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[mirvin88]

great news

return of thug u

we need guys like this if we are going to win a title

we need to go get those two linebackers back who we kicked off the team last year

Are you referring to JaWand Blue and Alex Figueroa? Seriously? They both admitted to police they drugged and raped an underage girl inside a UM dorm.

Damnit it mane I miss Figs

 

[mirvin88]

great news

return of thug u

we need guys like this if we are going to win a title

we need to go get those two linebackers back who we kicked off the team last year

Are you referring to JaWand Blue and Alex Figueroa? Seriously? They both admitted to police they drugged and raped an underage girl inside a UM dorm.

No they didn't.

Yes, they did. They admitted getting the underage girl intoxicated such that she was unable to resist. They were able to plea down to sexual battery and served 100 hours community service in a ***-offender program. The prosecution agreed to the deal after the victim chose not to testify. In today's victim-shaming culture who could blame her.

Ex-UM players in campus rape case allowed to enter program for first-time offenders | Miami Herald

You may call this being 'innocent', but neither player is the type of players The U needs.

Period.

Sounds like she drunkenly agreed to a threesome and felt ashamed later on. Smells like BS

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Yes, they did. They admitted getting the underage girl intoxicated such that she was unable to resist. They were able to plea down to sexual battery and served 100 hours community service in a ***-offender program. The prosecution agreed to the deal after the victim chose not to testify. In today's victim-shaming culture who could blame her.

Ex-UM players in campus rape case allowed to enter program for first-time offenders | Miami Herald

You may call this being 'innocent', but neither player is the type of players The U needs.

Period.

They didn't "plea down" because they didn't even take a plea at all. They entered into a diversion program, which in Miami-Dade does not require an admission of guilt/entering of a plea.

You are gullible if you believe that the State offered PTI in a rape case, with a confession, all because the AV didn't want to testify. That might be true if this were a DV case where the evidence consisted of only the AV's word against the defendant's word. If the confession was truly a confession, the State would sleepwalk their way to a conviction, with or without the AV.

You may not have a good grasp on the criminal justice system or criminal law, but seeing as there is no conviction on their records, these men never lost the presumption of innocence. So yes, they are "innocent" of any crime they were accused of.

Period.

You may call it whatever you like Barrister. My point is neither player has the character that should be required to play for The U.

Case closed.

Your "point" makes no sense whatsoever, considering what was discussed above. What "character" is Blue and Figueroa lacking by merely being accused of a crime? Are you actually attempting to argue that being accused of a crime = bad person/character?

Come on man . You dont take a diversion class unless you did something but pretty much dont want to come out and say you actually did it. If you didnt do anything , theres no reason to take a diversion class and do community service. You would just plead not guilty

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

 

[mirvin88]

McGahee is killin y'all

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

return of thug u

we need guys like this if we are going to win a title

we need to go get those two linebackers back who we kicked off the team last year

Are you referring to JaWand Blue and Alex Figueroa? Seriously? They both admitted to police they drugged and raped an underage girl inside a UM dorm.

No they didn't.

Yes, they did. They admitted getting the underage girl intoxicated such that she was unable to resist. They were able to plea down to sexual battery and served 100 hours community service in a ***-offender program. The prosecution agreed to the deal after the victim chose not to testify. In today's victim-shaming culture who could blame her.

Ex-UM players in campus rape case allowed to enter program for first-time offenders | Miami Herald

You may call this being 'innocent', but neither player is the type of players The U needs.

Period.

Sounds like she drunkenly agreed to a threesome and felt ashamed later on. Smells like BS

Most likely. And then UM/Shalala, scared of their own shadow as usual, told them to go to the police (i.e. the "confession") rather than giving them the proper advice, i.e. to lawyer up.

 

[jjacks93]

C

They didn't "plea down" because they didn't even take a plea at all. They entered into a diversion program, which in Miami-Dade does not require an admission of guilt/entering of a plea.

You are gullible if you believe that the State offered PTI in a rape case, with a confession, all because the AV didn't want to testify. That might be true if this were a DV case where the evidence consisted of only the AV's word against the defendant's word. If the confession was truly a confession, the State would sleepwalk their way to a conviction, with or without the AV.

You may not have a good grasp on the criminal justice system or criminal law, but seeing as there is no conviction on their records, these men never lost the presumption of innocence. So yes, they are "innocent" of any crime they were accused of.

Period.

You may call it whatever you like Barrister. My point is neither player has the character that should be required to play for The U.

Case closed.

