Plan for TE position next season?

Arroyo had the fourteenth most receiving yards of any tight end in FBS in 2024. And that was in a year where some tight ends had ridiculous numbers.

Eli Stowers led all FBS tight ends in receiving yards in 2025 with 769. Arroyo’s 590 yards would have made him the #8 tight end in the nation in 2025. Kenyon Sadiq is probably going to be the first tight end drafted this year and he had 560 yards.

Essentially, if your tight end finishes with over 400 receiving yards in a season, he’s getting a lot of use. College football doesn’t usually have 1,000 yard tight ends.
Agreed. To say that we under-utilized him is a stretch.

I think Dawson will utilize a TE if he has the right one. That said, next year might not be the most optimal time to do it with the depth of WR talent we have. We got to get the ball to Toney, Barkate, Vaughn, Moore, et al.
 
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That’s mostly because 2024 was a wild year for tight ends. Multiple 1000 yard receivers and one dude who had over 1500 which is unheard of for a tight end. If you compare Arroyo’s 2024 numbers to pretty much every other season in recent history, they’re significantly better. Elite FBS tight ends are generally averaging around 600-700 yards.
He’d be 8th in yards and 21st in catches and 22nd in targets in 2025. He was 25th in targets in 2024. He played with 0 NFL talent WRs and I’d argue was by far the most explosive play threat TE in 2024, yet was 25th in targets in the #2 passing attack in the country. His catch and run against GT showed that catch and run ability but we rarely used it.
 
He’d be 8th in yards and 21st in catches and 22nd in targets in 2025. He was 25th in targets in 2024. He played with 0 NFL talent WRs and I’d argue was by far the most explosive play threat TE in 2024, yet was 25th in targets in the #2 passing attack in the country. His catch and run against GT showed that catch and run ability but we rarely used it.
I guess you could say we could have targeted him more but was that because we purposely didn’t call plays for him? Or maybe the quarterback didn’t look his way enough? I don’t know. But either way being 25th in targets when there are over 130 teams isn’t exactly what I’d call being ignored.

To me, it looks like we utilize a tight end more often than most when we actually have one worth utilizing. Should we have targeted Cam McCormick or Alex Bauman more in 2023 and 2025?
 
Arroyo had the fourteenth most receiving yards of any tight end in FBS in 2024. And that was in a year where some tight ends had ridiculous numbers.

Eli Stowers led all FBS tight ends in receiving yards in 2025 with 769. Arroyo’s 590 yards would have made him the #8 tight end in the nation in 2025. Kenyon Sadiq is probably going to be the first tight end drafted this year and he had 560 yards.

Essentially, if your tight end finishes with over 400 receiving yards in a season, he’s getting a lot of use. College football doesn’t usually have 1,000 yard tight ends.
And mind you this is with 3 wrs having 50 catches and 600 plus yards, and our wr4 having 36 for 500.

And you still have idiots on here saying we underused tight ends..lmao no we were loaded at wr that year, arroyo still produced alot and this year our tight ends sucked so the production went down
 
I don’t worry about TE because even with elite talent at the position (Arroyo) Dawson does not run a system that uses the TE well.

35-590 Arroyo 2024
23-218 Lofton 2025

And Arroyo had a 70 and 50+ yard TD if I remember correctly against GT and VT. So really not many targets or production regardless of talent level at the position.

The fact we line up a TE in the slot on passing downs is mind boggling to me.
11 personnel is our most used personnel package, we run the ball alot out of it. If we took the tight end out then guess what the defense knows now? Guess what they will know when we put the tight end back in?

This isn’t madden bro lol, like yes we probably could use more 10p but its literally an easy tell to the defense and goes against the foundation of our offense
 
I guess you could say we could have targeted him more but was that because we purposely didn’t call plays for him? Or maybe the quarterback didn’t look his way enough? I don’t know. But either way being 25th in targets when there are over 130 teams isn’t exactly what I’d call being ignored.

To me, it looks like we utilize a tight end more often than most when we actually have one worth utilizing. Should we have targeted Cam McCormick or Alex Bauman more in 2023 and 2025?
I think we’re arguing the same points but from different directions. My point is, if we’re not going to target a TE (Bauman and McCormick) why do we have them on the field on passing downs. Bauman played 600+ snaps? To me if we’re not looking their way, and even with Arroyo only being targeted 45x in 13 games, why have them on the field in those obvious passing downs.
 
11 personnel is our most used personnel package, we run the ball alot out of it. If we took the tight end out then guess what the defense knows now? Guess what they will know when we put the tight end back in?

