Per this board's standards, here's another "not a real fan"

[tokengator]

I never thought I'd see the day when a coach was bigger than the Miami program.

It isnt even about the coach. McCarthy's comments without the spin put on it here are nothing but a former player saying something that is pretty innocent. Its brought here and it becomes slurpers vs mopes. The evidence is in the thread title.

my comment wasn't about his statements, it is more an observation of everything that has been going on here the last few weeks. What really tipped it over was the guy bashing a former player...a player that put a lot of sweat, work, blood, and personal well being (body) for this program and do his best to help provide entertainment for the fans. All that for some ****** to say "what did he ever do here". It is pretty disgusting. People are taking shots at former players all to protect a coach. A coach that, frankly, hasn't done a **** thing worthy of being given the benefit of doubt.

I agree with that. There was no reason to be attacking McCarthy about his statement. He was an excellent player that worked his *** off for the program. Even if he did say something against Golden, that's no reason to pretend he wasn't a good player or to attack him. However, on the flipside, it's pretty pathetic that some are trying to pretend that his statement in any way supports their views, given that Colin would likely never be cheering for a UM loss as they are.

People are passionate. People want the best for their program. These people see someone destroying the program and i think the anger gets turned up a notch when they see illogical defenses of the source of this destruction. There are many but to give one example..people say the coach needs to stick around for recruiting. Firing him would destroy the recruiting class. This defies all reality. When has a recruiting, anywhere, been destroyed by a coach being fired? A few recruits bolting does not equate to a class being destroyed. It also takes a little pain to get some gain. Is it worth losing a few recruits to have better hope in the program? But back to the main point about losing recruits...typically when a coach is fired the only recruits that bolt is out of state recruits. Out of state recruits, generally speaking, come schools because of the coach. The coach sells the kid on the program. In state kids, in general, commit to a program and not really the coach. Of course there is some crossover. Kids are, generally speaking, not going to commit to a program if they feel a coach is destroying the program. So losing and ****** on field performance does a **** more damage to recruiting than coach being bashed on the internet or rumors of a coach on a hotseat. I can speak from experience...our offense has been horrendous going on 4 years now. Our offense recruiting has been and continues to be hurt tremendously. I can't tell you how many times a recruit has basically said they love the program but they need to see more from the offense. ultimately deciding on going somewhere else because the offense showed nothing. Firing our old OC gave us a little bump to close out our recruiting class because kids that liked the program were able to rationalize the decision of going where they wanted to go and their biggest concern no longer applied since the coach was out of the picture.

I get the anger a lot of people had. I am pretty angry with our coaching staff as well but am willing to give him this year because he recognized a problem and attempted to fix it. That is not analogous to what is going on here in miami. In the case of many of the posters I would be right there with them and their pitch forks. Nothing...nothing...is more dangerous to a program than a ****** product. Even USC can compete with 50 scholarships because they at least are not throwing a ****** product out there. Their AD recognized that Lane was going down the ****** product path, fired him, and luckily for him Orgeron put a decent product on the field and they were able to maintain some recruiting momentum. It would have fallen apart had lane stayed and would have gotten progressively worse every year he stayed.

 

[cowboycane]

The problem with McCarthy's statement is this: this team ISN'T good enough to just blow this team out. It's a stupid tweet. He should know that, because the teams HE played on here weren't good enough to blow the Houstons, Marshalls and FIUs of the world out.

I don't think he is a fake fan, I agree with the general sentiment that we should be better than this and Al is doing a ****** job, but the reality is we aren't...and he doesn't have much weight to throw around with this kind of talk because all of his teams pulled the same crap too.

 

[RiDLer80]

I never thought I'd see the day when a coach was bigger than the Miami program.

You must have missed the dozens of people on this board ready to get down on their knees and take a hot load down the throat from Butch Davis if he agrees to come back and be the head coach.

You're missing the ******* point.

People on this board would rather trash current and former players than say a bad word about Golden.

How does people wanting Butch to come back and build something equate to posters ****ting on former players to protect Golden?

 

[CANE4LIFE]

This whole thread is silly and people are spinning it way out of context to support their views. All the dude implied was that UM should easily beat teams like Ark State and that its not a team that UM should be that worried about.

I don't think he was implying that the staff should be running around saying "this game is a joke". I really don't get what the big deal here is either way.

 

[TheCaneShow]

Dude was on the only Miami team with a losing record in the last 35 years.

Needs to put the keyboard down.

 

[Joecane]

LOL at Toke just owning this thread. Golden-like performance from the slurpers.

 

[Joecane]

Dude was on the only Miami team with a losing record in the last 35 years.

Needs to put the keyboard down.

Wrong. Guess you're not a real fan either.

 

[CANE4LIFE]

I never thought I'd see the day when a coach was bigger than the Miami program.

You must have missed the dozens of people on this board ready to get down on their knees and take a hot load down the throat from Butch Davis if he agrees to come back and be the head coach.

You're missing the ****ing point.

People on this board would rather trash current and former players than say a bad word about Golden.

How does people wanting Butch to come back and build something equate to posters ****ting on former players to protect Golden?

MEH. I don't think the slaps at McCarthy were meant to defend Golden so much as to suggest that it wasn't exactly like the teams McCarthy was on lit it up either. I mean its one thing if Ray Lewis is making comments, or Portis or Ed Reed. And I think it was meant more in terms of IF it had been a criticism of the TEAM, not the staff. Which I don't think it was EITHER. It was just an innocuous comment that I don't think was meant to be critical or insulting.

