec and May is transferring academically and the NCAA is still requiring everyone to play make believe that players are there for school.

I've always been a big everyone gets 5 seasons guy. Eliminate RS'ing and medical RS's and you get five years period.

I've always said 10 + the conf champ game as a "round 1" essentially. BUT no one wants to lose gate money by losing a home game.
 
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