"Playcalling" is not what you're complaining about

[ddann]

Let's see, Mark Richt is halfway through his 2nd season at UM, he's having to rely on mostly leftover players from the former failed regime (most notably at the most important position on the field-QB), he has the team at 7-0 and has engineered a 12 game winning streak and the team has a top 10 ranking, all of which is ahead of schedule...

But yeah, Mark Richt is holding this team back.

 

[Canezum5]

"Offensive identity" is what you're complaining about.

You can't just call a ****ing pistol formation play out of nowhere. You have to 1) have entire packages developed for the formation so the defense doesn't know immediately what you're going to do the second time you run it, 2) have spent enough time practicing this package so your players know what the **** they're doing (our only fumble was from the only I formation play we ran yesterday, because the handoff was ropey, because they probably never practice I formation) 3) have set up constraint plays for when the defense responds to it.

No playcaller is going to come in and magically change all our plays. Richt can't do it. He's committed to this offensive identity. The entire offense is built around the RPO and its constraint plays, like the bubble screen RPOs against GT. The whole playbook is supposed to function as one identity - if the defense does A in response to our base plays, then we can respond with X; if they do B, we do Y, and so on and so forth. There are no plays out of the ****ing pistol formation in the playbook. There may not be any jet sweeps. I haven't seen a single toss sweep this season so that's probably not in there - we probably don't practice it, so we can't run it.

Now, whether this offensive identity is any good is a valid discussion - but there's zero chance we can change that in the next two weeks. That's for the offseason.

No, Play Calling was exactly what I've been complaining about.

Which is why he was trying to call you an idiot without embarrassing you.

Hey, if a few of us can watch the game and call our next plays - and that's what happens two out of three times - I can assure you, I'm not the idiot.

Richt doesn't have the intuition to call plays that are required by the immediate situation.

He wants to, he means to - but he ain't got it.

Much lessor talents, much lessor teams, and even UNC which is gutted - called great plays and almost got us. That's play calling.

Half of you dont know the difference between an rpo and a zone read.

You think you know the play call because you can predict rosier decision making.

Rosiers decision making within a playcall is not the playcall itself.

A great majority of you are plum fuqin stupid and dont know **** about football or the attributes of the players on this team.

You dont know the playcalls. Shut up.

 

[UMFarArcher]

"Offensive identity" is what you're complaining about.

You can't just call a ****ing pistol formation play out of nowhere. You have to 1) have entire packages developed for the formation so the defense doesn't know immediately what you're going to do the second time you run it, 2) have spent enough time practicing this package so your players know what the **** they're doing (our only fumble was from the only I formation play we ran yesterday, because the handoff was ropey, because they probably never practice I formation) 3) have set up constraint plays for when the defense responds to it.

No playcaller is going to come in and magically change all our plays. Richt can't do it. He's committed to this offensive identity. The entire offense is built around the RPO and its constraint plays, like the bubble screen RPOs against GT. The whole playbook is supposed to function as one identity - if the defense does A in response to our base plays, then we can respond with X; if they do B, we do Y, and so on and so forth. There are no plays out of the ****ing pistol formation in the playbook. There may not be any jet sweeps. I haven't seen a single toss sweep this season so that's probably not in there - we probably don't practice it, so we can't run it.

Now, whether this offensive identity is any good is a valid discussion - but there's zero chance we can change that in the next two weeks. That's for the offseason.

No, Play Calling was exactly what I've been complaining about.

Which is why he was trying to call you an idiot without embarrassing you.

Hey, if a few of us can watch the game and call our next plays - and that's what happens two out of three times - I can assure you, I'm not the idiot.

Richt doesn't have the intuition to call plays that are required by the immediate situation.

He wants to, he means to - but he ain't got it.

Much lessor talents, much lessor teams, and even UNC which is gutted - called great plays and almost got us. That's play calling.

Half of you dont know the difference between an rpo and a zone read.

You think you know the play call because you can predict rosier decision making.

Rosiers decision making within a playcall is not the playcall itself.

A great majority of you are plum fuqin stupid and dont know **** about football or the attributes of the players on this team.

You dont know the playcalls. Shut up.

I don't know the difference between monkey **** and ape ****, but I know **** when I see it.

If you're such an understanding X and O guy - then what's our problem?

Is it possible that the plays called have too many options, too many variables? If so, adjust the plays to maybe a primary and a secondary option before deciding to take a dive back to the line of scrimmage.

You don't know the playcalls either, so maybe you need to rub a dry corncob up and down the crack of urass and put some Tabasco on it.

