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RightSaidFred said:
I don't know. We'll be improved no doubt, but I still think we have a ways to go. I mean I think we win 10 games, but a naysayer might point out....

Our LBs are way too light in the ***. We're massively undersized there and that might hurt us in the run defense and taking on OL especially late in the season and late in games

Our DEs are talented but undersized somewhat

Our WR are too skinny. Every one of them are about 10 to 15 lbs too light so we might struggle getting off the line and struggle in the red zone and contested catch situations

I love our transfers and I like the guys we have but we're still a skinny team except for the OL, which by comparison is massive.

Also we struggled a lot with things like communication and just understanding assignments and calls last year, and it cost us games. The difference in the FSU game last year was a BS non-call on a safety and about 6 or 7 miscommunications/missed assignments on the OL and on defense.

Finally, we still commit too many dumb penalties.

So basically what I'm saying is this team has potential to be very good but whether they actually are or not depends on how hard they work this offseason. I'm hoping that our team culture is strong enough this year that the team is dialed in and getting after it now hard.
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Usually you walk the line pretty well between trolling and adding logic

This is not one of those times
 
Pressure either makes diamonds, or causes the weak to wither and crumble.

No more excuses, win games Mario. This is your team, your staff, in a weak conference. You’ve got the QB, the RB, the OL, the WRs, the DL, and some talent at LB.

Let’s make it work.
 
Jesscane said:
Gators are not in the top 25
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Not true. Phil bases his top 25 off where he thinks teams will finish, which DOES include UF in top 25 (#19).

According to Phil, UM comes in at #10 and has 4 top 25 opponents this upcoming season
(#14 FSU, #16 VT, #19 UF & #23 UL).
 
JHallCanes said:
Usually you walk the line pretty well between trolling and adding logic

This is not one of those times
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It's just data. Here are the average heights and weights at the NFL Combine. So I consider that a standard for what an NFL-ready body type would be, and for what Miami players should be trying to get to around their Jr and Sr years.

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Here are Miami's heights and weights by our projected starters:

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The biggest gaps are WR, DE, and LB.

Data isn't trolling, it's just data.
 
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calinative umstudent said:
uh our top 4 LBs by all accounts are Mauigoa (230lbs), Bissainthe (222lbs), Alderman (230lbs), and Aguirre (233lbs). And those are what they are listed at. Mauigoa, Alderman, and Aguire could all be playing closer to 240 than 230 right now for all we know. And 240lbs is like the heaviest you really will seen NFL linebackers right now... So really have no clue what you're talking about there about us being way too light in the *** and massively undersized. Even our backups - Bobby Washington is 220lbs, Adarius Hayes is 230lbs. The only light in the *** guys are like Chase Smith and Cam Pruitt.

our DE's are undersized?
WRs too skinny?
You're absolutely trippin. Our DEs consist of two guys that are 270 flirting with 280. And we have two more pure ends who are 250-260ish. That isn't small. Is your point that we aren't long? Sure, but all those guys are proven successful. Again are you exclusively talking about our incoming freshman EDGEs like Pickett, LIghtfoot, and Rudolph? Aka guys that aren't in the 2 deep? Our WRs are too skinny? George and Ray Ray, maybe. The rest, no. And George just played an entire season and was 3rd in yards in the ACC (and had highest ypc of guys that finished in top 8 in yards), 4th in TDs. Restrepo definitely isn't skinny. And Sam Brown is just built well at 6'2" 200. Horton is "skinnier" than him, but not like he's small at 6'4" 205lbs... And I have zero doubt Jojo is going to be built pretty well, and not someone you'd describe as skinny.

.... Size will have nothing to do with whether we are great or not this season. The funny part is the one position I could even get the criticism regarding size is probably DT, yet you didn't even mention that lol.
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Same answer as to the other guy...

These are average heights and weights from the combine:

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These are Miami's listed hts and weights:

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We're probably better than most ACC teams but there are guys like Jacolby George, Wesley Bissainthe and Tyler Baron who need to hit the squat rack if the numbers are right.
 
JHallCanes said:
Woke up today and said I’ll be nicer here

Thats what I get for lying to myself
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You're right. I could stand to be a better person as well. Please disregard my "Define 'usually'." comment.

See, I'm already 33% nicer. You elevate us all.
 
