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Manny had a chance to do something special here and install a spread offense that no one here has ever seen with our athletes. Instead he went “cutting edge” and hired Enos...give me a run first smash mouth spread.....and btw #12 for them is a baller
 
canecat said:
Ugh . He did well when Jarren was healthy and I suspect he will do so again. BUT make no mistake he has to show some progress between now and the bowl game for sure but I put 70% of the offense on the young Oline and Williams getting hurt. But the 0ther 30 is on him.

But even when he improves 90% of this message board will deny it . As they would rather be right then a better team. But that is message board fan for you . Let's give it time and a healthy Williams . Our O looked good many times when he was healthy besides the OL and I suspect we will again .
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A Reasonable post until the 2nd paragraph. The first 3 sentences of the 2nd paragraph were complete and utter ridiculousness. Why do so many people here chose to engage in these types of nonsensical paranoid fantasies? "Rather be right than a better team"? Where does this insanity come from?

Nobody really cares about being "right" whatever the fack that means. What people care about is consistently winning football games that we should win. What people care about is putting the best possible product on the field. What people care about is player development. What people care about are smart coaches who consistently maximize our ability while hiding our weaknesses. The people who have been bashing Manny and his "staff" predicting losses and even welcoming them(this includes me) aren't bad fans. They are hard core fans. We are fans that want this administration to care about the program as much as we do. We hate seeing this program in the state it is currently in. Naturally I want Miami to win but if an embarrassing loss or losses puts an end to this current staffs tenure here and gives us yet another chance to hire a good head coach then I'm in. Our program deserves better and I want to see good competent coaches who will build this brand back up again instead of being stuck in the mediocre football purgatory we have been in for the better part of 2 decades.

As far as Enos is concerned, I think he is a good QB coach but a decidedly mediocre OC. Yes the OL, penalties, FG kicker and an injury to Williams didn't do him any favors but I'm sorry the guy blows. His scheme is comprised of randomly throwing things against the wall hoping that something sticks. Now that it seems as though the penalties have been eliminated for the most part, the OL is improving in pass pro and his guy Williams is healthy again, Enos will have an opportunity to try to put it all together on offense for the stretch run. If Enos gets it figured out and we start moving the ball and scoring points I will be the first to congratulate him. Why wouldn't I? Because I have said he sucks before and I don't want to be proven wrong? Of course not! It would be much easier if Manny and staff turned it completely around and proved many of us wrong. I would be ecstatic! I just don't see it happening because the entire team seems like it is the victim of sub par coaching.

@canecat Nothing personal against you. I was just fired up to make my point.
 
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SayWhat said:
Let's cut the ****.

Yes, the OL sucks. That means no matter how good our QB's, any of them, could potentially be, they'll never get there. Why? Simple, they are never comfortable.

On to Enos. Make no mistake about it, he could show better than he is with better OL play. Would it ever be at a high level, **** no. Put him on Bama right now. Their points drop. Guy has some of the worst instincts I've seen as a play caller and his pre-snap formations are trash. His motion looks like some **** a dumbass would draw up while thinking to themselves, yup, this will work.

Nobody we've faced respects our OL in that they overload the box. They have largely been playing zone with the backers sitting on the play. Pitt did a good job of pressing our receivers and that should be everyone's game plan. Press and drop to zone. Our OL won't hold up long enough for them to get open on a consistent basis and we don't have the physical receivers to make that pay.

QB's, nobody will be successful in this system with that line in front of them. Not just our QB's, any QB in the country. So all this infighting about Williams, Perry, and bring on Tate is silly.

Guy needs to go, but it isn't all on him is all I'm saying. Long term, he isn't the solution if we have championship dreams one day. Even if the OL steps up some, defenses will bring more pressure. That would even the odds sometimes, but then we're back to square one as the OL won't ever improve that much.
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Bingo!! Just take a look at Wisconsin and Iowa. That offense don't win championships anymore. Only makes you respectable. Enos sold Manny big lies. Hopefully, he out and if not Manny is risking his dream job for Enos.
 
Kendall Boy Cane said:
Throughout the year, we've seen some glimpses of good from Enos' playbook:
  • First drive against Florida
  • A few drives in North Carolina
  • Opening and the 2 final drives against Virginia (we got one (1) 1st down between these drives)
That's all I can remember from the season where his offense was functioning as intended. Early on, we chucked up the inefficiencies to undisciplined penalties, bad field position, and poor offensive line play.