This isn’t madden bro lol, like yes we probably could use more 10p but its literally an easy tell to the defense and goes against the foundation of our offense
I watched McCormick line up in the slot on a 3rd and 12+ in 2024. Bauman the same this past year. That’s not keeping a defense honest that’s taking an actual receiving threat off the field.
 
And mind you this is with 3 wrs having 50 catches and 600 plus yards, and our wr4 having 36 for 500.

And you still have idiots on here saying we underused tight ends..lmao no we were loaded at wr that year, arroyo still produced alot and this year our tight ends sucked so the production went down
Idiots? lol. The guy with the highest YPC on the team in 2024 had the least amount of targets out of the top 5 pass catchers. Analytics would have me question with that kind of output why is he not being targeted more.
 
I watched McCormick line up in the slot on a 3rd and 12+ in 2024. Bauman the same this past year. That’s not keeping a defense honest that’s taking an actual receiving threat off the field.
Thats why i said we could use 10p more but everyone basically calling for us to do it alot doesn’t understand a TEs role. The main problem is we have to get better TEs in the building
Idiots? lol. The guy with the highest YPC on the team in 2024 had the least amount of targets out of the top 5 pass catchers. Analytics would have me question with that kind of output why is he not being targeted more.
Yes idiots, at least on this subject. We had a historically great passing offense, #1 in literally every any analytic you pick and you’re telling me we should have said hey stop what you’re doing because the tight ends isn’t getting enough targets lmao?

Also cherry picking a stat like ypc to make this point when arroyo averaged only 0.6 yards more than our leading wr is why i say these takes are idiotic

And its even more nonsense when you mention tight ends targets as if being a receiver is their only job. This is the root of the issue, yall don’t actually understand the role of TEs.
 
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I guess you could say we could have targeted him more but was that because we purposely didn’t call plays for him? Or maybe the quarterback didn’t look his way enough? I don’t know. But either way being 25th in targets when there are over 130 teams isn’t exactly what I’d call being ignored.

To me, it looks like we utilize a tight end more often than most when we actually have one worth utilizing. Should we have targeted Cam McCormick or Alex Bauman more in 2023 and 2025?
Is there some issue with the 2024 offense I'm not aware of? The offense that wasd #1 in nearly every category?
 
I think we’re arguing the same points but from different directions. My point is, if we’re not going to target a TE (Bauman and McCormick) why do we have them on the field on passing downs. Bauman played 600+ snaps? To me if we’re not looking their way, and even with Arroyo only being targeted 45x in 13 games, why have them on the field in those obvious passing downs.
I think a lot of it has to do with substitution packages. Defenses decide what personnel package they’re going to use based solely on who’s in the opposing huddle. If they see 11 personnel they have to at least respect the possibility of a run play. They don’t know where the tight end is going to line up until it’s too late to sub. It’s why almost every team uses 11 personnel a majority of the time even if they don’t have a receiving threat at tight end. Having a possible sixth blocker on the field drastically affects defensive personnel and play call.
 
I think a lot of it has to do with substitution packages. Defenses decide what personnel package they’re going to use based solely on who’s in the opposing huddle. If they see 11 personnel they have to at least respect the possibility of a run play. They don’t know where the tight end is going to line up until it’s too late to sub. It’s why almost every team uses 11 personnel a majority of the time even if they don’t have a receiving threat at tight end. Having a possible sixth blocker on the field drastically affects defensive personnel and play call.
If people understood this this wouldn’t be a conversation, we just have to upgrade the te room

The biggest value arroyo brought wasn’t just him being a great receiving threat, it was him being a high level inline blocker. That gave us the biggest advantage, we can sit in the same personnel al game and block like we have another lineman and pass like we have another wr

If you sub in an extra db for him we are running right at you, if you sub in a lb then we’re gonna kill you thru the air
 
TE1: Gilbert - 6'7 260
TE2/3: Carver/Mueller - 6'6 255+
TE/Half-Back: Elijah.

If ANY of the big TE's can catch a seam route, Elijah will not be our starter or even our TE2.

Ideally, as much as it hurts my fanhood, Elijah will be our starting FB or old school HB (move-end).
 
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Yes, 1- who in that group has proven they can make an impact?

I guess Lofton was the Andujar y Associates Spring POTY in '25
Lofton has shown the ability to make plays but seemed to be injured much of 2025. He is more of a utility player than a traditional tight end. He can be an impact player if used properly and healthy.

The remainder of the room is very young and that’s just the way it is.

I’m hoping Gilbert can be the guy.
 
Lofton has shown the ability to make plays but seemed to be injured much of 2025. He is more of a utility player than a traditional tight end. He can be an impact player if used properly and healthy.

The remainder of the room is very young and that’s just the way it is.

I’m hoping Gilbert can be the guy.
I can recall he's made play, not plays
 
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