 

[scrantoncane]

OP is correct to a certain extent, IMO. In fact, I’ve almost started a similar thread several times over the last few weeks. It started when I came across this article a few weeks ago:

Mark Richt goes in-depth on calling plays, coaching Brad Kaaya | Canes Watch

(If someone would embed it’d be much appreciated. The relevant part of the article is Richt saying, in summation, “the plays haven’t changed over the last 30 years, it’s all about the execution.”)


Where my opinion differs from the OP is that I think the plays we have aren’t good (as opposed to lack of identity; similar, but different). I still think MR isn’t a great playcaller (a poster today mentioned how he called a run/draw to Dallas after he just sprinted 60 yards), but more importantly I think our plays are basic and dated. Route patterns (4 verts way too often), bubbles at wrong time (continuous against Cuse, who was ready for it; not enough against GT until last drive), wayyyy to much RPO for a 2nd rate QB (need a deadly accurate guy to run strictly RPO, IMO).

I’ve been calling for motion forever and a day. No misdirection (I’m not talking about reverses and those crap plays; why doesn’t our TE or slot guy ever leak open after a fake in the other direction?). Not enough feeding the guy with the hot hand (usually Berrios). Watching even lowly UNC, they would motion the WR into the backfield and fake/run a jet sweep; my eyes were always following that motion guy, so I have to imagine our guys were doing the same thing. Such easy stuff to implement that creates a competitive advantage.

Many posters point out, correctly, that Rosier has limitations. But that has nothing I do with how vanilla our offense is. To the contrary, scheming before the snap to confuse the defense would help mask those deficiencies. And I think Malik is a smart kid that would easily pick up, and thrive in, that type of offense. His limitations are after the snap, not pre-snap.




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[scrantoncane]

OP is correct to a certain extent, IMO. In fact, I’ve almost started a similar thread several times over the last few weeks. It started when I came across this article a few weeks ago:

Mark Richt goes in-depth on calling plays, coaching Brad Kaaya | Canes Watch

(If someone would embed it’d be much appreciated. The relevant part of the article is Richt saying, in summation, “the plays haven’t changed over the last 30 years, it’s all about the execution.”)


Where my opinion differs from the OP is that I think the plays we have aren’t good (as opposed to lack of identity; similar, but different). I still think MR isn’t a great playcaller (a poster today mentioned how he called a draw to Dallas after he just sprinted 60 yards), but more importantly I think our plays are basic and dated. Route patterns (4 verts way too often), bubbles at wrong time (continuous against Cuse, who was ready for it; not enough against GT until last drive), wayyyy to much RPO for a 2nd rate QB (need a deadly accurate guy to run strictly RPO, IMO).

I’ve been calling for motion forever and a day. No misdirection (I’m not talking about reverses and those crap plays; why doesn’t our TE or slot guy ever leak open after a fake in the other direction?). Not enough feeding the guy with the hot hand (usually Berrios).

Many posters point out, correctly, that Rosier has limitations. But that has nothing I do with how vanilla our offense is. To the contrary, scheming before the snap to confuse the defense would help mask those deficiencies. And I think Malik is a smart kid that would easily pick up, and thrive in, that type of offense. His limitations are after the snap, not pre-snap.




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In regards to the article I linked, that validated (in my mind) what I already thought about Richt, the OC: his offense is dated.

Contrary to what he says, the plays HAVE changed. Yes, execution is more important. But DCs have adopted and adjusted, and the elite offensive minds continue to be creative and out-scheme. Richt hasn’t and doesn’t.

A common theory I see posted is that MR (or Golden, Shannon, etc) think we can just “out-athlete” other teams, and that is why our schemes are so basic. I think that is a farce. I think we just haven’t had innovative guys calling our plays. And that is fine when we are winning championships; but when we can’t make an ACC title game in 15 years, it’s time to think outside the box.

Unfortunately, I don’t think MR is giving up play calling responsibilities any time soon. Especially not during a “sell low” period like we are in now. We just have to ride it out and hope he adjusts like he did during November last season. It’s time to abandon the RPO.


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[Hardcore Cane]

My problem was trying to digest that the RPO and Zone Read are extremely different offenses.

And they are not, very closely related

You expert coaches on here act like it’s the difference between the Spread and the Wishbone.

It’s not

 

[ObjectiveCane]

I concur with this

 

[Pearson704]

Richt must be really concerned about Malik throwing picks in the middle of the field. There's no reason why Berrios and Herndon don't have 7-8 catches each per game with slants over the middle. Homer and Dallas can make guys miss in the open field, and Thomas and Harley can run by any of our opponents defenders. Ahmmon Richards is a good player too. This shouldn't look as hard as we're making it look.