Your "point" makes no sense whatsoever, considering what was discussed above. What "character" is Blue and Figueroa lacking by merely being accused of a crime? Are you actually attempting to argue that being accused of a crime = bad person/character?

Come on man . You dont take a diversion class unless you did something but pretty much dont want to come out and say you actually did it. If you didnt do anything , theres no reason to take a diversion class and do community service. You would just plead not guilty

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

 

[MIAMIDOMINATION]

return of thug u

we need guys like this if we are going to win a title

we need to go get those two linebackers back who we kicked off the team last year

Are you referring to JaWand Blue and Alex Figueroa? Seriously? They both admitted to police they drugged and raped an underage girl inside a UM dorm.

No they didn't.

Yes, they did. They admitted getting the underage girl intoxicated such that she was unable to resist. They were able to plea down to sexual battery and served 100 hours community service in a ***-offender program. The prosecution agreed to the deal after the victim chose not to testify. In today's victim-shaming culture who could blame her.

Ex-UM players in campus rape case allowed to enter program for first-time offenders | Miami Herald

You may call this being 'innocent', but neither player is the type of players The U needs.

Period.

Sounds like she drunkenly agreed to a threesome and felt ashamed later on. Smells like BS

exactly

i cant even count how many times me and a buddy got drunk with a chick and then ran a train (and the girl initiated it)

girls get ****** when they drink

 

[The Franchise]

C

You may call it whatever you like Barrister. My point is neither player has the character that should be required to play for The U.

Case closed.

Your "point" makes no sense whatsoever, considering what was discussed above. What "character" is Blue and Figueroa lacking by merely being accused of a crime? Are you actually attempting to argue that being accused of a crime = bad person/character?

Come on man . You dont take a diversion class unless you did something but pretty much dont want to come out and say you actually did it. If you didnt do anything , theres no reason to take a diversion class and do community service. You would just plead not guilty

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

 

[jjacks93]

C

Your "point" makes no sense whatsoever, considering what was discussed above. What "character" is Blue and Figueroa lacking by merely being accused of a crime? Are you actually attempting to argue that being accused of a crime = bad person/character?

Come on man . You dont take a diversion class unless you did something but pretty much dont want to come out and say you actually did it. If you didnt do anything , theres no reason to take a diversion class and do community service. You would just plead not guilty

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

 

[westcoastcanes]

C

Come on man . You dont take a diversion class unless you did something but pretty much dont want to come out and say you actually did it. If you didnt do anything , theres no reason to take a diversion class and do community service. You would just plead not guilty

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

And yet, you keep suggesting they must be guilty because they did the diversion. No part of them taking a diversion means they are necessarily guilty of rape. You don't get it, and are presuming guilt.

 

[The Franchise]

C

Come on man . You dont take a diversion class unless you did something but pretty much dont want to come out and say you actually did it. If you didnt do anything , theres no reason to take a diversion class and do community service. You would just plead not guilty

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

Your anecdote involving your own guilt certainly proves that Blue and Figueroa were guilty of rape. I stand corrected.

 

[jjacks93]

C

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

Your anecdote involving your own guilt certainly proves that Blue and Figueroa were guilty of rape. I stand corrected.

but yal were so quick to call Jameis Winston guilty and still call him a racist but he never admitted to anything either. Care to explain that ? Take off the orange and green glasses. And if you read the article it clearly states that the only reason they were given the program anyways was because she declined to pursue the case further.

 

[jjacks93]

C

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

And yet, you keep suggesting they must be guilty because they did the diversion. No part of them taking a diversion means they are necessarily guilty of rape. You don't get it, and are presuming guilt.

Like yal presume guilt with Jameis Winston, even though he never admitted to anything and was never convicted?

 

[cflacane2]

Are you referring to JaWand Blue and Alex Figueroa? Seriously? They both admitted to police they drugged and raped an underage girl inside a UM dorm.

No they didn't.

Yes, they did. They admitted getting the underage girl intoxicated such that she was unable to resist. They were able to plea down to sexual battery and served 100 hours community service in a ***-offender program. The prosecution agreed to the deal after the victim chose not to testify. In today's victim-shaming culture who could blame her.

Ex-UM players in campus rape case allowed to enter program for first-time offenders | Miami Herald

You may call this being 'innocent', but neither player is the type of players The U needs.

Period.

Sounds like she drunkenly agreed to a threesome and felt ashamed later on. Smells like BS

girls get ****** when they drink

Sounds rapey.

 

[rt cane]

C

Why would you plead NG and risk losing at trial, when you could enroll in a diversion program and be guaranteed no conviction whatsoever as long as you complete the program successfully?