Fast forward to today:
  • 3 first half turnovers, all close to or in opposing territory
  • 0 first half penalties
  • 0 first half sacks
The 3 areas in which we thought hindered our offense were absent for a majority of the game and we still only mustered 150 yards and 10 points for 95% of the game.

We are in for a world of hurt if there isn't a change here soon.
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I'm praying for Chad Morris to get fired at Arkansas and for Dan Enos to co-OC at GA.
 
I see how people may stick up for manny here, but Penos? Even if you want to blame the O-Line you have to remember that’s his guy he chose to hire from cmu. The same cmu he could only muster 17 points against.
 
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Kosi was off on a lot of throws today, but we seem enough of this dude.
 
TruCane81 said:
It’s ugly because we keep hiring coordinators who are terrible fits.

It has been said time and time again. This offense is in the same position as it was during the four game losing streak in 2016. The same fix that got us out of that funk would get us out of this one.

The sad thing is, if you put Richt and Enos into a blender and pulled out their best stuff, you would almost have an offense capable of scoring the 30 points a game we should be getting.

You would have a heavy dose of Richt’s inside zone but run less predictably with quarterbacks who throw much better than Malik when you playaction or rpo off it.

You would have a versatile screen and rpo game.

Only thing missing is commitment to the three step drop as the identity of the passing offense with more short breaking routes.
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how are we going to score 30 pts a game with our oline.doesn't matter who you hire,what scheme you run or how many steps a qb drops back if the oline isn't doing it's job.can't blame enos for the oline or the offense sucking rocks.it was like that years before he got hired.leach,briles,Riley and whomever else you want to name would have trouble getting this offense productive with this line of ours.doesn't matter who's hired next if they don't make the oline a priority.
 
Twhizman said:
how are we going to score 30 pts a game with our oline.doesn't matter who you hire,what scheme you run or how many steps a qb drops back if the oline isn't doing it's job.can't blame enos for the oline or the offense sucking rocks.it was like that years before he got hired.leach,briles,Riley and whomever else you want to name would have trouble getting this offense productive with this line of ours.doesn't matter who's hired next if they don't make the oline a priority.
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We don’t get zero yards and zero points.

There are things we do that work better than others.

We would build rhythm if we committed to and expanded on those things.

People were making the same excuses during the four game losing streak in 2016.

When Richt changed the offense, production exploded, we went on a win streak and won our only bowl game in ages.

The offensive line was terrible then too. Remember the Virginia tech game in 2016? Yeah it was bad.

If Richt was as stubborn as Enos, we might not have made a bowl, let alone win one.

This thing can turn around quick. SCHEME DOES MATTER.
 
TruCane81 said:
We don’t get zero yards and zero points.

There are things we do that work better than others.

We would build rhythm if we committed to and expanded on those things.

People were making the same excuses during the four game losing streak in 2016.

When Richt changed the offense, production exploded, we went on a win streak and won our only bowl game in ages.

The offensive line was terrible then too. Remember the Virginia tech game in 2016? Yeah it was bad.

If Richt was as stubborn as Enos, we might not have made a bowl, let alone win one.

This thing can turn around quick. SCHEME DOES MATTER.
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Those are good points but if cmr would've made shoring up the oline his priority the first day we wouldn't be in this mess.any good coach knows it all starts up front on both sides of the ball.if you don't have it up front defense's especially a good one wi!I eat the offense up all game long and any scheme you run won't work.
 
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Dude said:
I'm praying for Chad Morris to get fired at Arkansas and for Dan Enos to co-OC at GA.
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Plenty of teams in the big 10 or sec wouldn’t mind a guy of Enos’ pedigree.

UGA is ok too, but there is lots of room to land on his feet.

Hopefully he does us a solid and chooses to take a job with a team he fits better.
 
Twhizman said:
Those are good points but if cmr would've made shoring up the oline his priority the first day we wouldn't be in this mess.any good coach knows it all starts up front on both sides of the ball.if you don't have it up front defense's especially a good one wi!I eat the offense up all game long and any scheme you run won't work.
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This is a really good point.