RightSaidFred said:
Same answer as to the other guy...

These are average heights and weights from the combine:

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These are Miami's listed hts and weights:

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We're probably better than most ACC teams but there are guys like Jacolby George, Wesley Bissainthe and Tyler Baron who need to hit the squat rack if the numbers are right.
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lol using averages to talk about Edge/LB is dumb. 34 DEs are going to be far bigger than 43 EDGEs. MLB/Sams are going to be heavier than Will LBs. And if they are actually 34 lb they definitely going to be bigger than off ball lbs

The top lbs in the draft:
Payton Wilson 233
Edgerrrin Cooper 230
Junior Colson 238
Marist Liufao 234
Trevon Wallace 237
Tommy Eochenberg 233
Jordan Magee 228
Cedric Gray 234

Hmm tough for that to average above 238lbs lol. The average you’re providing is at least 10lbs over average.

And trust me the same thing will be true at edge

So again you’re using us being to small basically entirely based on Jacolby George. Who already was one of the best producing WRs in the ACC last year
 
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RightSaidFred said:
It's just data. Here are the average heights and weights at the NFL Combine. So I consider that a standard for what an NFL-ready body type would be, and for what Miami players should be trying to get to around their Jr and Sr years.

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Here are Miami's heights and weights by our projected starters:

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The biggest gaps are WR, DE, and LB.

Data isn't trolling, it's just data.
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calinative umstudent said:
lol using averages to talk about Edge/LB is dumb. 34 DEs are going to be far bigger than 43 EDGEs. MLB/Sams are going to be heavier than Will LBs. And if they are actually 34 lb they definitely going to be bigger than off ball lbs

The top lbs in the draft:
Payton Wilson 233
Edgerrrin Cooper 230
Junior Colson 238
Marist Liufao 234
Trevon Wallace 237
Tommy Eochenberg 233
Jordan Magee 228
Cedric Gray 234

Hmm tough for that to average above 238lbs lol. The average you’re providing is at least 10lbs over average.

And trust me the same thing will be true at edge

So again you’re using us being to small basically entirely based on Jacolby George. Who already was one of the best producing WRs in the ACC last year
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So I can see where this is headed.... you're a fan, and in your fandom you want to believe that Miami is flawless, and anything anyone points out to the contrary you're just going to rationalize away. I'm not interested in playing those games. I gave you the stats, you can take it or leave it, and in your case you choose to leave it.

All good, man. I get it, kool aid is fun and don't let me stop you from saying 15-0 all day every day. Frankly that's what a fan is supposed to do. I'm just pointing out what the numbers say. I think we're a good team, a 10 win team, with a great QB and a good supporting cast and that can take us a long way, especially in the ACC.

But do I think we're perfect? No. I think Mario is bringing in those body types though. The LBs he's recruiting now, and the ones he brought in have that NFL frame. Same with the DEs. WRs. JoJo Trader has that frame. But what I've listed are the projected starters which are carryovers from the transition and transfers. We're eventually leveling up from the Jacolby George types to the JoJo Trader types. But not yet.

We're building toward something, and we're not there yet. A lot of our players with the most potential are the freshman and sophomores Mario brought in, but some of the kids from the transition class and some of the transfers are a little less athletic than what we'll see in future years once those kids develop. DE, LB, and WR are developmental areas. That's how I see it.
 
RightSaidFred said:
So I can see where this is headed.... you're a fan, and in your fandom you want to believe that Miami is flawless, and anything anyone points out to the contrary you're just going to rationalize away. I'm not interested in playing those games. I gave you the stats, you can take it or leave it, and in your case you choose to leave it.

All good, man. I get it, kool aid is fun and don't let me stop you from saying 15-0 all day every day. Frankly that's what a fan is supposed to do. I'm just pointing out what the numbers say. I think we're a good team, a 10 win team, with a great QB and a good supporting cast and that can take us a long way, especially in the ACC.

But do I think we're perfect? No. I think Mario is bringing in those body types though. The LBs he's recruiting now, and the ones he brought in have that NFL frame. Same with the DEs. WRs. JoJo Trader has that frame. But what I've listed are the projected starters which are carryovers from the transition and transfers. We're eventually leveling up from the Jacolby George types to the JoJo Trader types. But not yet.