Richt only calls the plays to create mismatches. Defenses scheme to take certain things away and then Malik has to make the decisions on where the ball goes if the O-line gives him enough time to throw. It's not that simple. Add to that we don't really have a dominant o-line to create push and need to run from the spread.

Styles make fights and we'll just have to see how we match up each week. Good thing is we are versatile enough to capitalize on just about anything with the right execution.

 

[Pearson704]

My problem was trying to digest that the RPO and Zone Read are extremely different offenses.

And they are not, very closely related

You expert coaches on here act like it’s the difference between the Spread and the Wishbone.

It’s not

From the QB skillset standpoint they can be very different.

 

[Canezum5]

My problem was trying to digest that the RPO and Zone Read are extremely different offenses.

And they are not, very closely related

You expert coaches on here act like it’s the difference between the Spread and the Wishbone.

It’s not

One is a zone read that is strictly a run based upon the aggressiveness or lack thereof of the DE. The other is an option to either pass or run but not based upon the DE solely but could be a few different players. QB has to find where and who to option off for the pass or run.

So they look similar and have similarities but one has a pass the other doesn't

 

[Canezum5]

OP is correct to a certain extent, IMO. In fact, I’ve almost started a similar thread several times over the last few weeks. It started when I came across this article a few weeks ago:

Mark Richt goes in-depth on calling plays, coaching Brad Kaaya | Canes Watch

(If someone would embed it’d be much appreciated. The relevant part of the article is Richt saying, in summation, “the plays haven’t changed over the last 30 years, it’s all about the execution.”)


Where my opinion differs from the OP is that I think the plays we have aren’t good (as opposed to lack of identity; similar, but different). I still think MR isn’t a great playcaller (a poster today mentioned how he called a run/draw to Dallas after he just sprinted 60 yards), but more importantly I think our plays are basic and dated. Route patterns (4 verts way too often), bubbles at wrong time (continuous against Cuse, who was ready for it; not enough against GT until last drive), wayyyy to much RPO for a 2nd rate QB (need a deadly accurate guy to run strictly RPO, IMO).

I’ve been calling for motion forever and a day. No misdirection (I’m not talking about reverses and those crap plays; why doesn’t our TE or slot guy ever leak open after a fake in the other direction?). Not enough feeding the guy with the hot hand (usually Berrios). Watching even lowly UNC, they would motion the WR into the backfield and fake/run a jet sweep; my eyes were always following that motion guy, so I have to imagine our guys were doing the same thing. Such easy stuff to implement that creates a competitive advantage.

Many posters point out, correctly, that Rosier has limitations. But that has nothing I do with how vanilla our offense is. To the contrary, scheming before the snap to confuse the defense would help mask those deficiencies. And I think Malik is a smart kid that would easily pick up, and thrive in, that type of offense. His limitations are after the snap, not pre-snap.




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So because Mark Richt told a young athlete in peak condition to stay on the field and reward himself with a td run after he gained the yards to get down there, he cant call plays? lulz. ok buddy.

Basic and dated? The RPO/zone read mix is the most up to date offensive concept in football. Its what majority high octane offenses today use and its quite simple for most remotely athletic qb that struggle to pick up advanced concepts. So you're basically calling most of the good offenses in CFB vanilla and dated. OK

Its something you've never seen Richt run in his career but its dated.



Stop with the four verts stuff man. You haven't charted a game and cant validate that at all. We literally have a poster dissecting the games and routes that has yet to mention this. But some of you idiots keep saying this shid and its not true.

If you hate it so much tell us how many times we run it a game and show its how its a detriment to the offense.

Its not easy to implement and use motion. Its a bunch of window dressing that doesn't fool well coached teams often. Hence, why UNC isn't winning any big games or championships.

I think the RPO with or without all of the window dressing is still a potent offense. I just don't get what you guys want us to implement in accordance to the talent we have.

Our Offensive line gets blown up way too much to implement any **** offense. The good thing is theyre in great shape and play better as defenses get tired.

We are winning. Even with a limited oline and qb that are both streaky and inconsistent. The offense we have works with proper execution and its far from vanilla.

His limitations are presnap and post snap. are you serious. The kid cant read a defense at all.

He is confused as fuq for most or all of every 1st half. This is the same kid that admitted to not watching film or studying.

He has major presnap limitations.

I swear you guys don't watch these games.

If you do then you clearly don't know football.

At least give us a plan to discuss what offenses youd run and why based upon personnel.

Yall just complaining.

 

[Loose Cannon]

Ive said it multiple times. Rosier is limited. He is too pre meditated and wildly inaccurate. He can't even throw a **** swing pass or bubble. Couple that with an inconsistent offensive line and you have a stagnant offense.

