"Playcalling" is not what you're complaining about

[DiegoCane]

Actually part of an OCs job is to cover up weaknesses. A good offensive scheme can help a QB or OL a lot. It can create mismatches and give QBs easy throws. It can move the pocket so a short QB can get a clear line of site. It can move defenders eyes so it isn't as simple as see ball, tackle ball.

UNC gave up 300+ rushing to GTech, ND, UL. 150+ to VTech, Duke, UVA. 100+ to Old Dominion, Cal. We got 59 yesterday. Probably don't have the talent of those teams so what can you do, right?

I don't understand why people get so upset when you criticize Richt's offense. It's clearly not preforming up to its talent level.

Why is LSU’s offense still garbage under Matt Canada?

As for UNC, you know the transitive property doesn’t work like that. Our offense moved the ball better against Syracuse and Georgia Tech than Clemson did. Our offense was better against Duke than Virginia Tech.

Every game is different.


And BTW, I’m not arguing coaching is irrelevant. I just think the OC complaints are overblown.

I haven't watched LSU much this year so can't really say what the problem is, looks like they are similar to last year. I would guess the will be improved in year 2.

As far as UNC, I was making a point that their D is inept. We hit about 5 big plays and did nothing else.

I don't think the OC complaints are overblown, this is year 2 and it looks the same as year 1. I was hopeful we would have seen some added wrinkles from year 1. We will be fine for the most part when we can out talent the opposing team, although yesterday wasn't good vs an inept D. Against good Ds we are going to struggle and ask our QB to fit balls into a lot of tight windows.

 

[Canezum5]

We clearly dont have the oline and Tes to bowl over any team so Richt has designed our run offense through a mix of Rpo, zone read, and shotgun handoffs.

The **** works if Rosier runs it right.

With this personnel what would work better?

 

[Canezum5]

When did unc defense become inept?

Thats the only good part of their team this entire season.

 

[paksat]

Offensive line offensive line offensive line

Those scrubs got trashed by NORTH CAROLINA

 

[gogeta4]

you know your playcalling aint all that when your on year 2 ....and folks are waiting for you to open it up...Not realizing that bih is wide open..thats all you got. lol

I seen against syracuse a shift at one point in the game...and that was it. Theirs no wrinkles or anything it is what it is...were going to have to bring in superior athletes...lucky for us we can.

 

[DiegoCane]

When did unc defense become inept?

Thats the only good part of their team this entire season.

108th out of 130th in the nation. 87th in ypp. 108th vs the run (after only giving up 59 to us).

 

[Hurricanemike32]

"Personnel and Depth" is what you're complaining about.

You can't just call a ****ing pistol formation play out of nowhere. You have to 1) have entire packages developed for the formation so the defense doesn't know immediately what you're going to do the second time you run it, 2) have spent enough time practicing this package so your players know what the **** they're doing (our only fumble was from the only I formation play we ran yesterday, because the handoff was ropey, because they probably never practice I formation) 3) have set up constraint plays for when the defense responds to it.

No playcaller is going to come in and magically change all our plays. Richt can't do it. He's committed to this offensive identity. The entire offense is built around the RPO and its constraint plays, like the bubble screen RPOs against GT. The whole playbook is supposed to function as one identity - if the defense does A in response to our base plays, then we can respond with X; if they do B, we do Y, and so on and so forth. There are no plays out of the ****ing pistol formation in the playbook. There may not be any jet sweeps. I haven't seen a single toss sweep this season so that's probably not in there - we probably don't practice it, so we can't run it.

Now, whether this offensive identity is any good is a valid discussion - but there's zero chance we can change that in the next two weeks. That's for the offseason.

FIFY, name me a non WR/TE on this team who will be drafted higher than Round 4 (i don't count donaldson as a true frosh)

Jonathan Garvin...unless you don’t count that true frosh as a true frosh either.

 

[canes614]

I know one of the longest running jokes around is that we are going to open up the play book.

I am hoping this the week we actually do.

(Seriously)
Meaning something that they have have not seen on film this year. Whether it is a reverse, a flea-flicker, Halfback pass by Gray or Dallas, just something to make them think twice about their game plan and preparation.
I also want to see more up tempo.

I'm not a big gadget play guy but other teams have been killing us this season with them and we havent tried a single one. Dallas was a QB in high school, should have a WR pass play with him. When the O is consistency struggling a nice gadget play can give a big boost and keep the D on its toes.

The only things this offense need to do is block better, catch everything, and throw accurately.

Blocking is key the game is won in the trenches.....still need to add a wrinkle or two every week to surprise defenses. It's hard to execute properly when the D knows exactly what you're going to do.

