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PFSN Rankings rates Miami's Offensive Line 10th in Nation? This is why PFSN Rankings loses credibility.

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Our @PFSNcollege highest-graded offensive lines this season:
1) Texas A&M: 95.2
2) Ohio State: 92.1
3) Utah: 91.1
4) Arkansas: 90.5
4) Oregon: 90.5
6) Michigan: 89.1
7) USC: 88.6
8) Baylor: 88.2
9) Notre Dame: 88.1
10) Miami (FL): 88.0
11) Arizona State: 87.9
12) Virginia: 87.6
13) Cincinnati: 87.1
14) Arizona: 86.5
15) Missouri: 86.3
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Penalties weigh very heavy in the pff score.

All of our pre-snap stuff is why they’re scoring us #10 and not higher
 
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CreativeCane said:
Well they also gave Castellanos (25/45, 272, 2/2) a better score than Beck (20/27, 241, 4/0) last weekend when it was so clear who had the monster game and who was racking up garbage time points.
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Are you suggesting the guy who essentially won the game from an offensive perspective should have gotten a higher score than the dude who essentially lost the game from an offensive perspective?
 
JHallCanes said:
I’ve really never fully understood PFF OL grades

They’ll tell me there’s no pressures when there’s clearly pressures

We’ve had a **** ton of pre snap penalties

People here think Bell is a first rounder but his grades aren’t very good

I’m not saying they’re worthless I just gave up on them a long time ago. If you want to see how our OL is doing just read @Lance Roffers breakdowns (today better be the day!)
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JHallCanes said:
I’ve really never fully understood PFF OL grades

They’ll tell me there’s no pressures when there’s clearly pressures

We’ve had a **** ton of pre snap penalties

People here think Bell is a first rounder but his grades aren’t very good

I’m not saying they’re worthless I just gave up on them a long time ago. If you want to see how our OL is doing just read @Lance Roffers breakdowns (today better be the day!)
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If penalties are factored in then the ranking makes sense to me.
 
JHallCanes said:
Appreciate that

Over the years I’ve seen our OLs be pure dog**** and PFF has loved us. I’ve seen us do well and it seems they don’t

I finally just gave up (though I definitely appreciate and use your grades threads as part of the puzzle)
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The full on grades aren't as important as the stats are or the other things PFF offers programs (which is why they all subscribe). But its like in general it's a better indicator than not. And obviously some position a are simply better for the grading standpoint. But it's not like all grades are meant to be predictive and ****.

The try their best to judge of it was a successful play by the player or not. But what is always funny to me is when fans discredit pff as if THEY went into every single play of the game specifically looking at each individual player on the play O+D and kept track and had some substantially different grade. No, what really happens is us fans generally watch and notice the plays that are likely graded -1/+1 or more by pff, we don't notice all the plays where they generally did their job or slightly didn't block the person as well as you'd have liked but it didn't really effect much.... Its much more vibes based. It's just answering how well did this player do vs what we think an average player would have basically.

View it like this though, when our coaches grade our own players they know the plays and assignment and what they coach the players to do. So they can see the general outliers or where the strengths/weaknesses are. But think about this - If our coaches are watching film on OTHER players, they don't generally KNOW the assignment and what they are coached to do... Why is PFF substantially all that different than opposing coaches grading other players to find their weaknesses/strengths? Like some coaches will watch film on an opponent and may get a completely different read than other coaches. But imo the more and more data there is, generally it is going to be directionally correct.

Generally if off has a guy consistently getting elite 90 grades, it means something.
 
Calinative said:
The full on grades aren't as important as the stats are or the other things PFF offers programs (which is why they all subscribe). But its like in general it's a better indicator than not. And obviously some position a are simply better for the grading standpoint. But it's not like all grades are meant to be predictive and ****.

The try their best to judge of it was a successful play by the player or not. But what is always funny to me is when fans discredit pff as if THEY went into every single play of the game specifically looking at each individual player on the play O+D and kept track and had some substantially different grade. No, what really happens is us fans generally watch and notice the plays that are likely graded -1/+1 or more by pff, we don't notice all the plays where they generally did their job or slightly didn't block the person as well as you'd have liked but it didn't really effect much.... Its much more vibes based. It's just answering how well did this player do vs what we think an average player would have basically.