Richt is masking rosiers inconsistencies the best he can.

You guys have no idea how to deduce the difference in bad play and bad coaching.

Richt aint perfect by any means. No coach is. But no way you can watch the **** we put on film and think this is just bad offensive coaching

Replace Rosier and the same thing was said about Kaaya last year. I'm guessing when the next QB takes over the same things will be said about him.

We have schematic issues. Richt has done a great job overall as a HC but Richt the OC is lacking, from the scheme to the playcalling to some personnel choices.

No OC is going to scheme around dropped passes. You cannot fix streaky accuracy with more complex route trees. When you have these particular problems, you get LESS complex, not more.

 

[Canezum5]

No, Play Calling was exactly what I've been complaining about.

Which is why he was trying to call you an idiot without embarrassing you.

Hey, if a few of us can watch the game and call our next plays - and that's what happens two out of three times - I can assure you, I'm not the idiot.

Richt doesn't have the intuition to call plays that are required by the immediate situation.

He wants to, he means to - but he ain't got it.

Much lessor talents, much lessor teams, and even UNC which is gutted - called great plays and almost got us. That's play calling.

Half of you dont know the difference between an rpo and a zone read.

You think you know the play call because you can predict rosier decision making.

Rosiers decision making within a playcall is not the playcall itself.

A great majority of you are plum fuqin stupid and dont know **** about football or the attributes of the players on this team.

You dont know the playcalls. Shut up.

I don't know the difference between monkey **** and ape ****, but I know **** when I see it.

If you're such an understanding X and O guy - then what's our problem?

Is it possible that the plays called have too many options, too many variables? If so, adjust the plays to maybe a primary and a secondary option before deciding to take a dive back to the line of scrimmage.

You don't know the playcalls either, so maybe you need to rub a dry corncob up and down the crack of urass and put some Tabasco on it.

:q3XKXeX:

 

[iLoveTDs]

The passing attack is the biggest disappointment for me. I'd like to see more mesh/rub routes.

Also, most of the WRs run pretty crappy routes for a lot of the game (no precision in and out of cuts).

JT and BB are hit or miss with it. On JT's TD route - he sets his man up perfectly. I don't see that same precision in our short passing game.

Get the defender on his heels before running your slant or square in (we don't do it). The out routes are a joke - give the defender a step in before breaking the route out (we don't do it).

And Herndon is the worst of the bunch. LBs just sit on him all day. Easiest TE to cover in CFB.

Some of it is Richt's passing attack is bland and predictable - but some of it is crappy route running.

In the end it all falls on the HC/OC.

 

[Loose Cannon]

No, Play Calling was exactly what I've been complaining about.

Which is why he was trying to call you an idiot without embarrassing you.

Hey, if a few of us can watch the game and call our next plays - and that's what happens two out of three times - I can assure you, I'm not the idiot.

Richt doesn't have the intuition to call plays that are required by the immediate situation.

He wants to, he means to - but he ain't got it.

Much lessor talents, much lessor teams, and even UNC which is gutted - called great plays and almost got us. That's play calling.

Half of you dont know the difference between an rpo and a zone read.

You think you know the play call because you can predict rosier decision making.

Rosiers decision making within a playcall is not the playcall itself.

A great majority of you are plum fuqin stupid and dont know **** about football or the attributes of the players on this team.

You dont know the playcalls. Shut up.

I don't know the difference between monkey **** and ape ****, but I know **** when I see it.

If you're such an understanding X and O guy - then what's our problem?

Is it possible that the plays called have too many options, too many variables? If so, adjust the plays to maybe a primary and a secondary option before deciding to take a dive back to the line of scrimmage.

You don't know the playcalls either, so maybe you need to rub a dry corncob up and down the crack of urass and put some Tabasco on it.

I think he has pretty much laid out what he thinks the problem is. We have as our best option at QB a guy who by his own admission never even took playing QB seriously until Kaaya was injured and he had to start the Duke game.

Our guy has 8 whole games under his belt and he never even once watched game film until right before game 1. The problem around here is that the above is an unpopular opinion. That it happens to be true is irrelevant. You have guys who see Homer get stuffed and automatically call out Richt's play calling, then in the very next comment openly admit that they don't know what a zone read is or that Rosier's read should have been to keep the ball.

I think it's remarkable that Rosier has been able to accomplish what he so far has, given his very limited experience. I think it is perfectly acceptable to acknowledge that as well as point out how his lack of experience has limited the offense. We've done pretty good with a limited offense. We've done **** good with that limited offense when you consider that we are without the ACC's top returning RB, and the best WR in the ACC has been limited to nearly zero practice time. The difference between beating Syracuse by 8 and 30 was 4 dropped passes. Not the play calling that led to those receivers being wide open for sure TD's.