I don't agree with anyone bashing McCarthy, but I didn't see the smart *** comments as being in defense of Golden, so much as saying, "that's great, but what did you guys do". Sort of like the Pot calling the Kettle black.

 

[fincane]

I never thought I'd see the day when a coach was bigger than the Miami program.

You must have missed the dozens of people on this board ready to get down on their knees and take a hot load down the throat from Butch Davis if he agrees to come back and be the head coach.

You're missing the ****ing point.

People on this board would rather trash current and former players than say a bad word about Golden.

How does people wanting Butch to come back and build something equate to posters ****ting on former players to protect Golden?

How did the original post that got everyone up in arms defend Golden? I don't believe Golden was mentioned. It could easily be said that he was defending the current team. McCarthy didn't mention Golden. This turned into a Golden thread out of nothing.

 

[dk72]

I never thought I'd see the day when a coach was bigger than the Miami program.

It isnt even about the coach. McCarthy's comments without the spin put on it here are nothing but a former player saying something that is pretty innocent. Its brought here and it becomes slurpers vs mopes. The evidence is in the thread title.

my comment wasn't about his statements, it is more an observation of everything that has been going on here the last few weeks. What really tipped it over was the guy bashing a former player...a player that put a lot of sweat, work, blood, and personal well being (body) for this program and do his best to help provide entertainment for the fans. All that for some ****** to say "what did he ever do here". It is pretty disgusting. People are taking shots at former players all to protect a coach. A coach that, frankly, hasn't done a **** thing worthy of being given the benefit of doubt.

I agree with that. There was no reason to be attacking McCarthy about his statement. He was an excellent player that worked his *** off for the program. Even if he did say something against Golden, that's no reason to pretend he wasn't a good player or to attack him. However, on the flipside, it's pretty pathetic that some are trying to pretend that his statement in any way supports their views, given that Colin would likely never be cheering for a UM loss as they are.

People are passionate. People want the best for their program. These people see someone destroying the program and i think the anger gets turned up a notch when they see illogical defenses of the source of this destruction. There are many but to give one example..people say the coach needs to stick around for recruiting. Firing him would destroy the recruiting class. This defies all reality. When has a recruiting, anywhere, been destroyed by a coach being fired? A few recruits bolting does not equate to a class being destroyed. It also takes a little pain to get some gain. Is it worth losing a few recruits to have better hope in the program? But back to the main point about losing recruits...typically when a coach is fired the only recruits that bolt is out of state recruits. Out of state recruits, generally speaking, come schools because of the coach. The coach sells the kid on the program. In state kids, in general, commit to a program and not really the coach. Of course there is some crossover. Kids are, generally speaking, not going to commit to a program if they feel a coach is destroying the program. So losing and ****** on field performance does a **** more damage to recruiting than coach being bashed on the internet or rumors of a coach on a hotseat. I can speak from experience...our offense has been horrendous going on 4 years now. Our offense recruiting has been and continues to be hurt tremendously. I can't tell you how many times a recruit has basically said they love the program but they need to see more from the offense. ultimately deciding on going somewhere else because the offense showed nothing. Firing our old OC gave us a little bump to close out our recruiting class because kids that liked the program were able to rationalize the decision of going where they wanted to go and their biggest concern no longer applied since the coach was out of the picture.

I get the anger a lot of people had. I am pretty angry with our coaching staff as well but am willing to give him this year because he recognized a problem and attempted to fix it. That is not analogous to what is going on here in miami. In the case of many of the posters I would be right there with them and their pitch forks. Nothing...nothing...is more dangerous to a program than a ****** product. Even USC can compete with 50 scholarships because they at least are not throwing a ****** product out there. Their AD recognized that Lane was going down the ****** product path, fired him, and luckily for him Orgeron put a decent product on the field and they were able to maintain some recruiting momentum. It would have fallen apart had lane stayed and would have gotten progressively worse every year he stayed.

Regardless of how much anyone wants to neg me or call me a "slurper", I simply disagree that he needs to go "right now." Going "right now" would not help the program in any way whatsoever compared to waiting for the end of the year if he doesn't right the ship. It would create a much more tense, negative atmosphere, a much more dramatic scenario, and YES, it would make the difference to a number of recruits who would be turned off by the whole thing. We certainly wouldn't start winning more games the rest of the season, so you can't say that "watching us lose" would turn off more recruits if we kept him through the year. Additionally, flying banners during a major rivalry game with recruits in attendance is asinine. It accomplishes nothing positive (if he's going to get fired, he's going to get fired with or without a banner), while creating an embarrassment. Don't think that Mullen's mother is the only parent of top recruits that think the fan reactions are ridiculous and embarrassing.

 

[tokengator]

Lol ToRk is a bigger Canes fan than 90% of the mouth breathers on this board.

Probably. He just stated that he doesn't root for Miami to lose.

i've posting with posters on this and other board for 10 (maybe more) years. I am also friends, off the board, with several posters. If i had true hate for the miami program it would show through and be impossible to suppress over that long of a time. I think the people that have been around me for most or all that time can attest that i have never displayed any hatred toward the program. Sure I may talk trash or there, but that is just a little needling for fun. I had some very good times and memories from spending time in CG, so I can't hate something that provided me a lot of entertainment, fun, and *****.

 

[ghost2]

Toke's a quality poster and this thread serves no purpose.