 

[UMFarArcher]

"Offensive identity" is what you're complaining about.

You can't just call a ****ing pistol formation play out of nowhere. You have to 1) have entire packages developed for the formation so the defense doesn't know immediately what you're going to do the second time you run it, 2) have spent enough time practicing this package so your players know what the **** they're doing (our only fumble was from the only I formation play we ran yesterday, because the handoff was ropey, because they probably never practice I formation) 3) have set up constraint plays for when the defense responds to it.

No playcaller is going to come in and magically change all our plays. Richt can't do it. He's committed to this offensive identity. The entire offense is built around the RPO and its constraint plays, like the bubble screen RPOs against GT. The whole playbook is supposed to function as one identity - if the defense does A in response to our base plays, then we can respond with X; if they do B, we do Y, and so on and so forth. There are no plays out of the ****ing pistol formation in the playbook. There may not be any jet sweeps. I haven't seen a single toss sweep this season so that's probably not in there - we probably don't practice it, so we can't run it.

Now, whether this offensive identity is any good is a valid discussion - but there's zero chance we can change that in the next two weeks. That's for the offseason.

No, Play Calling was exactly what I've been complaining about.

 

[iLoveTDs]

When did unc defense become inept?

Thats the only good part of their team this entire season.

108th out of 130th in the nation. 87th in ypp. 108th vs the run (after only giving up 59 to us).

It's mostly because of one game (Lousiville put up 700).

They have the 8th toughest SOS, and held VT to under 400 yards of offense. Also held ND to 33 (and ND had a non-offensive TD and owned TOP).

Their defense isn't horrible. Their offense is - which is why it was troubling seeing us struggle against them.

 

[Canezum5]

Thats what happens when you dont watch games. Smh. No coach watching uncs defense will tell you theyre bad. No matter how good you are. If your offense and special teams suck and constantly put you on the field and in bad situations your stats are going to look bad. Argument over.

Stats dont tell a full story. Thats why its important to watch the games.

 

[AdrianP]

We don't have an offensive identity because we don't have a qb capable of giving us consistent qb play. hard to come up with one when you're spending all your time trying to cover up for his limitations.

 

[DiegoCane]

When did unc defense become inept?

Thats the only good part of their team this entire season.

108th out of 130th in the nation. 87th in ypp. 108th vs the run (after only giving up 59 to us).

It's mostly because of one game (Lousiville put up 700).

They have the 8th toughest SOS, and held VT to under 400 yards of offense. Also held ND to 33 (and ND had a non-offensive TD and owned TOP).

Their defense isn't horrible. Their offense is - which is why it was troubling seeing us struggle against them.

Inept may be strong word. They aren't good though.

Cal averages 364 ypg, UNC gave up 469
UL 533 ypg, UNC gave up 705
Duke 352, UNC gave up 388
GTech 433, UNC gave up 456
ND 467, UNC gave up 487
UVA 379, UNC gave up 405
VTech 467, UNC gave up 383

Held 1 team under their average going into our game.

 

[gogeta4]

We don't have an offensive identity because we don't have a qb capable of giving us consistent qb play. hard to come up with one when you're spending all your time trying to cover up for his limitations.

It was also the same thing last year as well....so were going to have to wait till he gets "his qb" in?. Im just saying..a lot will rest on Perry...because his other qb find doesnt even start in high school.

I think we do have an offensive identity...its the rpo...and thats pretty much it. The issue is when a team reacts or forces an issue on it ...what do we have to counter?. What do we have to threaten or impose the will or get them in positions they dont want?. ( a few games we did force our will..bubble screem to death game).

Knowing what we have at qb...Richt i dont think dumbed his o down..i also dont think he has done rosier much favors though he hasnt moved the pocket one time this year. I mean i was a little weary last year when he ran rpo with brad kayaa constantly..knowing he wouldnt be a threat as a runner.

Richt as an oc is AVG. HC hes above avg. When the talent level is closer or above like what well see in the next 2 weeks..lets see our counterpunches. Im excited.

 

[Canezum5]

We don't have an offensive identity because we don't have a qb capable of giving us consistent qb play. hard to come up with one when you're spending all your time trying to cover up for his limitations.

Facts!

This offense would be wide tf open if Rosier was more consistent and wasnt so premeditated.

If he made consistent reads teams really wouldnt be able to defend us.

Rpo and zone read look similar. If rosier made good reads in both with accurate throws we would be pretty **** hard to defend.

Wtf do you mean there arent wrinkles? There are plenty but its dependent on rosier.