We're building toward something, and we're not there yet. A lot of our players with the most potential are the freshman and sophomores Mario brought in, but some of the kids from the transition class and some of the transfers are a little less athletic than what we'll see in future years once those kids develop. DE, LB, and WR are developmental areas. That's how I see it.
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No I was pointing out your "stats" were complete *** because it was the lowest effort catch all averages possible. It is obvious to anyone with a brain an off-ball LB and an OLB 34 EDGE who is also attributed as a LB, and a 34DE and 43 DE are two VERY different things when it comes to desired size. Just saying they are "below average" is ******* stupid and shows a fundamental lack of knowledge of A) the stat and B) actual football. You are seeing it wrong, period. That is literally why I listed the actual NFL combine results for this yrs off-ball LBs. None of which were even above 238lbs. But here is the thing, if I included possible 34 OLbs in that weight average, of course it would be heavier than 238 lol. That should be ******* obvious, because 34 OLbs are playing on the LOS basically while off ball LBs aren't.

And again even if you were correct which you aren't, this "lack of size" is about 2-3 starters and heavy rotation players out of our likely top 30-40 contributors. And AGAIN the players you are pointing out have literal production stats that show clearly their lack of size to you isn't a hindrance. Like using George and Baron as you're examples of guys that are too small when they have both been productive is just a poor argument
 
RightSaidFred said:
Same answer as to the other guy...

These are average heights and weights from the combine:

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These are Miami's listed hts and weights:

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We're probably better than most ACC teams but there are guys like Jacolby George, Wesley Bissainthe and Tyler Baron who need to hit the squat rack if the numbers are right.
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You should compare to our opponents (UF and FSU) instead of NFL combine !
 
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calinative umstudent said:
No I was pointing out your "stats" were complete *** because it was the lowest effort catch all averages possible. It is obvious to anyone with a brain an off-ball LB and an OLB 34 EDGE who is also attributed as a LB, and a 34DE and 43 DE are two VERY different things when it comes to desired size. Just saying they are "below average" is ******* stupid and shows a fundamental lack of knowledge of A) the stat and B) actual football. You are seeing it wrong, period. That is literally why I listed the actual NFL combine results for this yrs off-ball LBs. None of which were even above 238lbs. But here is the thing, if I included possible 34 OLbs in that weight average, of course it would be heavier than 238 lol. That should be ******* obvious, because 34 OLbs are playing on the LOS basically while off ball LBs aren't.

And again even if you were correct which you aren't, this "lack of size" is about 2-3 starters and heavy rotation players out of our likely top 30-40 contributors. And AGAIN the players you are pointing out have literal production stats that show clearly their lack of size to you isn't a hindrance. Like using George and Baron as you're examples of guys that are too small when they have both been productive is just a poor argument
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I'm gonna do something that rarely happens on this board and admit defeat. I think you're right, I wasn't looking at it that way but makes total sense.
 
Novacane32000 said:
You should compare to our opponents (UF and FSU) instead of NFL combine !
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So I had to take my "L", I was mistaken and yes I did just use a dumb average instead of actually taking a second to think about it.

I won't do the comparison against our oppenents, but I'll throw this random piece of candy out there just for fun and because it reinforces Cali's point.


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RightSaidFred said:
I don't know. We'll be improved no doubt, but I still think we have a ways to go. I mean I think we win 10 games, but a naysayer might point out....

Our LBs are way too light in the ***. We're massively undersized there and that might hurt us in the run defense and taking on OL especially late in the season and late in games

Our DEs are talented but undersized somewhat

Our WR are too skinny. Every one of them are about 10 to 15 lbs too light so we might struggle getting off the line and struggle in the red zone and contested catch situations

I love our transfers and I like the guys we have but we're still a skinny team except for the OL, which by comparison is massive.

Also we struggled a lot with things like communication and just understanding assignments and calls last year, and it cost us games. The difference in the FSU game last year was a BS non-call on a safety and about 6 or 7 miscommunications/missed assignments on the OL and on defense.

Finally, we still commit too many dumb penalties.

So basically what I'm saying is this team has potential to be very good but whether they actually are or not depends on how hard they work this offseason. I'm hoping that our team culture is strong enough this year that the team is dialed in and getting after it now hard.
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