 

[DTP]

You have to play the hand your dealt. The coaches know what their players can/can't do and have to tailor the play calling around that. They know the offensive line struggles to run block and they have to use the pass to set up the run. The play calling this season is light years better than it was last year when they were trying to force a bunch of I formation power plays that never worked. Unfortunately they're handcuffed by not just the line but also Rosier. I give him all the credit in the world for keeping cool under fire and stepping up as a leader but physically, he's just not good enough. His accuracy is his biggest hindrance. When you get as much press man as we're seeing and you can't run the ball consistently, you have really two options. You can kill them with the slant or go deep. The slant is a basic play but ball placement is the difference between picking up 7+ yards or getting one or two with no run after catch. Same with the bubble or swing pass. It's not enough to throw a catchable ball, you need to lead your receiver so he can have momentum after he makes the catch. Too many times, our receivers have to adjust or wait on a poorly thrown ball only to get tackled as soon as they make the catch. Seriously, there were too long catch and run plays against NC (one to Herndon and one to Homer) the rest of the completions literally picked up nothing after the catch. The short passing game is worthless without RAC. All you're doing is picking up two or three yards a play.

Now, there are some things they can do to change it up a bit that won't require massive, wholesale changes to the playbook. Especially in the redzone. But before you bash the plays and play calling you have to realize what they're working with. An offensive line that can't consistently run block. A quarterback that struggles with accuracy especially on short yardage throws and the fact that you only have one actual running back. I mean, how many plays can you expect Homer to contribute to?

 

[2Focusd804]

OP is correct to a certain extent, IMO. In fact, I’ve almost started a similar thread several times over the last few weeks. It started when I came across this article a few weeks ago:

Mark Richt goes in-depth on calling plays, coaching Brad Kaaya | Canes Watch

(If someone would embed it’d be much appreciated. The relevant part of the article is Richt saying, in summation, “the plays haven’t changed over the last 30 years, it’s all about the execution.”)


Where my opinion differs from the OP is that I think the plays we have aren’t good (as opposed to lack of identity; similar, but different). I still think MR isn’t a great playcaller (a poster today mentioned how he called a run/draw to Dallas after he just sprinted 60 yards), but more importantly I think our plays are basic and dated. Route patterns (4 verts way too often), bubbles at wrong time (continuous against Cuse, who was ready for it; not enough against GT until last drive), wayyyy to much RPO for a 2nd rate QB (need a deadly accurate guy to run strictly RPO, IMO).

I’ve been calling for motion forever and a day. No misdirection (I’m not talking about reverses and those crap plays; why doesn’t our TE or slot guy ever leak open after a fake in the other direction?). Not enough feeding the guy with the hot hand (usually Berrios). Watching even lowly UNC, they would motion the WR into the backfield and fake/run a jet sweep; my eyes were always following that motion guy, so I have to imagine our guys were doing the same thing. Such easy stuff to implement that creates a competitive advantage.

Many posters point out, correctly, that Rosier has limitations. But that has nothing I do with how vanilla our offense is. To the contrary, scheming before the snap to confuse the defense would help mask those deficiencies. And I think Malik is a smart kid that would easily pick up, and thrive in, that type of offense. His limitations are after the snap, not pre-snap.




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So because Mark Richt told a young athlete in peak condition to stay on the field and reward himself with a td run after he gained the yards to get down there, he cant call plays? lulz. ok buddy.

Basic and dated? The RPO/zone read mix is the most up to date offensive concept in football. Its what majority high octane offenses today use and its quite simple for most remotely athletic qb that struggle to pick up advanced concepts. So you're basically calling most of the good offenses in CFB vanilla and dated. OK

Its something you've never seen Richt run in his career but its dated.



Stop with the four verts stuff man. You haven't charted a game and cant validate that at all. We literally have a poster dissecting the games and routes that has yet to mention this. But some of you idiots keep saying this shid and its not true.

If you hate it so much tell us how many times we run it a game and show its how its a detriment to the offense.

Its not easy to implement and use motion. Its a bunch of window dressing that doesn't fool well coached teams often. Hence, why UNC isn't winning any big games or championships.

I think the RPO with or without all of the window dressing is still a potent offense. I just don't get what you guys want us to implement in accordance to the talent we have.

Our Offensive line gets blown up way too much to implement any **** offense. The good thing is theyre in great shape and play better as defenses get tired.

We are winning. Even with a limited oline and qb that are both streaky and inconsistent. The offense we have works with proper execution and its far from vanilla.