You guys think that's too much for Rosier? Well what would be an easier system for our talent.

We can clearly see the physical limitations so lets be smart about what we suggest.

So please id love to know your ideas

 

[Torocane]

I'm far from an expert but it doesn't seem like we do much at all to create favorable match ups for our WR's or TE's.

 

[Texxcane]

Well one thing about it we will soon find out about how good MR really is, Bud Foster's defense will tell us. It ain't no secret what he's gonna do either. Rosier is not a great qb as many have said, sometimes he couldn't hit a bull in the *** with a bass fiddle!, but once in awhile he gets hot. MR needs to come up with his best game plan to date this week, lets see how he does

 

[Hardcore Cane]

Ok, I’ve not broke down any game film at all. In my eyes , there is a severe lack of variety just from watching the offense through 7 games.

I’m not putting anybody at fault but after watching 30+ years of football, like I said above, no variety.

For all you technical junkies you can tell me if I’m wrong but here’s what I see with our RPO.

1). QB takes the snap and either hands off and the back goes to the B gap or maybe C

2). Or QB keeps and takes around D gap

That’s what I see from our running game. Simplistic and easily stopped in my opinion. I haven’t seen sweeps, tosses or anything of that nature.
Maybe it’s getting blown up so I’m missing the attempts.

Our running game consists of primarily 2 gaps from what I’ve seen.

Am I wrong?

Like I said I’m not purring anyone down, playcallers or players. I’m just trying to understand why there is not much variety.

 

[Canezum5]

Ok. Thats the zone read. Not the rpo. But the beauty and deception is that they look similar.

Since both concepts call for the qb to playaction the ball into the rbs gut people confuse the two.

In the zone read the qb wants the backside de to crash hard on the rb fake so he can hit the d gap as you stated.

The rpo is an option play. Not a zone read. Its an option to run or pass.

With the combination of the two you can really have a potent offense that fools defenses because they look so similar.

Its the best offense to run for limited passers with decent to good athleticism.

Iike lamar jackson... he's running that zone read/rpo to a science.

Its hard to defend.

If rosier was making the right reads and throwing an accurate short to intermediate ball. You would see how dynamic this offense can be.

If rosier cant run that system then he doesnt need to play here and you all should lower your expectations.

 

[NorthEastCane]

GTech, Notre Dame, Bama, USF & UGA are all top 10 teams in Rushing.

USF is 1st in 3rd down conversion rate, Virginia is 8th, LVille is 14th, UGA & Clemson are 22nd.

UGA is the #1 ranked team in Red Zone scoring, we've only had 5 rushing TD's to 11 FG's scored from the Red Zone.

Oh St, Ok St, Bama, Okla, Notre Dame & Penn St are all top 15 in scoring Offense.

We have 11INT's as a Defense and are 91st in points off Turnovers.

The point being, maybe play calling isn't the issue, fine I won't argue that, but someone tell me why we're leaving so many points on the field?

I won't even mention ND's numbers, but Duke rushed for 186yds vs UNC, LVille rushed for 312yds vs UNC, Va Tech rushed for 181yds vs UNC, **** even Cal rushed for 106yds s UNC.

Why are we still struggling to run the ball? Didn't yall say we would be better without Walton?

Look, I'm NOT saying Richt is a terrible play caller or anything like that & the fact we're still undefeated I'm absolutely happy about it.

I'm just asking if its not play calling & it's identity, then what is the solution? Is it possible to score over 30 every once in a while? Is it too much to ask to not have a close game with 1-7 UNC?

Again, not bashing Richt at all, I just don't get why our Offense seems to struggle and have so many stalled drives?

I'm not being an ******* either, if I'm just wrong in my assessment I have no problem with saying so & willing to listen to anybody that has a legit answer to my questions.

Four of five OL are rather poor at run blocking. The one good on is a true freshman. That coupled with the inability (for whatever reason) to hit intermediate routes to force linebackers to drop into coverage leads to poor run blockers trying to man up against 7-8 in the box. As much as I liked Walton, he disappeared in games trying to run against that. It's the same for any back, I don't care if we had Jim Brown.

Richt drilled into Rozier the need to protect the ball that was the primary reason why he thought Rozier could never play for him. I hope he didn't over compensate by avoiding the middle of the field. That may have worked for the easier part of the schedule but we going against teams that have their own playoffs designs. Hurricane Vision's post's show that the routes are being run and guys are open. He's got to grow a pair of balls and go to them early and often rather then to wait until the game's on the line. Make the defense pay for a few of those then watch how the LBs drop into coverage and the running lanes begin to reappear.