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PFF Grades-how accurate are they?

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Patreek said:
The NFL pays for their information about snap counts etc... can you show any team that paid for their ratings?

I’m genuinely unaware of any professional team paying for their ratings.
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The NFL is starting to use AI to figure out how much it should actually pay players, and early data shows one position is more at risk for a pay cut than others

Pro Football Focus, a football analytics company, is using algorithms to project what an NFL player's value is.
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You could dig deeper if you like...before Collinsworth invested, teams were already paying for PFF.

Whatever algorithm they use is some sort of collection of their data. NFL and college teams use a lot of their data to begin with...what they do with certain numbers is kind of irrelevant. Maybe those numbers curated by the algorithm are nonsense and no one uses them...but they are there, and teams use a ton of other numbers.

If they were just using snapcount numbers, I don't think they'd work with or care about PFF specifically. You could have gotten those from stats, inc or whatever other source they were using before PFF existed.
 
BS85 said:
Don't ask Brock for help in that dilemma fyi
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I can ask him what kind of ketchup to put on my pizza.

Just messing with you, Brock. At least you didn't catch swine flu, or get attacked by a bear.
 
They are simply stats that don't consider the defenders opponents quality. Zuniga is probably playing in the nfl soon and Nelson did okay against a top talent. It will help Nelson improve, I also thought that on some plays Zuniga either got off before the snap or was darned close becasue Nelson was waiting for the snap and Zuniga was already in the back field.
 
Sabetta said:
This isnt true at all. They don’t have the call sheet but an outside zone is an outside zone, a ZR, RPO, smash concepts are all the same packaged differently. Do you think they grade in a vacuum? Jesus people are really talking out of their a$$holes more than usual today
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That’s coming from NFL scouts that I talk to, as mentioned above teams will subscribe for some of their raw data but don’t use their ratings, they all have their own analytics departments. They’re generally in the right ballpark but if you’re not on the team or staff then you can’t possibly know exactly what each guy is supposed to do and this “grade” with complete accuracy
 
apfenny3 said:
That’s coming from NFL scouts that I talk to, as mentioned above teams will subscribe for some of their raw data but don’t use their ratings, they all have their own analytics departments. They’re generally in the right ballpark but if you’re not on the team or staff then you can’t possibly know exactly what each guy is supposed to do and this “grade” with complete accuracy
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Most teams have their own analytic departments at this point. My best friend is the HC at one of the top D3 schools in the country and they have an “analytics staff”
My point was more of theyre not just throwing numbers against the wall. Their reputation would be ruined otherwise. Plus, given that we were the only teams playing I’d guarantee we got extra eyes in the tape.
 
BoxingRobes said:
www.businessinsider.com

The NFL is starting to use AI to figure out how much it should actually pay players, and early data shows one position is more at risk for a pay cut than others

Pro Football Focus, a football analytics company, is using algorithms to project what an NFL player's value is.
www.businessinsider.com www.businessinsider.com

You could dig deeper if you like...before Collinsworth invested, teams were already paying for PFF.

Whatever algorithm they use is some sort of collection of their data. NFL and college teams use a lot of their data to begin with...what they do with certain numbers is kind of irrelevant. Maybe those numbers curated by the algorithm are nonsense and no one uses them...but they are there, and teams use a ton of other numbers.

If they were just using snapcount numbers, I don't think they'd work with or care about PFF specifically. You could have gotten those from stats, inc or whatever other source they were using before PFF existed.
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The article does not appear to claim any team pays for their player ratings.

I’m not arguing this further than this post as I’ve seen it countless times. Nothing personal.

The assumption countless people make that because some (maybe all) teams use some PFF services/data doesn’t mean all teams believe having an outside “analyst” in Bangladesh (true story) grading players without knowing the play call is useful. Chip Kelly for example thinks it’s a laughingstock. The analysis side is far from perfect because it lacks a very very important part of the equation - the play call and assignments for all players involved.



Is it better than my analysis?

Absolutely.

Is it better than the coaching staff of a college team or professional team going over film?

Highly unlikely in my opinion.
 
Patreek said:
The article does not appear to claim any team pays for their player ratings.

I’m not arguing this further than this post as I’ve seen it countless times. Nothing personal.

The assumption countless people make that because some (maybe all) teams use some PFF services doesn’t mean all teams believe having an outside “analyst” in Bangladesh (true story) grading players without knowing the play call is useful. Chip Kelly for example thinks it’s a laughingstock. The analysis side is far from perfect because it lacks a very very important part of the equation - the play call and assignments for all players involved.



Is it better than my analysis?

Absolutely.

Is it better than the coaching staff of a college team or professional team going over film?

Highly unlikely in my opinion.
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It is a premium service and the NFL "uses" it...I guess I don't assume they use them for free. Numerous articles on the same topic claim they use them in some sort of consulting role...the latest just being for some sort of understanding of a players value against their cap number. None of which - again, I assume - comes for free.

They have generally kept their numbers proprietary for a reason and its also why - as they grow and the complexity of what they do grows - they have constantly adjusted their pricing model for at least the GenPop.

Here is the page where they tell you they are selling their **** to teams.

PFF Team Services

www.pff.com www.pff.com
 
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