I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

Your anecdote involving your own guilt certainly proves that Blue and Figueroa were guilty of rape. I stand corrected.

**** Franchise, you are killing him. LOL.

 

[westcoastcanes]

C
I didn't disagree with what they did . I would have done the same thing. Im just saying stop acting like that doesn't still mean they're guilty.

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

Your anecdote involving your own guilt certainly proves that Blue and Figueroa were guilty of rape. I stand corrected.

but yal were so quick to call Jameis Winston guilty and still call him a racist but he never admitted to anything either. Care to explain that ? Take off the orange and green glasses. And if you read the article it clearly states that the only reason they were given the program anyways was because she declined to pursue the case further.

Yeah sure, go find my post where I say "He is taking diversion because he is guilty of raping a girl", and "Jameis Winston is a racist" and ill draft a response. Actually, go ahead and find those posts from everyone you quoted in this chain and we will get on it.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

Your anecdote involving your own guilt certainly proves that Blue and Figueroa were guilty of rape. I stand corrected.

but yal were so quick to call Jameis Winston guilty and still call him a racist but he never admitted to anything either. Care to explain that ? Take off the orange and green glasses. And if you read the article it clearly states that the only reason they were given the program anyways was because she declined to pursue the case further.

Yeah sure, go find my post where I say "He is taking diversion because he is guilty of raping a girl", and "Jameis Winston is a racist" and ill draft a response. Actually, go ahead and find those posts from everyone you quoted in this chain and we will get on it.

I don't ever recall saying that Jameis Winston was guilty nor recall posting on that topic here.

 

[jjacks93]

If you think it's as easy as "I didn't do anything so I'll be acquitted by a jury" then you have no clue about the legal system.

If you can get out of a jam without a conviction on your record, no jail time, and you don't wind up paying a lawyer thousands of dollars, then you won.

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

Your anecdote involving your own guilt certainly proves that Blue and Figueroa were guilty of rape. I stand corrected.

but yal were so quick to call Jameis Winston guilty and still call him a racist but he never admitted to anything either. Care to explain that ? Take off the orange and green glasses. And if you read the article it clearly states that the only reason they were given the program anyways was because she declined to pursue the case further.

Yeah sure, go find my post where I say "He is taking diversion because he is guilty of raping a girl", and "Jameis Winston is a racist" and ill draft a response. Actually, go ahead and find those posts from everyone you quoted in this chain and we will get on it.

Rapist* typo . And actually i wasnt even originally talking to you cuz, you just decided to hop in.

 

[jjacks93]

Aye man, can you read? I said i would have done the same thing, and in fact ive done it twice before . But that doesnt mean i wasnt guilty of what i did like dude is suggesting. It means i wanted to get out of a jam without a comviction on my record just like you said .

Your anecdote involving your own guilt certainly proves that Blue and Figueroa were guilty of rape. I stand corrected.

but yal were so quick to call Jameis Winston guilty and still call him a racist but he never admitted to anything either. Care to explain that ? Take off the orange and green glasses. And if you read the article it clearly states that the only reason they were given the program anyways was because she declined to pursue the case further.

Yeah sure, go find my post where I say "He is taking diversion because he is guilty of raping a girl", and "Jameis Winston is a racist" and ill draft a response. Actually, go ahead and find those posts from everyone you quoted in this chain and we will get on it.

I don't ever recall saying that Jameis Winston was guilty nor recall posting on that topic here.

did i mention you specifically? Many ppl on this board have said it and continue to call him a rapist, and then turn around and say theres no possibke way Figs or Blue may have been guilty.

 

[McGahee2TheHouse]

Your anecdote involving your own guilt certainly proves that Blue and Figueroa were guilty of rape. I stand corrected.

but yal were so quick to call Jameis Winston guilty and still call him a racist but he never admitted to anything either. Care to explain that ? Take off the orange and green glasses. And if you read the article it clearly states that the only reason they were given the program anyways was because she declined to pursue the case further.

Yeah sure, go find my post where I say "He is taking diversion because he is guilty of raping a girl", and "Jameis Winston is a racist" and ill draft a response. Actually, go ahead and find those posts from everyone you quoted in this chain and we will get on it.

I don't ever recall saying that Jameis Winston was guilty nor recall posting on that topic here.

did i mention you specifically? Many ppl on this board have said it and continue to call him a rapist, and then turn around and say theres no possibke way Figs or Blue may have been guilty.

No, you said "yal" which implied you were talking to me, westcoast, and Franchise.