His limitations are presnap and post snap. are you serious. The kid cant read a defense at all.

He is confused as fuq for most or all of every 1st half. This is the same kid that admitted to not watching film or studying.

He has major presnap limitations.

I swear you guys don't watch these games.

If you do then you clearly don't know football.

At least give us a plan to discuss what offenses youd run and why based upon personnel.

Yall just complaining.

It's actually not difficult to implement motion or jet sweeps during the week. This is high school or below level stuff. A lot of teams add/take away plays and formations week to week so saying earlier that we can't just "add the pistol" is also false, especially this late in the season.

UNC uses the motions and jetsweeps very effectively. Even with a desimated roster they were able to score 19 points against a defense they were way less talented than with a 3rd string QB. The window dressings are designed to help teams with lack of talent as you stated we were. You really believe that UNC oline is more talented than ours? Or UNC dline more talented than ours?

You say Rosier can't make reads (although how you can decipher that without all 22 film is amazing since unless it's a short route you can't see it run not can you see the secondary). Part of the purpose of motion is it helps to determine zone or man this helping the QB who can't read a defense.

Rosier has certainly struggled with accuracy and decision making and been widely inconsistent no way you can argue against that but has Richt done everything possible to put not only Rosier in the best possible situation? I think that's debatable at best and worth discussing

I'm under the impression Richt is no idiot so I'm sure he is saving some things for VT, plz fake the bubble and hit the 9 route, so we'll see how the conversation changes after sat night

 

[2Focusd804]

Also about the run game. We've struggled to block the inside and outside zone. We've had more success with the buck sweep (which pulls lineman to that poster that said we never pull people). Being in the shotgun limits the types of runs you can call but you can run power (down block and pull the backside guard) and traps (let the 3 tech get of fieeld, offside guard pulls and uses the angle to kick him out the hole ) to help out the oline and RB. You can even run counter depending on RB depth in the backfield and how athletic the oline is

 

[Canezum5]

OP is correct to a certain extent, IMO. In fact, I’ve almost started a similar thread several times over the last few weeks. It started when I came across this article a few weeks ago:

Mark Richt goes in-depth on calling plays, coaching Brad Kaaya | Canes Watch

(If someone would embed it’d be much appreciated. The relevant part of the article is Richt saying, in summation, “the plays haven’t changed over the last 30 years, it’s all about the execution.”)


Where my opinion differs from the OP is that I think the plays we have aren’t good (as opposed to lack of identity; similar, but different). I still think MR isn’t a great playcaller (a poster today mentioned how he called a run/draw to Dallas after he just sprinted 60 yards), but more importantly I think our plays are basic and dated. Route patterns (4 verts way too often), bubbles at wrong time (continuous against Cuse, who was ready for it; not enough against GT until last drive), wayyyy to much RPO for a 2nd rate QB (need a deadly accurate guy to run strictly RPO, IMO).

I’ve been calling for motion forever and a day. No misdirection (I’m not talking about reverses and those crap plays; why doesn’t our TE or slot guy ever leak open after a fake in the other direction?). Not enough feeding the guy with the hot hand (usually Berrios). Watching even lowly UNC, they would motion the WR into the backfield and fake/run a jet sweep; my eyes were always following that motion guy, so I have to imagine our guys were doing the same thing. Such easy stuff to implement that creates a competitive advantage.

Many posters point out, correctly, that Rosier has limitations. But that has nothing I do with how vanilla our offense is. To the contrary, scheming before the snap to confuse the defense would help mask those deficiencies. And I think Malik is a smart kid that would easily pick up, and thrive in, that type of offense. His limitations are after the snap, not pre-snap.




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So because Mark Richt told a young athlete in peak condition to stay on the field and reward himself with a td run after he gained the yards to get down there, he cant call plays? lulz. ok buddy.

Basic and dated? The RPO/zone read mix is the most up to date offensive concept in football. Its what majority high octane offenses today use and its quite simple for most remotely athletic qb that struggle to pick up advanced concepts. So you're basically calling most of the good offenses in CFB vanilla and dated. OK

Its something you've never seen Richt run in his career but its dated.



Stop with the four verts stuff man. You haven't charted a game and cant validate that at all. We literally have a poster dissecting the games and routes that has yet to mention this. But some of you idiots keep saying this shid and its not true.

If you hate it so much tell us how many times we run it a game and show its how its a detriment to the offense.

Its not easy to implement and use motion. Its a bunch of window dressing that doesn't fool well coached teams often. Hence, why UNC isn't winning any big games or championships.

I think the RPO with or without all of the window dressing is still a potent offense. I just don't get what you guys want us to implement in accordance to the talent we have.