View it like this though, when our coaches grade our own players they know the plays and assignment and what they coach the players to do. So they can see the general outliers or where the strengths/weaknesses are. But think about this - If our coaches are watching film on OTHER players, they don't generally KNOW the assignment and what they are coached to do... Why is PFF substantially all that different than opposing coaches grading other players to find their weaknesses/strengths? Like some coaches will watch film on an opponent and may get a completely different read than other coaches. But imo the more and more data there is, generally it is going to be directionally correct.

Generally if off has a guy consistently getting elite 90 grades, it means something.
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Yes to be dismissive of PFF is ridiculous

I like that it in general gets you in the ballpark quickly

A guy like Bain no one needs PFF to tell you he’s having a monster season

to me Bell gets better every week basically since he’s been here and PFF backs that up
 
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ALLoverCANE said:
Our run blocking has not been as good as our pass blocking. I'd have us a bit higher, but that's what's holding us back.
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I'd say running the same plays over and over into the A and B gaps and into stacked lines at times doesn't help run blocking much...we have Zero imagination in the run game...
 
Cajuncane said:
I'd say running the same plays over and over into the A and B gaps and into stacked lines at times doesn't help run blocking much...we have Zero imagination in the run game...
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So our elite OL coaches just let Dawson keep running it up the gut at the expense of our run blocking grades? That seem like a Mario thing to do?
 
Gi0logy said:
I view PFF grades directionally, not literally.

For me, the point isn’t whether a unit is ranked 21st or 18th, it’s that they’re a top-25 group. And same goes for players...being in the top 10 speaks more to me than whether they’re 8th or 3rd.

And even then, I always take it with a grain of salt understanding there's some bias in this often.
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This is the way! Bucketing is the right strategy. Whether we are 10th or 4th or 19th is splitting hairs, all that matters is we are a Tier 1 offensive line.
 
JHallCanes said:
I’ve really never fully understood PFF OL grades

They’ll tell me there’s no pressures when there’s clearly pressures

We’ve had a **** ton of pre snap penalties

People here think Bell is a first rounder but his grades aren’t very good

I’m not saying they’re worthless I just gave up on them a long time ago. If you want to see how our OL is doing just read @Lance Roffers breakdowns (today better be the day!)
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Penalties are huge negatives in the PFF grades
 
SouthernM said:
Not surprised who have the teams in front of us played? I don't believe they adjust for competition level and we have played the toughest schedule by far in this group. If anything it's more impressive that we're still in the top 10.
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This is why having our numbers look average means we are doing great. Remember, going into our game FSU had the #1 O in the country. Why? Because they padded stats. We've played one cupcake, and 4 good/talented teams. No one else in the country can say that.

Now, as their schedules get harder, ours gets easier, and our numbers will rocket up.
 
PFF has us with T7th best Pass Blocking Grade and 12th best Run Block grade in the country. Relevant teams:

Oregon: 1st Pass Block, 38th Run Block
Utah: 5th Pass Block, 52nd Run Block
Iowa: T7th Pass Block, 1st Run Block
Nebraska: 9th Pass Block, 33rd Run Block
Bama: 10th Pass Block, 74th Run Block
Indiana: 12th Pass Block, 3rd Run Block
UTenn: 13th Pass Block, 100 Run Block
Texas Tech: 15th Pass Block, 37th Run Block
BYU: 31st Pass Block, 5th Run Block
Ohio St: 36th Pass Block, 6th Run Block

So like only better team at both thus far by PFF is Iowa. However that’s whole blocking not just Oline… and who knows how much different grades are weighted due to total plays of each blocking type. But seems pretty well graded to me
 
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They don’t grade on a curve when competition is elite, so a team that’s played only top 25 comp should have lower grades.

Or I made that all up
 
Presnap penalties probably. Our lines gotta be up there
 
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