This most definitely is Richt, and to some extent, Golden’s fault for the quagmire at offensive line.

When I looked up the classes for 2015 and 2016, I almost fell out of the chair. Those classes would be our redshirt seniors and juniors.

The self sanctions have to stop. We MUST evaluate, coach, and develop better with lower ranked recruits for the long term. We can’t continue chasing blue chippers and throwing our hands up. There are players all over that will sign and we have to develop them.

Just check this out from the team that retired Richt.

www.optimumscouting.com

News: How Wisconsin Consistently Produces NFL Offensive Linemen - Optimum Scouting

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So what makes Wisconsin special? What is it about the Badgers’ program that allows them to continually churn out NFL level offensive linemen?

“Coaching,” said Brandon Thorn, who covers offensive and defensive line play for USA Football as well as multiple media outlets. “Everyone playing as one and being on the same page. They’re coached well to see through one set of eyes.” Thorn also stressed that Wisconsin offensive linemen all seem to possess an often forgotten piece of the puzzle in the evaluation. “A clear focus on the fundamentals of the position.” In a time where athleticism is more of an emphasis than ever, Wisconsin continues to pound away at the basics.

While you would expect a school so highly thought of in this regard to have their pick of the litter in recruiting for offensive linemen, some of the more prominent players to come through the Badgers’ program in recent memory have been anything but before their time in Madison. Ryan Ramczyk, a first-round pick of the New Orleans Saints in 2017 who started all 16 games as a rookie, was a Division III transfer from Wisconsin-Stevens Point. Rick Wagner, the highest-paid right tackle in the NFL at the time his contract was signed (now second-highest), was a basketball player in high school and came to Madison as a walk-on tight end. One of the first linemen to set the standard of what the UW offensive line would become was Joe Panos, who was a walk-on at Wisconsin and started 56 games in his career.
 
TruCane81 said:
This is a really good point.

This most definitely is Richt, and to some extent, Golden’s fault for the quagmire at offensive line.

When I looked up the classes for 2015 and 2016, I almost fell out of the chair. Those classes would be our redshirt seniors and juniors.

The self sanctions have to stop. We MUST evaluate, coach, and develop better with lower ranked recruits for the long term. We can’t continue chasing blue chippers and throwing our hands up. There are players all over that will sign and we have to develop them.

Just check this out from the team that retired Richt.

www.optimumscouting.com

News: How Wisconsin Consistently Produces NFL Offensive Linemen - Optimum Scouting

www.optimumscouting.com www.optimumscouting.com


So what makes Wisconsin special? What is it about the Badgers’ program that allows them to continually churn out NFL level offensive linemen?

“Coaching,” said Brandon Thorn, who covers offensive and defensive line play for USA Football as well as multiple media outlets. “Everyone playing as one and being on the same page. They’re coached well to see through one set of eyes.” Thorn also stressed that Wisconsin offensive linemen all seem to possess an often forgotten piece of the puzzle in the evaluation. “A clear focus on the fundamentals of the position.” In a time where athleticism is more of an emphasis than ever, Wisconsin continues to pound away at the basics.

While you would expect a school so highly thought of in this regard to have their pick of the litter in recruiting for offensive linemen, some of the more prominent players to come through the Badgers’ program in recent memory have been anything but before their time in Madison. Ryan Ramczyk, a first-round pick of the New Orleans Saints in 2017 who started all 16 games as a rookie, was a Division III transfer from Wisconsin-Stevens Point. Rick Wagner, the highest-paid right tackle in the NFL at the time his contract was signed (now second-highest), was a basketball player in high school and came to Madison as a walk-on tight end. One of the first linemen to set the standard of what the UW offensive line would become was Joe Panos, who was a walk-on at Wisconsin and started 56 games in his career.
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here's a good example Nebraska in the 70s,80s&90s under Osborne had the same philosophy as Wisconsin.even had a walk on program for olinemen.forgot who took over for osborn e when he retired but when Nebraska fired him the olinemen program was dropped and you see where they are today.
 
go look at where FSU's offense ranks this year vs. kendall briles' past offenses. is kendall briles a worse coach or does a horrible offensive line put a ceiling on what any OC can do?

enos is not getting fired anyway. does OP wanna go to the moon too?
 
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