Our Offensive line gets blown up way too much to implement any **** offense. The good thing is theyre in great shape and play better as defenses get tired.

We are winning. Even with a limited oline and qb that are both streaky and inconsistent. The offense we have works with proper execution and its far from vanilla.

His limitations are presnap and post snap. are you serious. The kid cant read a defense at all.

He is confused as fuq for most or all of every 1st half. This is the same kid that admitted to not watching film or studying.

He has major presnap limitations.

I swear you guys don't watch these games.

If you do then you clearly don't know football.

At least give us a plan to discuss what offenses youd run and why based upon personnel.

Yall just complaining.

It's actually not difficult to implement motion or jet sweeps during the week. This is high school or below level stuff. A lot of teams add/take away plays and formations week to week so saying earlier that we can't just "add the pistol" is also false, especially this late in the season.

UNC uses the motions and jetsweeps very effectively. Even with a desimated roster they were able to score 19 points against a defense they were way less talented than with a 3rd string QB. The window dressings are designed to help teams with lack of talent as you stated we were. You really believe that UNC oline is more talented than ours? Or UNC dline more talented than ours?

You say Rosier can't make reads (although how you can decipher that without all 22 film is amazing since unless it's a short route you can't see it run not can you see the secondary). Part of the purpose of motion is it helps to determine zone or man this helping the QB who can't read a defense.

Rosier has certainly struggled with accuracy and decision making and been widely inconsistent no way you can argue against that but has Richt done everything possible to put not only Rosier in the best possible situation? I think that's debatable at best and worth discussing

I'm under the impression Richt is no idiot so I'm sure he is saving some things for VT, plz fake the bubble and hit the 9 route, so we'll see how the conversation changes after sat night

Ok. Its not about the fact that we CANT do it. Of course we can do it. But when we do it are we crisp and lining
up correctly? For a team that hasn't used much of any motion in years that is having trouble executing at a high level, consistently, I don't think its so easy and elementary to start using.

Hopefully its something that we have been practicing and implementing. Im sure Richt wants to use every advantage possible. If the advantage turns into penalties that kill drives Richt aint about that life

Making sure more than 1 player has motion capability is key as well. its not something so easy implemented when you want to use it as a tactic to successfully attack college defenses.

It has to be a part of something you do. part of your identity. It isn't always successful and I know because the Tennessee Titans use tons of it and I hate it when I watch film on gamepass because the shid doesn't fool anyone.

IF You want sick motion then RIcht should consult with Chris Peterson. He has mastered that. But his entire team can usually do it so you cant key on the specific formations and plays that are built off the motion.

Motion kills multiple birds with 1 stone so its not like you can use it to just see the defensive coverage. Some defenses play multiple coverage looks in the secondary. Having someone follow the motion man showing man coverage only to have the rest of the defense play zone.

It doesn't always open up the coverage.

Furthermore. The game is usually broadcasted mostly from the booth cameras with an all 22 look. The condensed version of the game released by the acc network is also from the booth with mostly all 22 looks .Sure they zoom sometimes but its nothing like An nfl broadcast where you don't know what tf is happening.

Its a great discussion. I think Richts expectations are too high at times and he can have some bad calls. I don't see that as him being a bad OC just yet. too many plays left on the field.

 

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OP is correct to a certain extent, IMO. In fact, I’ve almost started a similar thread several times over the last few weeks. It started when I came across this article a few weeks ago:

Mark Richt goes in-depth on calling plays, coaching Brad Kaaya | Canes Watch

(If someone would embed it’d be much appreciated. The relevant part of the article is Richt saying, in summation, “the plays haven’t changed over the last 30 years, it’s all about the execution.”)


Where my opinion differs from the OP is that I think the plays we have aren’t good (as opposed to lack of identity; similar, but different). I still think MR isn’t a great playcaller (a poster today mentioned how he called a run/draw to Dallas after he just sprinted 60 yards), but more importantly I think our plays are basic and dated. Route patterns (4 verts way too often), bubbles at wrong time (continuous against Cuse, who was ready for it; not enough against GT until last drive), wayyyy to much RPO for a 2nd rate QB (need a deadly accurate guy to run strictly RPO, IMO).

I’ve been calling for motion forever and a day. No misdirection (I’m not talking about reverses and those crap plays; why doesn’t our TE or slot guy ever leak open after a fake in the other direction?). Not enough feeding the guy with the hot hand (usually Berrios). Watching even lowly UNC, they would motion the WR into the backfield and fake/run a jet sweep; my eyes were always following that motion guy, so I have to imagine our guys were doing the same thing. Such easy stuff to implement that creates a competitive advantage.

Many posters point out, correctly, that Rosier has limitations. But that has nothing I do with how vanilla our offense is. To the contrary, scheming before the snap to confuse the defense would help mask those deficiencies. And I think Malik is a smart kid that would easily pick up, and thrive in, that type of offense. His limitations are after the snap, not pre-snap.




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So because Mark Richt told a young athlete in peak condition to stay on the field and reward himself with a td run after he gained the yards to get down there, he cant call plays? lulz. ok buddy.

Basic and dated? The RPO/zone read mix is the most up to date offensive concept in football. Its what majority high octane offenses today use and its quite simple for most remotely athletic qb that struggle to pick up advanced concepts. So you're basically calling most of the good offenses in CFB vanilla and dated. OK

Its something you've never seen Richt run in his career but its dated.



Stop with the four verts stuff man. You haven't charted a game and cant validate that at all. We literally have a poster dissecting the games and routes that has yet to mention this. But some of you idiots keep saying this shid and its not true.

If you hate it so much tell us how many times we run it a game and show its how its a detriment to the offense.

Its not easy to implement and use motion. Its a bunch of window dressing that doesn't fool well coached teams often. Hence, why UNC isn't winning any big games or championships.

I think the RPO with or without all of the window dressing is still a potent offense. I just don't get what you guys want us to implement in accordance to the talent we have.

Our Offensive line gets blown up way too much to implement any **** offense. The good thing is theyre in great shape and play better as defenses get tired.

We are winning. Even with a limited oline and qb that are both streaky and inconsistent. The offense we have works with proper execution and its far from vanilla.

His limitations are presnap and post snap. are you serious. The kid cant read a defense at all.

He is confused as fuq for most or all of every 1st half. This is the same kid that admitted to not watching film or studying.

He has major presnap limitations.

I swear you guys don't watch these games.

If you do then you clearly don't know football.

At least give us a plan to discuss what offenses youd run and why based upon personnel.

Yall just complaining.

It's actually not difficult to implement motion or jet sweeps during the week. This is high school or below level stuff. A lot of teams add/take away plays and formations week to week so saying earlier that we can't just "add the pistol" is also false, especially this late in the season.

UNC uses the motions and jetsweeps very effectively. Even with a desimated roster they were able to score 19 points against a defense they were way less talented than with a 3rd string QB. The window dressings are designed to help teams with lack of talent as you stated we were. You really believe that UNC oline is more talented than ours? Or UNC dline more talented than ours?

You say Rosier can't make reads (although how you can decipher that without all 22 film is amazing since unless it's a short route you can't see it run not can you see the secondary). Part of the purpose of motion is it helps to determine zone or man this helping the QB who can't read a defense.

Rosier has certainly struggled with accuracy and decision making and been widely inconsistent no way you can argue against that but has Richt done everything possible to put not only Rosier in the best possible situation? I think that's debatable at best and worth discussing

I'm under the impression Richt is no idiot so I'm sure he is saving some things for VT, plz fake the bubble and hit the 9 route, so we'll see how the conversation changes after sat night

Ok. Its not about the fact that we CANT do it. Of course we can do it. But when we do it are we crisp and lining
up correctly? For a team that hasn't used much of any motion in years that is having trouble executing at a high level, consistently, I don't think its so easy and elementary to start using.

Hopefully its something that we have been practicing and implementing. Im sure Richt wants to use every advantage possible. If the advantage turns into penalties that kill drives Richt aint about that life

Making sure more than 1 player has motion capability is key as well. its not something so easy implemented when you want to use it as a tactic to successfully attack college defenses.

It has to be a part of something you do. part of your identity. It isn't always successful and I know because the Tennessee Titans use tons of it and I hate it when I watch film on gamepass because the shid doesn't fool anyone.

IF You want sick motion then RIcht should consult with Chris Peterson. He has mastered that. But his entire team can usually do it so you cant key on the specific formations and plays that are built off the motion.

Motion kills multiple birds with 1 stone so its not like you can use it to just see the defensive coverage. Some defenses play multiple coverage looks in the secondary. Having someone follow the motion man showing man coverage only to have the rest of the defense play zone.

It doesn't always open up the coverage.

Furthermore. The game is usually broadcasted mostly from the booth cameras with an all 22 look. The condensed version of the game released by the acc network is also from the booth with mostly all 22 looks .Sure they zoom sometimes but its nothing like An nfl broadcast where you don't know what tf is happening.

Its a great discussion. I think Richts expectations are too high at times and he can have some bad calls. I don't see that as him being a bad OC just yet. too many plays left on the field.

fair enough points, I didn't realize that about the ACC network release. I'm about to re-watch the game now